The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

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the scarlets and their false heir are still out there

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he never lied to her
the only thing we ever see him doing is being evil
the first time he interacts with us he is literally attempting to enslave us and the leaders
anduin called sylvanas out about her being arthas

the guy even told her when they first met "you will serve me because these things will come to pass"

That's wrong. He literally told Sylvanas that he wanted her to he a co-worker for him, and that he wouldn't do any of that "serve me" shit on her. It would be the two of them remaking the cosmos as equal partners. That's what he told Sylvanas, and that's what Sylvanas thought throughout the first half of SL.

Zovaal was gonna enslave everyone else, but to Sylvanas, it was for a "greater good".

However, in reality, Zovaal duped her and simply saw her as another tool for his plans. There was no "equal partnership" involved at all. The Devil quite literally tricked her. Not to mention he fooled her motive-wise as well, saying shit like "oh yeah, we'll reforge the cosmos to be just and fair" even tho he actually wanted everything to be chained up, full of torment, etc.

[Makorus]

That's wrong. He literally told Sylvanas that he wanted her to he a co-worker for him, and that he wouldn't do any of that "serve me" shit on her. It would be the two of them remaking the cosmos as equal partners. That's what he told Sylvanas, and that's what Sylvanas thought throughout the first half of SL.

Zovaal was gonna enslave everyone else, but to Sylvanas, it was for a "greater good".

However, in reality, Zovaal duped her and simply saw her as another tool for his plans. There was no "equal partnership" involved at all. The Devil quite literally tricked her. Not to mention he fooled her motive-wise as well, saying shit like "oh yeah, we'll reforge the cosmos to be just and fair" even tho he actually wanted everything to be chained up, full of torment, etc.

[Citation needed]

That's never stated. Yeah, he discarded Denathrius, because he failed him and he probably knew that he was scheming against him, but there was nothing indicating that's what gonna happen to Sylvanas if she doesn't fail him.

[Lady Atia]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...-update-ahead/

Good change for the infrastructure, although I'm wondering if this also includes the ability to merge bnet accounts. Back when they created Bnet this was needed if you had two wow accounts (I know I had to do it in order to get my classic/tbc char back since I started a new account during wotlk), but honestly everyone who wanted to do that had more than enough time and the service itself was mostly used as a loophole to get stuff from third parties.

If true, that surely enables them to do stuff like "you can farm one old elite set/glad mount during a season by playing rated pvp but you can never catch up" without a tiny amount of people just spamming bnet accounts and merging them after a season ends. Honestly, I'm wondering how many goblins actually used that method to get more trading post stuff?

[Ochinko]

I just wish they would find a way to merge the data of different regions.

Started my WoW journey on the US realms, then had to play on EU for a couple years and now I'm back on US. Feels bad to have awesome things (like WoD challenge mode weapons) on EU and unable to access it on US.

Not even asking to transfer characters, just for it to check the achivements or w/e and give the rewards / check for unlocked transmogs.

[Lady Atia]

I just wish they would find a way to merge the data of different regions.

Started my WoW journey on the US realms, then had to play on EU for a couple years and now I'm back on US. Feels bad to have awesome things (like WoD challenge mode weapons) on EU and unable to access it on US.

Not even asking to transfer characters, just for it to check the achivements or w/e and give the rewards / check for unlocked transmogs.

Last time they talked about it it surely seemed like it's mostly a spaghetti code issue, but yee, simply merging us and eu collections would solve most issues people seem to have. Another problem would be, if you allow that, shouldn't you also allow chinese accounts to share the same collection, which opens up a WHOLE can of worms thanks to netease releasing stuff that's not available on EU/US retail (stuff like the new netease bear, spectral tigers in their blizz store etc).

Last but not least I'm still thinking they should either merge classic and retail collections (even if it's just oneway for retail) or make a season of legacy that ends with the classic chars on retail, not on classic thus enabling us collecting old stuff. At that point it would be just another version of remix tbh.

[Zers Editor]

i think if the arathi empire are just super into the light and only see it as like a great crusade then having Anduin the peace master go in and become the new ruler makes sense.

theres also the scarlet crusade angle

Anduin - becomes the ruler of Avaloren.
Faerin - becomes the ruler/queen of Stormwind.

That would be an interesting switch.
Plus I was never against the idea of Anduin being the king. Just his own, not like his father. That was the main idea behind his development in Legion and BfA's cinematic (the last thing Metzen worked on before leaving).

