The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

Has anything been hinted to be below EK/east of Pandaria? I think Avaloren is west of Kalimdor per the lore hints, but that area I mentioned is some big empty space for the map.

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I think some NPCs said it was destroyed in Cata but like most questionable Cata coke-lore it was walked back by the time of BFA with the Motherlode being established on its surface. And Gazlowe and Goblin npcs talk about Undermine in TWW so it is around.

Yeah, Kezan got retconned exactly the same way they did with Zandalar (which is good .... you don't just destroy expansion level zones offscreen if you want your game to survive for ever ...).

[Enrif]

Has anything been hinted to be below EK/east of Pandaria? I think Avaloren is west of Kalimdor per the lore hints, but that area I mentioned is some big empty space for the map.

I don't think Avaloren is west of kalimdor. No explicit cardinal direction was given to that place. It may very well be east of the eastern kingdoms too. Or, both, a giant continent east of the eastern kingdoms and west of kalimdor.

As for whats between the eastern kingdoms and pandaria: Vashj'ir. Nothin else comes to mind.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I don't think Avaloren is west of kalimdor. No explicit cardinal direction was given to that place. It may very well be east of the eastern kingdoms too. Or, both, a giant continent east of the eastern kingdoms and west of kalimdor.

As for whats between the eastern kingdoms and pandaria: Vashj'ir. Nothin else comes to mind.

Is Avaloren the location of the Arathi Empire, or is that an unnamed continent at this point?

[huth]

Yeah, Kezan got retconned exactly the same way they did with Zandalar (which is good .... you don't just destroy expansion level zones offscreen if you want your game to survive for ever ...).

For what it's worth, for Goblins having a city explode is just another monday. It's perfectly reasonable that they just rebuilt.

[Makabreska]

For what it's worth, for Goblins having a city explode is just another monday. It's perfectly reasonable that they just rebuilt.

They had the tech since Cata starting zone:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Town-In-A-Box

[Enrif]

Is Avaloren the location of the Arathi Empire, or is that an unnamed continent at this point?

I don't think there was any official infos found yet that connect them both. But given that a location in the eastern kingdoms is called New Avalon, and the Arathi also are from the eastern kingdoms, it is assumed that Avaloren and the continent of the Arathi empire are the same.

[milkmustache]

I don't think there was any official infos found yet that connect them both. But given that a location in the eastern kingdoms is called New Avalon, and the Arathi also are from the eastern kingdoms, it is assumed that Avaloren and the continent of the Arathi empire are the same.

This is also the thing that consistently makes me think the Arathi and the Scarlets will get along a little too well. I think in the midst of Renilash we'll see the two bond over very similar ideals, with the Scarlets perhaps either being absorbed into the Arathi Empire or becoming a diplomatic foothold into the Eastern Kingdoms.

Where the Arathi will influence the Scarlets in their distaste of the shadow (void), the Scarlets will influence the Arathi in their distaste for the undead. I wonder if Avaloren has any presence of death at all, obviously untouched by the Scourge. That could be an interesting thread to pull.

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This is also the thing that consistently makes me think the Arathi and the Scarlets will get along a little too well. I think in the midst of Renilash we'll see the two bond over very similar ideals, with the Scarlets perhaps either being absorbed into the Arathi Empire or becoming a diplomatic foothold into the Eastern Kingdoms.

Where the Arathi will influence the Scarlets in their distaste of the shadow (void), the Scarlets will influence the Arathi in their distaste for the undead. I wonder if Avaloren has any presence of death at all, obviously untouched by the Scourge. That could be an interesting thread to pull.

I am all in for more Scarlet Crusade content. A shot in the arm via this new Arathi Empire would be excellent

[Joshuaj]

Holy shit...

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[Aucald]

Is Avaloren the location of the Arathi Empire, or is that an unnamed continent at this point?

Avaloren is a popular candidate for the location of the recently revealed Arathi Empire, but it's not been confirmed yet insofar as I'm aware. The locations of both Avaloren and the Arathi Empire are currently unknown.

[Jolly Roger]

I am just glad they didn't retcon the First Ones.

What people don't realise is that the First Ones were necessary, and it's not a fault of Shadowlands writing, it's a fault of Legions writing and even before that by wimpifying the Titans.

