The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

They literally stopped putting tenders in the store after the backlash they've received?????

The last bundle with tenders was added almost a year ago at this point, and there's been plenty of sets and bundles in the store since lmao. Plus, there were two bundles.

In fact, we've received more free extra Tenders than paid Tenders. (500 through the 12 Month achievement, which was hotfixed in afterwards, and 750 through Plunderstorm).

Yeah which was dumb as fuck, all the people who cried about the shop tenders just made getting stuff from the trading post worse for EVERYONE ELSE sind they didn't increase monthly gains at all hahahaha.

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People keep saying this, but you were never meant to buy out the entire store in a month. You can either buy 1 or 2 of the really expensive items, or 5 or so of the cheap items with the 1000 possible monthly tenders. That's never changed. All that's happened is they've increased the selection over time.

Generic roleplay transmogs: 50 tenders
Weapons & Armor 100-250 tenders
Pets: 500 tenders
Recolor ground mounts & 3 piece sets: 500 tenders
Recolor flying mounts & 4 piece sets: 650 tenders
Unique ground mounts: 650 tenders
Unique Flying mounts 800 tenders
Unique back transmogs & 5+ piece sets: 500-800 tenders

These price-points haven't changed since the trading post started.

Sure but you would have been able to buy more stuff if they kept the monthly store bundles, especially as they also included future things that you didn't have to buy with tenders than.

[Hitei]

They could probably bump the earnable tender from 500 to 1500 per month, for a total of 2k.

It's true that the individual per item cost has not changed much between TP launch and now, but the way that items are distributed in a month has changed significantly and it stretches the currency very thin.

For example, march '23 had:

-T17 Paladin Recolor
-Back piece
-Mail island transmog recolor
-old pet
-wotlk sword recolor
-new shield model
-new 2h sword model
-alt color of that 2h sword model
-pirate hate
-black cloak 1
-black cloak 2
-gnomish offhand
-new shirt
-modified T19 cloak

To get all of the new things from that month, not including the second color of the 2h sword, was 975 tender. 1025 if you include the modified cloak.

May '24 had:

-new pet
-mount recolor
-tcg mount
-legion recolor cloves
-wotlk recolor cloak
-TP recolor boots
-red shoulder cape
-black shoulder cape
-brick sarong
-black long gloves
-black tabard
-brick cloak 1
-brick cloak 2
-two TP helm recolors
-WoD mace reoclor
-new off-hand
-new 2h sword model
-new 1h axe
-new dagger
-new polearm
-new bow
-new staff


To get all of the new things from that month you would have needed 2175 tender. 2825 if you want the new versions of the TP cloaks, shoulder capes, etc. This month just the new stuff costs 2660.

While prices in isolation haven't changed, in the first half a year of trading post it was a simple matter to buy out all of the new stuff and then have the relatively painless and interesting choice of "do I want all the new stuff, or some new stuff and some recolors of old gear I might like". In the first half of this year, it's largely become "GG, you can't afford even half of the new things". If you're like me, most months 400-500 tender is just immediately lost on the typical monthly new additions to the two cloak sets/shoulder capes to allow for expanded transmog options across characters. So already even buying a single additional mount, or transmog set is out the window. Comparing the "you can't afford everything" of the old trading post and the "you can't afford everything" of the last few trading posts is highly disenegous.

"Here's a new mount, a new transmog set, and a new back transmog item, pick one thing, btw you won't have enough tender left over to even pick up a fraction of the misc recolors or single items" is not a good amount of friction. Buying it next time it shows up, or the freeze capability don't offer any real relief, because those things are still gonna be 800 tender then, and completely block you from purchasing (very literally) 90%+ of whatever that month's stuff is.

[Aucald]

This thread is not about the Trading Post, the Trading Post's tender currency system, or the WoW Token system - it is about speculation of future content patches and expansions, like the upcoming Worldsoul Saga trilogy. Let's pivot away from discussing irrelevant topics like the Trading Post and return to discussing and speculating about future content in WoW.

[Jolly Roger]

How did Blizzcon pay your sub for 4 years?

there was an OW dev handing out codes for one year subs
me and my GF got some and so did my friends who dont even play WoW

all because we wore basic ass cosplay outfits

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there was an OW dev handing out codes for one year subs
me and my GF got some and so did my friends who dont even play WoW

all because we wore basic ass cosplay outfits

answering questions is more unconstructive than talking about year old bundles
also somehow spam....nice

im wondering if first patch will have the void or the light incursion via the arathi empire

[milkmustache]

im wondering if first patch will have the void or the light incursion via the arathi empire

In what way? Like the Arathi Empire manages to regain contact with the Hallowfall Expedition and we see a massive influx of light faith soldiers?

[Jolly Roger]

In what way? Like the Arathi Empire manages to regain contact with the Hallowfall Expedition and we see a massive influx of light faith soldiers?

the radiant song calls and another expedition led by extremists

[Enrif]

the radiant song calls and another expedition led by extremists

That would be possible. If people all over Azeroth hear the Radiant Song. Then it could be for certain that also includes people of the Arathi Empire. And given the apparent difficulties to travel to and from there, they might arrive at the tail end of TWW, or during Midnight.

