The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

I wouldn't be suprised if the similarities were intentional. Its possible he might originally have meant to be a rogue titan but later they changed course and decided to go with the Eternal Ones and Shadowlands having its own pantheon.

I mean in the old design, he looks less like A Titan and more like a straight up variant or alternate of Aman'thul. Which may have been (and may still be) the idea.

[huth]

By Faerin's words, IMO it is clear that there are no dragons in the Arathi Empire.

Faerin sees them as myth. If the Arathi Empire is as vast and powerful (and... suspicious of other races) as Faerin says, it seems unlikely that they have not encountered and decimated any dragon that could inhabit those lands.

But again, we have very little information to speculate about. I am sure that when we are a few months into TWW our knowledge and ideas will have changed quite a bit.

She calls them legendary, not mythical. And she seems surprised Anduin is just casually friends with one, but does not seem super-surprised they exist, which strongly suggest they are rare, but not non-existant in her homeland.

Besides, the description she gives does not fit the known dragons at all.

Consequentially, there has to be a seperate and distinct population of Dragons in the Arathi empire. Probably in out of the way places, where hunting them down would be to much effort to be worth it, especially since they don't appear to be seen as purely malevolent.

[Khaza-R]

I mean in the old design, he looks less like A Titan and more like a straight up variant or alternate of Aman'thul. Which may have been (and may still be) the idea.

That's possible too. Maybe they changed it because having some endtime variant of Aman'thul was too similiar to the Murozond story.

It would be nice if a dev ever comes forward and gives the insider scoop on just how much SL changed over the course of development and perhaps what their original plans were.

[Alanar]

I never liked the armored jailer design, they were clearly going for a Lich King 2.0 level of coolness and it fell flat.

Ye it just didnt hit..

[Sondrelk]

She calls them legendary, not mythical. And she seems surprised Anduin is just casually friends with one, but does not seem super-surprised they exist, which strongly suggest they are rare, but not non-existant in her homeland.

Besides, the description she gives does not fit the known dragons at all.

Consequentially, there has to be a seperate and distinct population of Dragons in the Arathi empire. Probably in out of the way places, where hunting them down would be to much effort to be worth it, especially since they don't appear to be seen as purely malevolent.

There is also the fact that all of them are presumably descended from green dragons, rather than the various different types we see normally. I can't imagine a brood like that would be particularly beliggerent, or really want to do anything but relax and hoard gold or whatever makes them more like a dragon like Faerin is describing.

[Nymrohd]

I have to say, I wonder how many times health pool changes for everyone have happened in the history of WoW. Maybe at some point they can figure out they have an issue with health scaling.

[huth]

I have to say, I wonder how many times health pool changes for everyone have happened in the history of WoW. Maybe at some point they can figure out they have an issue with health scaling.

I don't think it's health scaling in and of itself. It's more a disconnect between the class design team wanting to make healing more deliberate and the encounter team scaling damage to match the health pools, forcing a return to the status quo.

[Nymrohd]

I don't think it's health scaling in and of itself. It's more a disconnect between the class design team wanting to make healing more deliberate and the encounter team scaling damage to match the health pools, forcing a return to the status quo.

It just happens so frequently, sometimes multiple times in a single expac. You'd think at some point they would agree on some clear targets.

[Auxis]

I really, really think that the First Ones and Titans being so similar is not laziness but is a direct plot beat. The Odyn writing in DF implies the Titans have a special connection to them and their own Zereth, but covers it up either due to pride or secret instructions from higher up. They even have the constellar hanging out in Mortis and they are either THE Order creatures or are their servants.

As always I still believe the FOs are Titans that time travelled back to the beginning of time (setting things up so they would be the dominant force in the future), or they are direct descendants/heirs of the FOs after they did the original cosmos split. They may even be (literal) copies of them.

Could they have been ambiguous gods that don't match any of the existing themes and aesthetics? Sure. Would that have been a better plot? Can't say. I personally like this level of intrigue, it reeks of entities manipulating things behind the scenes, which is a story type I enjoy.

I'm of the belief that World Souls are THE sleeping souls of the First Ones, who peaced out after they built the Framework: but i think the more likely truth is that World Souls are First One related Souls similar to the Souls inhabiting the Eternal Ones.

[Enrif]

I'm of the belief that World Souls are THE sleeping souls of the First Ones, who peaced out after they built the Framework: but i think the more likely truth is that World Souls are First One related Souls similar to the Souls inhabiting the Eternal Ones.

