The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

If Silvermoon is indeed the Suramar of Midnight and not the capital city, then that does raise some interesting questions as to what the capital would be.

I suppose Tranquilen in the Ghostlands is a possibility. We could go the boring route of two smaller locations for the Horde and Alliance similar to the Shrines in Pandaria with the Sanctum of the Sun and Moon respectively, but I doubt it. Zul’aman would be an interesting choice if we get a curveball thrown and it’s not a raid or Void affiliated.

I can’t see it being Stratholme, that seems like a prime candidate for the .1 side story raid or a mega dungeon.

If Blizzard don’t go the route of utilising Gilneas and Undercity then I think it may be refreshing to utilise Alterac for the Alliance and Andorhal for the Horde.

In a way I imagine it can only really be Gilneas/Lordaeron, Somewhere in Silvermoon proper, or someplace truly neutral like Hearthglen or Andorhal.
If you remake Lordaeron then you would almost certainly see some other Alliance city get overhauled for parity. And making it a split faction hub that isnt those two cities would feel like a waste when both of them are literally right there with plenty of space for amenities.
If you don't make it a split faction hub then it would either have to be Silvermoon, which I disagree with due to it being the supposed focal point of the invasion. And that only leaves the truly faction neutral cities, with those really only being Hearthglen, Andorhal, or Light's Hope at a stretch. All of whom might feel a bit too human centric for a supposed elf centric expansion.

I very much doubt Stratholme for reason of it being simply too good an opportunity for dungeon revamp, same with Zul'aman. Both of which could be a dungeon, megadungeon, or even fully upgraded to raid status depending on how much focus they get.

[Makorus]

idk, seems really convenient that they both gave Gilneas and Lordaeron back to Alliance/Horde so recently but didn't do anything with it.

[Sondrelk]

idk, seems really convenient that they both gave Gilneas and Lordaeron back to Alliance/Horde so recently but didn't do anything with it.

I wouldnt say Lordaeron was given back suddenly. Gilneas however did get returned at a weirdly specific time right as they would have likely confirmed internally what the main hub or hubs would be in the Worldsoul Saga.

[Makorus]

I wouldnt say Lordaeron was given back suddenly. Gilneas however did get returned at a weirdly specific time right as they would have likely confirmed internally what the main hub or hubs would be in the Worldsoul Saga.

I still think that's why the Gilneas reclamation was so rushed and sudden: Because it had to be rushed.

[Shadowferal]

i mean they contradicted chronicles 1 like a month after release.
i honestly think its gonna be a case of cleaning up some of the choices made by past teams

If they didn't in Chronicles 2 or 3, a small interlude for a paragraph or two, then it's safe to say they won't in Chronicles 4.

Lore has become such a sad unfunny joke. Easier to contain it as it applies to the current expansion.

[Therougetitan]

Honestly I see Silvermoon City being lost and Isle of Quel'Danas with the Sunwell being the new capital city since that is what we will be protecting.

If they didn't in Chronicles 2 or 3, a small interlude for a paragraph or two, then it's safe to say they won't in Chronicles 4.

Lore has become such a sad unfunny joke. Easier to contain it as it applies to the current expansion.

Chronicles 2 and 3 were not about the time period of Legion or Shadowlands which why it is being brought up. Chronicles 4 does cover the most recent expansions so they will likely touch on how Sargeras found the titans souls and see how they attempt to make Shadowlands in the lore seem less bad.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Off-topic from current conversation:

Should TWW (or maybe Midnight) be the best time to update/change Shaman's "Ascendance" forms to proper... elemental forms?

Or do you prefer the current Elemental Ascendant form? Do you think it fits the flavor of Shamans?

Personally, I'd rather see Shaman transform into traditional Fire/Water/Air Elementals myself. Perhaps Blizzard does not want to use the same model as they do for Summon Earth/Fire Elemental? What other model could they use for Shaman's "Ascendance" if they were to change that form to a different elemental?

[Sondrelk]

Off-topic from current conversation:

Should TWW (or maybe Midnight) be the best time to update/change Shaman's "Ascendance" forms to proper... elemental forms?

Or do you prefer the current Elemental Ascendant form? Do you think it fits the flavor of Shamans?

Personally, I'd rather see Shaman transform into traditional Fire/Water/Air Elementals myself. Perhaps Blizzard does not want to use the same model as they do for Summon Earth/Fire Elemental? What other model could they use for Shaman's "Ascendance" if they were to change that form to a different elemental?

Personally don't play Shaman, but if I did I would probably consider them making dedicated ascendant forms similar to the Dathea, Ascended appearance. Seems like it would be easy enough to make three more variant of for each element (or just two when considering no spec uses earth ascendant).
High quality appearance, and it can show the player model in the middle if completely removing your character transmog is an issue.

[Tiradon]

I bet they'll just recolor the TWW login screen to purple and call it a day.

You know maybe the login screen evolves with each content patch...