If you non-chalantly turn two "gods" into bosses without making a big deal out of it, then yeah, you kinda fucked up. You can headcanon it as "Oh no, it was just an 'avatar'!" or whatever as much as you want, we did beat two Titans in Legion, which turns the concept of a Titan into "just another creature".

we beat one twisted premature titan with the help of the pantheon
the pantheon imprisoned the other titan

like we literally lost to argus but thanks to the others we got ressed and uber buffed

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i was hoping that was just fan art because lol
"I SHALL NEVER SERVE" out of context is cool
but when you take into account she spent years serving him being told he would remake the world and rule it all then it just seems like a pointless action

[Ersula]

Avaloren is a popular candidate for the location of the recently revealed Arathi Empire, but it's not been confirmed yet insofar as I'm aware. The locations of both Avaloren and the Arathi Empire are currently unknown.

Could the heretical views of Avaloren Odyn was referring to be the Arathi ignoring the Titans in order to fully worship the Naaru?

[Jolly Roger]

avaloren is hopefully arthurian (like how in SL the kyrian zone was supposed to be greek themed because elysium)
which means it definitely makes sense for it to be the home of the arathi empire and can possibly even serve as a place for the old hero story used in multiple myths of
evil emperor
true heir found
heir comes back and claims throne from emperor
rules kingdom

especially with Anduin rediscovering his connection to the light and realizing what it truly represents.

[Darkarath]

Could the heretical views of Avaloren Odyn was referring to be the Arathi ignoring the Titans in order to fully worship the Naaru?

If you are talking about Odyn's Decrees or the Expedition report about Avaloren, I believe that it is impossible that the Arathi existed back then.

[huth]

i was hoping that was just fan art because lol
"I SHALL NEVER SERVE" out of context is cool
but when you take into account she spent years serving him being told he would remake the world and rule it all then it just seems like a pointless action

That appears to me like the scene at the end of Sanctum where he drops the pretense and reveals to Sylv that he duped her this whole time.

See the pillars from the Arbiter's room in the corner.

[milkmustache]

avaloren is hopefully arthurian (like how in SL the kyrian zone was supposed to be greek themed because elysium)
which means it definitely makes sense for it to be the home of the arathi empire and can possibly even serve as a place for the old hero story used in multiple myths of
evil emperor
true heir found
heir comes back and claims throne from emperor
rules kingdom

especially with Anduin rediscovering his connection to the light and realizing what it truly represents.

Idk if you're implying Anduin or Faerin as the true heir, but that would be an insane turn to have Anduin go take over the Arathi empire. Not in a bad way at all, just very interesting lol.

But to add onto the Arthurian idea of Avaloren, Faerin's "A DRAGON?! You're just casually friends with a legendary beast known to scour lands and grant wishes?" feels like something in that realm.

[huth]

If you are talking about Odyn's Decrees or the Keeper report about Avaloren, I believe that it is impossible that the Arathi existed back then.

Yeah, i'm reasonably sure the whole human history postdates the Sundering, while those decrees and reports would predate it.

[Cheezits]

If you are talking about Odyn's Decrees or the Expedition report about Avaloren, I believe that it is impossible that the Arathi existed back then.

The heretics (rebel titanforged?) could have been on Avaloren first, and then the Arathi met them when they traveled there. Then they merged into the empire (or allied with it) as it was formed. Or the Arathi betrayed em. We don't know.

Heretics implies theres some kind of rebel magic force where they are and Light (or Life, per the seemingly strange Green Dragons there) would fit the bill. It could ofc be Fel/Void/Death but I think those forces will be taking a backseat for a while after Midnight. Except Demons, I think they are bound to pop up soon with Denathrius (and Sargeras).

[milkmustache]

Heretics implies theres some kind of rebel magic force where they are and Light (or Life, per the seemingly strange Green Dragons there)

Both of these have some form of tie to Elune. Priestesses of Elune, Elune's Light, and Elune's obvious connection to the Dream and the Green Dragonflight. I still think there is a lot more to Elune than we know, and Avaloren could give answers that perhaps TLT won't.

[Aucald]

Could the heretical views of Avaloren Odyn was referring to be the Arathi ignoring the Titans in order to fully worship the Naaru?

I would imagine the events that that occurred on Avaloren concerning Odyn happened way before the rise of the original Empire of Arathor, from which TWW's Arathi left to found their own empire across the sea. Arathor was founded some ~2,800 years before WC1, whereas Odyn was sealed away in the Halls of Valor somewhere around ~20,000+ years before WC1, around the same time Yogg-Saron succeeded in corruption Keeper Loken.