The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

Yeah and still people are having weird lore discussions instead of potential future game changes (or even atleast lore that's actually related to TWW or the world soul saga).

Anyways, can't wait to finish the Mythic Awakened Raids next week with Raszha and than go into holiday-prepatch mode. Will defo do some chill off-season battleground blitz with my planned s1 chars to get a feeling for class changes etc (since I slacked in beta tbh haha).

We can reframe the discussion a bit then!

I've been trying to figure out what exactly Illidan's role will be in TLT. Oddly enough, the stance I imagine him taking is very similar to Iridikron's; Illidan believes in self determinism to an extent, so I imagine his view on the Titans and the World Soul (and whatever Azeroth in her awakened form may be) would reflect his reaction to Xera's Gift.

Does this credit a redundancy in Iridikron and Illidan, a rivalry, or will Illidan be Titan propaganda-fied during his time with the Pantheon? Or does he have involvement at all?

Timewalking vs Remix. What's better for the game? Which expansions to choose?

I think Remix outdoes Timewalking 9 times out of 10, and I'd love to see how they approach future iterations of Remix in the future. I think it has fantastic use for reframing old lore or simply retreading familiar themes before new expansions. I don't love the idea of time limited seasonal content, but I am finding myself bored with alts after a while, to which I wish I could use them to collect transmogs during pre-patch. I imagine Remix stays as a season 4 staple, but I think some tweaks could be made to make it perfect. That being said, I entirely expect Legion Remix for Midnight.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, just make it so that you can only get one elite set and one gladiator mount per bnet account per season, and restrict it so that you can only get stuff that's older than 2 expansions in order to bring it in line with Mythic raiding rewards. No rating required, just you doing rated pvp. Gladiator mounts wouldn't give you the FoS if you farm it later, give people who own an elite set also a new FoS per season, and don't allow people to actually catch-up. Best of both worlds.

Some of the best sets in the game are Elite PvP, and they are just straight up not seen ever. I doubt most players even realized that WoD had an Elite PvP set whose appearance (at least the shoulders and head) were completely unique to those players. And given so few players were all that interested in WoD, or are still playing, most of them will be nothing but curiosities and probably never be seen.

Hopefully players will eventually be given a way to actually farm these appearances so they can get the love they deserve.

[Dracullus]

Anyone was testing pre-patch event? How long it takes to fully equip one alt from scratch (no upgrades)? It is possible to change this gear into tier from S4?

[Kiivar86]

Anyone was testing pre-patch event? How long it takes to fully equip one alt from scratch (no upgrades)? It is possible to change this gear into tier from S4?

I may be wrong but I don't think they did testing for it, I think it was mostly kept under wraps besides some stuff being datamined.

[Makorus]

I may be wrong but I don't think they did testing for it, I think it was mostly kept under wraps besides some stuff being datamined.

It's been up for a few months now on the Beta. Dunno how quick it is though.

[Benggaul]

Looks like I'm in the no-Beta club this time around despite being in every Beta since TBC. Guess that's what I get for not having the cash to buy an upgraded expansion. lol

[Kiivar86]

It's been up for a few months now on the Beta. Dunno how quick it is though.

Oh wow I haven't heard a thing about it, too. That's...ominous, hah.

Looks like I'm in the no-Beta club this time around despite being in every Beta since TBC. Guess that's what I get for not having the cash to buy an upgraded expansion. lol

Ditto. Kinda surprised, hell I've been in a bunch of alphas too. Maybe they purged names from the friends & family list or something (or my friend forgot to add me again).

[Alanar]

Then I suggest you guys REALLY pay attention to the story and stop thinking your headcanon is actually canon. Having theories is one thing, but at least try and stay consistent with what's happening in the story when you make them?

Thats a weird suggestion. Because Its not even headcanon and no one is saying its canon either, but at the same time its also impossible to just dismiss, simply because you dont like it. Its been a theory ever since like you said, but a plausible one nontheless.

The topic, seems to be a trigger for some it seems.

[Benggaul]

Ditto. Kinda surprised, hell I've been in a bunch of alphas too. Maybe they purged names from the friends & family list or something (or my friend forgot to add me again).

Same here with the alphas, though I was never on any friends and family list. The cynical part of me wants to say that only a handful of people who haven't bought the more expensive expansion packages (in which beta was guaranteed) are allowed in this time, but more likely it's just the luck of the draw. I was also one of those folks who actually tested everything and sent detailed bug reports every day so I thought I was put on a short list because of that considering how fast I got into previous betas but nope. lol

Guess I'll use the time to clean up all of my bank storage again to make room for the hundreds of useless items the new expansion will inject into the game that my OCD compels me to hold onto "just in case".

[Alanar]

Ye, no. Haven't seen anyone beside Bauman trying so desperately to turn Turalyon into a villain, didn't even seen anyone alluding to that.

Its been talked about so many times, its not like its brought up every single time, but I have seen more people talk about it besides the one you are talking about. It pops up now and then.

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What a weird thing to co-sign on. As if people purposely deluding themselves and operating under their personal opinions/beliefs as actual truth is a good thing.

ESPECIALLY when the established lore/store of a fictional work has every single piece of fucking information there for anybody to research.