Personally i cling to the origin mythos of the universe. A clash between light and void that created everything. World Souls are fragment of that light. But since the clash between light and void created everything else (life, death, chaos, order), a world soul can be changed to one of those. And because they are light, it is that the titans feared a void corrupted world soul the most.

As for the First Ones, they might have been the very first beings that were created after the clash between light and void, or they existed before that clash, and vanished with the clash. Perhaps the first ones were light and void. The primordial light and void before anything else existed.

[Varodoc]

@Varodoc Anything to say btw? Since you really wanted to see my reaction regarding Chronicle.

Wait, did not realize you were banned. Shoot.

I did?

Anyway, I don't really care about the Cosmic stuff.

All I care about is that Chronicles finally confirmed that Jaina Proudmoore literally did nothing wrong in MoP. No revelation has ever given Me greater joy.

[doledippers]

the felblade aoe soul consume is a good change for havoc in aldrachi reaver, but they also seem to have completely broken the tree with bugs lol

[Lady Atia]

The delves "mini renown" is now in, and you get a few of the flying machine customizations during season 1. Really hope they expand on that and add it for Raids/M+/PvP too.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I did?

Anyway, I don't really care about the Cosmic stuff.

All I care about is that Chronicles finally confirmed that Jaina Proudmoore literally did nothing wrong in MoP. No revelation has ever given Me greater joy.

Has a page about the purge of dal been posted some where?

[Joshuaj]

I did?

Anyway, I don't really care about the Cosmic stuff.

All I care about is that Chronicles finally confirmed that Jaina Proudmoore literally did nothing wrong in MoP. No revelation has ever given Me greater joy.

You randomly mentioning me about all of this was part of why I chose to create this account to begin with.

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Has a page about the purge of dal been posted some where?

Yeah I need to see this as well lol

[KOUNTERPARTS]

You randomly mentioning me about all of this was part of why I chose to create this account to begin with.

It's because you cannot stay away from this website, no matter how many different accounts you make, or how many times you change your account's name. Major ego alert.

Remember, you said this:

Considering I just made a new account today, this is funny. Love knowing I'm still in your heads rent free tho

Just to be clear: you "living rent free" is by virtue of you making an ass out of yourself multiple times, across multiple accounts, with your opinioned overreaches and tendency to attack people personally for not listening to you.

There is a difference between "living in your head rent free" and people remembering to not listen to you, because you purposely act a certain way. This is the same as walking into the middle of a crowded room and pissing on yourself for attention.

A huge difference.

[Ersula]

All I care about is that Chronicles finally confirmed that Jaina Proudmoore literally did nothing wrong in MoP. No revelation has ever given Me greater joy.

She tried to drown orc babies until Thrall talked her down

[Joshuaj]

It's because you cannot stay away from this website, no matter how many different accounts you make, or how many times you change your account's name.

Remember, you said this:



Let's just be very clear: you do not live rent free in anybody's head. You act like a complete ass and go on tirades based on opinionated over-reaches over the lore and make an ass out of yourself.

By virtue of you standing out is how people remember you. Similar to walking into a crowded room and pissing your pants on purpose.

Keep it civil. Also, I was in people's heads rent free considering they kept talking about me even when I was gone for a bit. So, no?

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I did?

Anyway, I don't really care about the Cosmic stuff.

All I care about is that Chronicles finally confirmed that Jaina Proudmoore literally did nothing wrong in MoP. No revelation has ever given Me greater joy.

Reminder that she nearly flooded Orgrimmar and fucked over Varian's plans to bring the Blood Elves back into the Alliance.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Keep it civil.

Not a shred of self-awareness.

Also, I was in people's heads rent free considering they kept talking about me even when I was gone for a bit. So, no?

Point proven. Act like an ass and people remember when that one guy was being an ass. Sounds like they are in your head.

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She tried to drown orc babies until Thrall talked her down

Not the orc babies!

[Houle]

Keep it civil. Also, I was in people's heads rent free considering they kept talking about me even when I was gone for a bit. So, no?

You just kinda proved his point tho lawl

Continuously behaving like a douche (even while getting dunked on constantly) will make a lot of people remember you as the dude who behaves like a douche. And thats pretty much all there is to it. Anything more than that is mostly just your ego talking.