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Personally don't play Shaman, but if I did I would probably consider them making dedicated ascendant forms similar to the Dathea, Ascended appearance. Seems like it would be easy enough to make three more variant of for each element (or just two when considering no spec uses earth ascendant).
High quality appearance, and it can show the player model in the middle if completely removing your character transmog is an issue.

That... actually... is the best idea for this I've seen. I didn't even consider that.





Looking at it again I would definitely choose this style, rather than a traditional ___ Elemental model.

[Joshuaj]

Someone got Chronicle 4 early, a couple of things:

1. Seemingly no new Cosmology Chart.

2. Recaps everything with very little added onto it, so think of it akin to Chronicle 3.

3. Zereth Mortis and the Shadowlands Cosmology stuff are mentioned, but it's perspective regarding how everything was created is seen as myth in the chronicle (So basically, it's just expanding on what was expressed VIA Odyn's Edicts. So yeah, nothing is retconned, but as I expected, the Progenitor-focused stuff seems to have been intentionally laid back a bit, which is fine, as in-universe, almost no one knows of Zereth Mortis, much less it's inner workings, which only Firim, and the Champions know about).

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Nothing new regarding Archimonde either, funny enough. So assume he's dead-dead.

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Funny enough, in Shadowlands, prior to the Jailer going to it, Zereth Mortis WAS seen as myth to the people of the Shadowlands. Firim was one of the few that actually took the time to study its whereabouts, and he was deemed a mad-man for it. So in-universe, the Progenitors being seen as "legend" in chronicle especially makes perfect sense, especially when it's made with the purpose of not letting mortals know anything about them.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Nothing new regarding Archimonde either, funny enough. So assume he's dead-dead.

Was there anything noteworthy mentioned about Archimonde recently? Why is his name popping up all of a sudden?

[Joshuaj]

Was there anything noteworthy mentioned about Archimonde recently? Why is his name popping up all of a sudden?

No. People just wanted clarification on his death for years now, since others assume he's not perma-dead.

[FossilFree]

Off-topic from current conversation:

Should TWW (or maybe Midnight) be the best time to update/change Shaman's "Ascendance" forms to proper... elemental forms?

Or do you prefer the current Elemental Ascendant form? Do you think it fits the flavor of Shamans?

Personally, I'd rather see Shaman transform into traditional Fire/Water/Air Elementals myself. Perhaps Blizzard does not want to use the same model as they do for Summon Earth/Fire Elemental? What other model could they use for Shaman's "Ascendance" if they were to change that form to a different elemental?

They should totally update it. It has to be one of the worst, if not the worst, visual effects tied to a major damage cooldown ability. Plus, the model we have now was a villain that corrupted the elements. Doesn't seem very heroic for shamans to turn into their antithesis.

The Glyph was way better. But I do like the "inside the elemental" approach too.

[Joshuaj]

@Varodoc Anything to say btw? Since you really wanted to see my reaction regarding Chronicle.

Wait, did not realize you were banned. Shoot.

[Nightshade711]

Personally don't play Shaman, but if I did I would probably consider them making dedicated ascendant forms similar to the Dathea, Ascended appearance. Seems like it would be easy enough to make three more variant of for each element (or just two when considering no spec uses earth ascendant).
High quality appearance, and it can show the player model in the middle if completely removing your character transmog is an issue.

Tbh Shamans need more visual updates anyways.
Ascendance using a Cata-era model, earth/lightning shield still using their vanilla visuals, etc.

[Foolicious]

Off-topic from current conversation:

Should TWW (or maybe Midnight) be the best time to update/change Shaman's "Ascendance" forms to proper... elemental forms?

Or do you prefer the current Elemental Ascendant form? Do you think it fits the flavor of Shamans?

Personally, I'd rather see Shaman transform into traditional Fire/Water/Air Elementals myself. Perhaps Blizzard does not want to use the same model as they do for Summon Earth/Fire Elemental? What other model could they use for Shaman's "Ascendance" if they were to change that form to a different elemental?

Not a huge fan of shamans turning into elementals. I think something like dathea's acendant form could work if they adjust the size and add better animations. It's still not turning fully into a elemental so im fine with that. Lorewise its so powerful it'll kill you after a while, but i think no shaman will be mad if we bend the lore a tiny bit for a visual update. I would prefer some fire/water/air effects for the character model though but i take everything over that cata ascendant model.

Tbh Shamans need more visual updates anyways.
Ascendance using a Cata-era model, earth/lightning shield still using their vanilla visuals, etc.

It's crazy how many new elementals and elemental spell effects we got in dragonflight and shaman got not one update. They pumped out a ton of great spells for augmentation and even bears got a new elemental form, but heaven forbid they update lightning bolt.

[Golden Yak]

That... actually... is the best idea for this I've seen. I didn't even consider that.



Looking at it again I would definitely choose this style, rather than a traditional ___ Elemental model.

'Wearing' an elemental like a suit of power armor is a neat idea. Use that for their tank spec.

[doledippers]

dh changes this week for sure /s

[Merryck]

dh changes this week for sure /s

New goal post?