A giant Armada of a light worshipping empire. Would certainly fit into the Midnights "final confrontation between the void and the light" - And the renilash was already said to be important for the Arathi.

[Sondrelk]

So now that most of the pieces for 11.0 are in place and not changing. What do people reckon the expansion is going to look like?
My guess is still Rootlands with Goblins for 11.1, and across the Hallowfall ocean into the Silithus underground for 11.2.
Would love to hear more on what people think though.

[Zardas]

So now that most of the pieces for 11.0 are in place and not changing. What do people reckon the expansion is going to look like?
My guess is still Rootlands with Goblins for 11.1, and across the Hallowfall ocean into the Silithus underground for 11.2.
Would love to hear more on what people think though.

My bet is still on Undermine (even a part of it, with the whole city in the background) for 11.1 and rootland for 11.2.

[Sondrelk]

My bet is still on Undermine (even a part of it, with the whole city in the background) for 11.1 and rootland for 11.2.

How do you reckon this will lead into the whole black blood plot thread then? Rootlands being infected by them? Xal'atath stockpiling them for Midnight?

[Hitei]

How do you reckon this will lead into the whole black blood plot thread then? Rootlands being infected by them? Xal'atath stockpiling them for Midnight?

I can't imagine she'd need it when the void is already arrived and assaulting (in Midnight), so I'd guess she will use the blood at the start of 11.2 and that patch will be the confrontation attempting to stop her, which presumably will fail to some degree and allow for the void incursion.

[Ersula]

I can't imagine she'd need it when the void is already arrived and assaulting (in Midnight), so I'd guess she will use the blood at the start of 11.2 and that patch will be the confrontation attempting to stop her, which presumably will fail to some degree and allow for the void incursion.

are we assuming Xalatath is getting reinforcements? is there any reason we shouldn't assume when they say "the void" is attacking azeroth in Midnight, they don't just mean Xal? She is clearly representing the Void in this conflict and it seems like she has to make her own forces rather than just waiting for others to arrive.

[Nibelheimy]

Thinking again back to that chronicles art, with the 5th old god hiding amongst the roots on the border. I still feel that Xal'atath is hoarding old god blood in order to return herself to her original form somehow.

[Sondrelk]

are we assuming Xalatath is getting reinforcements? is there any reason we shouldn't assume when they say "the void" is attacking azeroth in Midnight, they don't just mean Xal? She is clearly representing the Void in this conflict and it seems like she has to make her own forces rather than just waiting for others to arrive.

Mostly it just seems like it would be a bit anticlimactic if the only major antagonist in Midnight is Xal'atath.
More likely it would be something like Legion, in that Gul'dan is the big face, with a large cadre of various named void NPCs. Maybe with the bigger names like Dimensius appearing later in the expansion.

We know the developers are pushing the "cosmic void" angle quite hard, so just having Midnight only use Xal'atath for that aesthetic seems unlikely.

[Santandame]

So now that most of the pieces for 11.0 are in place and not changing. What do people reckon the expansion is going to look like?
My guess is still Rootlands with Goblins for 11.1, and across the Hallowfall ocean into the Silithus underground for 11.2.
Would love to hear more on what people think though.

The War Within:

11.0 - Nerubian Palace
11.1 - Rootlands zone /w Undermine raid
11.1.5 - Beledar mega dungeon
11.2 - K’aresh zone with raid starting on K’aresh and ending at Azeroth’s core

Midnight:

12.0 - Zul’aman raid
12.1 - Azuremyst and Bloodmyst revamp with Yrel raid
12.1.5 - Stratholme or Scarlet Monastery mega dungeon
12.2 - Isle of Quel’danas with Sunwell raid.

[Cheezits]

K'aresh will probably not be TWW, it will be Midnight and serve as the Argus equivalent for the Void. The only thing tying Ethereals (beyond the raid boss) to TWW were the EtherealRaid icons that they updated to directly reflect 11.0 and match up exactly with the raid boss trinket drops.

It makes way more sense to build up Dimensius up to Midnight and then go to Karesh to kill him as opposed to dealing with both Xal and him and his HQ before the Void expansion. Xal will probably be "dealt with" in TWW (physical body destroyed?) in a way that lets them focus on more antagonists in Midnight, even if she persists as a spirit or a voice in Allerias head.

If the final patch isn't Rootlands it will probably be Underground Silithus or some other zone directly around the Worldsoul. What happens there leads to the attack on the Sunwell, which would get dealt with halfway through Midnight, segueing to closing up a rift to Karesh.

[Santandame]

K'aresh will probably not be TWW, it will be Midnight and serve as the Argus equivalent for the Void. The only thing tying Ethereals (beyond the raid boss) to TWW were the EtherealRaid icons that they updated to directly reflect 11.0 and match up exactly with the raid boss trinket drops.