Bad post here all around.

Why are you so triggered by a simple theory. No need to be so passivle aggressive.

Wether you like it or not, its been a plausible theory for what ever its worth ever since. Literally anything can happen.

[Sondrelk]

Same here with the alphas, though I was never on any friends and family list. The cynical part of me wants to say that only a handful of people who haven't bought the more expensive expansion packages (in which beta was guaranteed) are allowed in this time, but more likely it's just the luck of the draw. I was also one of those folks who actually tested everything and sent detailed bug reports every day so I thought I was put on a short list because of that considering how fast I got into previous betas but nope. lol

Guess I'll use the time to clean up all of my bank storage again to make room for the hundreds of useless items the new expansion will inject into the game that my OCD compels me to hold onto "just in case".

Dont forget to sell all the crafting materials in DF that will be less in demand going forward.
By the time the pre-expansion rolls around I would expect the prices to plummet, so better to be ahead of the curve on that one.

[Benggaul]

Dont forget to sell all the crafting materials in DF that will be less in demand going forward.
By the time the pre-expansion rolls around I would expect the prices to plummet, so better to be ahead of the curve on that one.

Haha, I have crafters for every profession, so all of them hold a small stock of "outdated" materials...just in case. I fail at the AH metagame anyway.

[Sondrelk]

Haha, I have crafters for every profession, so all of them hold a small stock of "outdated" materials...just in case. I fail at the AH metagame anyway.

I think most of us fail at the AH meta game. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't ounce on the chance to offload some awakened elements or whatever materials is needed to make the legendary weapons. Plenty of people who will want to make them before the expansion is over, and little reason to keep the materials for later.

Also it's nice to have more space in your bank for the next expansion when you inevitably fill it up with materials again.

[huth]

Thats a weird suggestion. Because Its not even headcanon and no one is saying its canon either, but at the same time its also impossible to just dismiss, simply because you dont like it. Its been a theory ever since like you said, but a plausible one nontheless.

The topic, seems to be a trigger for some it seems.

It's not hard to dismiss. It's just that clueless people keep bringing it up. It's never been a theory, just a wild unsubstantiated guess.

[Xilurm]

Thats a weird suggestion. Because Its not even headcanon and no one is saying its canon either, but at the same time its also impossible to just dismiss, simply because you dont like it. Its been a theory ever since like you said, but a plausible one nontheless.

The topic, seems to be a trigger for some it seems.

Prove it then. What exactly makes you think that?

[Alanar]

Prove it then. What exactly makes you think that?

What are you even on about?

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It's not hard to dismiss. It's just that clueless people keep bringing it up. It's never been a theory, just a wild unsubstantiated guess.

It seems more likely we are dealing with " I dont like this approach, because I like Tularyon" type of thing, which I am seeing every single time its brought up.

[Makorus]

As much as I like the "Light is actually evil!" trope, making Turalyon evil just for the sake of it is incredibly lame.

There is also very little that supports this "theory" other than a vague ilgynoth whisper that applies to 100 things and him replacing Anduin.

[Xilurm]

What are you even on about?

Bring up times in the game which makes you and others think that Turalyon will end up evil. Because this is what both you and Bauman keep talking about. Because I don't get it. You guys say he's a zealot fanatic but never provide context or situations where that's the case?

[Eldryth]

Thats a weird suggestion. Because Its not even headcanon and no one is saying its canon either, but at the same time its also impossible to just dismiss, simply because you dont like it. Its been a theory ever since like you said, but a plausible one nontheless.

The topic, seems to be a trigger for some it seems.

Of course. It's always a disaster when the writers decide to complete change a character's personality to use them as a villain, and after all the past cases of that, it's natural for everyone to strongly oppose doing it again. Just like it made absolutely no sense for Kael'thas to turn against everything he cared about to join the Legion, and Sylvanas's constantly changing personality and motivation was awful, it'd be nearly impossible to reconcile the villainous Turalyon you're suggesting with the current reality of his character- a guy who follows the Light but is reasonable about it and has always put his family and the world first. You want him to be an entirely different character in all but name. Far better to use an entirely new character or Yrel (kind of another character derailment, but the damage is already done with her unless they decide to retroactively fix her like they did with Illidan in Legion).

[Xilurm]

Of course. It's always a disaster when the writers decide to complete change a character's personality to use them as a villain, and after all the past cases of that, it's natural for everyone to strongly oppose doing it again. Just like it made absolutely no sense for Kael'thas to turn against everything he cared about to join the Legion, and Sylvanas's constantly changing personality and motivation was awful, it'd be nearly impossible to reconcile the villainous Turalyon you're suggesting with the current reality of his character- a guy who follows the Light but is reasonable about it and has always put his family and the world first. You want him to be an entirely different character in all but name. Far better to use an entirely new character or Yrel (kind of another character derailment, but the damage is already done with her unless they decide to retroactively fix her like they did with Illidan in Legion).

At least with Yrel it's more believable because there's a 30 year gap where we are told what she did and who she became. With Turalyon there was 1000 year gap and yet we weren't told he changed. He's just the same old hero he always was. To change him now after staying the same for 1000 years would be beyond absurd.