[Makorus]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...-update-ahead/

Good change for the infrastructure, although I'm wondering if this also includes the ability to merge bnet accounts. Back when they created Bnet this was needed if you had two wow accounts (I know I had to do it in order to get my classic/tbc char back since I started a new account during wotlk), but honestly everyone who wanted to do that had more than enough time and the service itself was mostly used as a loophole to get stuff from third parties.

If true, that surely enables them to do stuff like "you can farm one old elite set/glad mount during a season by playing rated pvp but you can never catch up" without a tiny amount of people just spamming bnet accounts and merging them after a season ends. Honestly, I'm wondering how many goblins actually used that method to get more trading post stuff?

I mean, it's long overdue. Realistically, recently, it was only ever used for World First guilds to trade characters around for someone else to play.

[Makabreska]

Anduin - becomes the ruler of Avaloren.
Faerin - becomes the ruler/queen of Stormwind.

That would be an interesting switch.
Plus I was never against the idea of Anduin being the king. Just his own, not like his father. That was the main idea behind his development in Legion and BfA's cinematic (the last thing Metzen worked on before leaving).

A complete outsiders becoming rulers of each would be horribly unrealistic.

[Varodoc]

Faerin - becomes the ruler/queen of Stormwind.

Yeah... No. She is never going to sit on the lion throne.

[Makorus]

Anduin - becomes the ruler of Avaloren.
Faerin - becomes the ruler/queen of Stormwind.

That would be an interesting switch.
Plus I was never against the idea of Anduin being the king. Just his own, not like his father. That was the main idea behind his development in Legion and BfA's cinematic (the last thing Metzen worked on before leaving).

How would that even be organically a thing lmao

[Jolly Roger]

Anduin - becomes the ruler of Avaloren.
Faerin - becomes the ruler/queen of Stormwind.

That would be an interesting switch.
Plus I was never against the idea of Anduin being the king. Just his own, not like his father. That was the main idea behind his development in Legion and BfA's cinematic (the last thing Metzen worked on before leaving).

faerin wont rule its not in her character that we see
BUT
anduin bringing back a forgotten human kingdom AND it is a light empire

that fits his character

[Lahis]

I just wish they would find a way to merge the data of different regions.

Started my WoW journey on the US realms, then had to play on EU for a couple years and now I'm back on US. Feels bad to have awesome things (like WoD challenge mode weapons) on EU and unable to access it on US.

Not even asking to transfer characters, just for it to check the achivements or w/e and give the rewards / check for unlocked transmogs.

Sorry but the technology simply isn't there yet to transfer data across entire oceans.

[Lady Atia]

I mean, it's long overdue. Realistically, recently, it was only ever used for World First guilds to trade characters around for someone else to play.

Which is as much against the EULA as someone else getting you glad on a new account and than sending that char to your main bnet account.

[Xilurm]

Sorry but the technology simply isn't there yet to transfer data across entire oceans.

Isn't that what we are doing right now?

[Lahis]

Isn't that what we are doing right now?

Yes, which is why Blizzard's excuses for cross region incompability don't hold any water.

[Alanar]

Sorry, no. No one here shares your weird-ass fixations.

Hmm thats false, many do actually. Seen people mentioning this many times.

Wether you like it or not.

[Makorus]

Which is as much against the EULA as someone else getting you glad on a new account and than sending that char to your main bnet account.

I mean, Blizzard doesn't care seeing how every top guild has been doing it religiously.

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Yes, which is why Blizzard's excuses for cross region incompability don't hold any water.

That is not their excuse though and never really has been the main reason. Hell, they consistently say that it's something they want to do (along with crossplay), it's just not worth it.

This whole "cross progression" thing is just a small part of a big fish which is cross-region.

[Xilurm]

Hmm thats false, many do actually. Seen people mentioning this many times.

Wether you like it or not.

Then I suggest you guys REALLY pay attention to the story and stop thinking your headcanon is actually canon. Having theories is one thing, but at least try and stay consistent with what's happening in the story when you make them?

[Varodoc]

Then I suggest you guys REALLY pay attention to the story and stop thinking your headcanon is actually canon. Having theories is one thing, but at least try and stay consistent with what's happening in the story when you make them?

I'm pretty sure they're only on MMO-Champion, which is a fringe and obscure fan-forum and an echo chamber.

On the Official forums, Reddit, Discord, and X, pretty much no one cares enough about Turalyon to even mention him.

I have certainly never seen those """theories""" mentioned anywhere that actually matters. (also, we're really calling any drivel a "theory" nowadays huh?)

So, basically, distrust that claim.

[Shadowferal]

Yes, which is why Blizzard's excuses for cross region incompability don't hold any water.

..."ocean" water.