It makes way more sense to build up Dimensius up to Midnight and then go to Karesh to kill him as opposed to dealing with both Xal and him and his HQ before the Void expansion. Xal will probably be "dealt with" in TWW (physical body destroyed?) in a way that lets them focus on more antagonists in Midnight, even if she persists as a spirit or a voice in Allerias head.

If the final patch isn't Rootlands it will probably be Underground Silithus or some other zone directly around the Worldsoul. What happens there leads to the attack on the Sunwell, which would get dealt with halfway through Midnight, segueing to closing up a rift to Karesh.

I still think Dimensius will be one of the central antagonists of Midnight, even if he shows up in a potential K’aresh raid in TWW. I’m pretty set in my belief that there will be a big reveal that Locus Walker is in fact Dimensius and has been manipulating and manoeuvring Alleria to reach this point.

To go off @Sondrelk from an earlier post - if we get a similar situation in Midnight to Legion with the Void, with a cast of big, known, Void affiliated characters appearing before us like the demons from the Broken Shore then I can see Dimensius in his Locus Walker form alongside Xal’atath flanked by possibly “memories” of the Azeroth Old Gods in more “human” forms as avatars, known void entities like Sethe from Draenor, the Void corrupted leader of the Amani, could even have the Void resurrect the likes of Cho’gall and Benedictus. Maybe this is even where Chomatus appears? Just go full fan service at this point, we all know the story is poor.

I previously thought Azshara would be a major fixture of Midnight but the more I think about it, the less I want her to appear as I don’t want her to play second fiddle to Dimensius and Xal’atath. She should be given a much larger, more prominent role where she either spearheads an entire expansion or she’s a reluctant ally over the course of several expansions culminating with her eventual betrayal.

[Joshuaj]

The War Within:

11.0 - Nerubian Palace
11.1 - Rootlands zone /w Undermine raid
11.1.5 - Beledar mega dungeon
11.2 - K’aresh zone with raid starting on K’aresh and ending at Azeroth’s core

Midnight:

12.0 - Zul’aman raid
12.1 - Azuremyst and Bloodmyst revamp with Yrel raid
12.1.5 - Stratholme or Scarlet Monastery mega dungeon
12.2 - Isle of Quel’danas with Sunwell raid.

Want me to keep it real?

12.0: Zul'Aman raid

12.1: Quel'danas and Sunwell Raid.

And 12.2: Light and Void cosmic raid with Dimensius as the last boss.

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I can't see Quel'danas serving as the final patch area for an expansion twice.

[Hitei]

are we assuming Xalatath is getting reinforcements? is there any reason we shouldn't assume when they say "the void" is attacking azeroth in Midnight, they don't just mean Xal? She is clearly representing the Void in this conflict and it seems like she has to make her own forces rather than just waiting for others to arrive.

Metzen seemed to be framing it as a confrontation on the level of what Legion was for the Burning Legion. I just assume that means that Midnight will be about Bastion or Mac'aree/Eredath style giant void rifts and actual void forces rather than Old God and Nerubian forces.

She is also "the harbinger" which suggests that she's just Gul'dan style staging for a full scale void assault.

I mean, it's entirely possible that Xal is also still the main villain for Midnight. I just don't think the play here is "get black blood and then pour it into the Sunwell". I think it's gonna be more like Xal uses the blood to reconstitute her old body or something, ascends back to Old God level--we fail to stop it but manage to secure the World Soul or something--and then she goes off to tear a bunch of void rifts open in Quel'thalas and attempt to just siege the planet with Void forces rather than the original corrupt from the inside out plan.

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I previously thought Azshara would be a major fixture of Midnight but the more I think about it, the less I want her to appear as I don’t want her to play second fiddle to Dimensius and Xal’atath. She should be given a much larger, more prominent role where she either spearheads an entire expansion or she’s a reluctant ally over the course of several expansions culminating with her eventual betrayal.

I wish that more antagonists were given the furbolg neutrality option rather than the binary of overt antagonism or allying with players. I think Xal'atath would be more interesting if after N'zoth's death she'd just rounded up the splintered Nerubians, Mantid and/or Qiraji and begun a "New Black Empire" in Silithus or Azjol-Nerub, unfriendly to the Horde and Alliance but not openly hostile.

[Jolly Roger]

So now that most of the pieces for 11.0 are in place and not changing. What do people reckon the expansion is going to look like?
My guess is still Rootlands with Goblins for 11.1, and across the Hallowfall ocean into the Silithus underground for 11.2.
Would love to hear more on what people think though.

i assume a high seas patch
we are introduced to the idea of an ocean beneath the ocean which i think sounds like something from the puzzlebox so imagine a navy style patch with the zone being essentially an island expedition. that covers goblin involvement since its about time we get gallywix.

the roots and black blood also mean something im guessing the rot is definitely enough to see decay matriarch return.

the hallowfall crystal will be involved in the finale and im guessing Xal will end up body snatching alleria