The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

Two important confirmations from Chronicles IV:

- Uldir: It is mentioned that Uldir was a joint Alliance-Horde effort, however Brann Bronzebeard of Ironforge was the main lead of the G'Huun/Uldir storyline. The passage concludes with Brann rejoicing that G'Huun was defeated but lamenting that the Zandalari will be able to fully focus on the war. Brann Bronzebeard literally saved Zandalar from destruction, as the main character of the G'Huun/Uldir storyline. Furthermore, Brann and the Alliance convinced MOTHER to join Magni at the Chamber of the Heart, thereby indirectly saving the day later in 8.3 (as MOTHER plays a major role in Ny'alotha and she's there thanks to Brann and the Alliance).

- The Golden Fleet: It is mentioned right after G'Huun's defeat that Rastakhan pledged the Golden Fleet to the Horde. Therefore, Lady Proudmoore's attack on Dazar'alor was justified. Thereby, Lady Proudmoore did nothing wrong.

[huth]

- The Golden Fleet: It is mentioned right after G'Huun's defeat that Rastakhan pledged the Golden Fleet to the Horde. Therefore, Lady Proudmoore's attack on Dazar'alor was justified. Thereby, Lady Proudmoore did nothing wrong.

Not sure why this would even matter. The factions were in open war and it was a military target.

[Joshuaj]

A surprisingly good save on the part of the writers on that point, especially as they further cover themselves in being able to write them out entirely, as the text is careful to make the First Ones being actual entities entirely a religious belief on the part of the SL leaders rather than an in-universe fact. So you could easily have the Zereths themselves be the First Ones, or in keeping with the Sepulcher thing, have them have scattered into their respective progenitor realms. This also saves you from having to characterize them and completely dodges the Titans 2.0 issue.

Tbf here, Odyn's Edicts also has it to where Order can't just outright tell players that they know of the First Ones lol

[Cheezits]

New Void Lord named Invalidus is namedropped in Chronicles.

Also confirmation of a fifth old god that disappeared by the time the Titans arrived.

[Joshuaj]

I'm kinda ok with this new version of the first ones but I still don't like that the titans themselves might be created as robots as well.

Tbf here, we knew nothing of the First Ones themselves prior to now. Them being like the source of the forces, or at the very least named the forces after themselves (especially since they have a part of themselves for their design) is honestly pretty cool.

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Also, the forces being taken from the Progenitors themselves and being named after them would explain why they're capitalized loool

[Enrif]

New Void Lord named Invalidus is namedropped in Chronicles.

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=81215/invalidus
Not sure if it is a capital Void Lord, or just a void lord, aka buffed up voidwalker.

Also confirmation of a fifth old god that disappeared by the time the Titans arrived.

i'm not finding that. Which page?
I only see this:

Thousands of years ago, when the titans first visited Azeroth, they found the planet uncorrupted but under siege by four powerful Void beings known as the Old Gods.

[Joshuaj]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=81215/invalidus
Not sure if it is a capital Void Lord, or just a void lord, aka buffed up voidwalker.



i'm not finding that. Which page?
I only see this:

Void Lords aren't capitalized in Chronicle

[KOUNTERPARTS]

New Void Lord named Invalidus is namedropped in Chronicles.

Interesting. Funny name too.

Also confirmation of a fifth old god that disappeared by the time the Titans arrived.

Unironically "big, if true"

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Tbf here, Odyn's Edicts also has it to where Order can't just outright tell players that they know of the First Ones lol

Really, seeing "Order" have to be capitalized in this capacity makes me want to claw out my eyes. Oh, look! It's the metaphysical concept of Order—but not really, because it's actually just another bloc of squabbling magical forces that aren't really that different in presentation. Yes, of course they're all in some capacity symmetrical because there's no difference between Pokemon types and fundamental cosmic forces.

Man, imagine if we got to touch on these high-concept ideas without an unnecessary Cosmic Chart of six wholly equal and equally bland prongs you need to stretch to give any personality.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Not sure why this would even matter. The factions were in open war and it was a military target.

It only matters in Varodoc's very limited perspective of the lore and what matters to them: pro-Alliance spin on any narrative/story plot point.

[Enrif]

Void Lords aren't capitalized in Chronicle

Not quite , there is one place in the chronicles were they are capitalized.

Here dwelled the Pale, a group of orcs who worshipped the Void Lords.

All other uses of the term void lord are not capitalized, even in the part about Sargeras fear about them turning a world to the void. But the Pale worshipping the Void Lords is capitalized, but the void lord Invalidus isn't capitalized.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It only matters in Varodoc's very limited perspective of the lore and what matters to them: pro-Alliance spin on any narrative/story plot point.

While I'll eternally shill for the faction war, post-BfA faction shilling has become truly insufferable. You'd swear there's more important things to talk about than which fictional bloc are really Duh Gud Guys, especially when the current portrayal of both of them is so butchered there's more to talk about re: how they were butchered on a meta level than on any in-universe level.

[Lady Atia]

Reading the new chronicles, it seems like Pandaria wasn't the only continent that had parts of Y'Shaarj?

"over centuries, new civilizations formed atop one of these pieces. It would later be known as Pandaria."

[Joshuaj]

Really, seeing "Order" have to be capitalized in this capacity makes me want to claw out my eyes. Oh, look! It's the metaphysical concept of Order—but not really, because it's actually just another bloc of squabbling magical forces that aren't really that different in presentation. Yes, of course they're all in some capacity symmetrical because there's no difference between Pokemon types and fundamental cosmic forces.

Man, imagine if we got to touch on these high-concept ideas without an unnecessary Cosmic Chart of six wholly equal and equally bland prongs you need to stretch to give any personality.

Considering Chronicle seemingly has the First Ones as the forces themselves, or at the very least the Forces are extensions of the First Ones (similar to how the universe is somewhat an extension of God in religion) and are named after them as a result, it makes sense for it to be capitalized.

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Not quite , there is one place in the chronicles were they are capitalized.


All other uses of the term void lord are not capitalized, even in the part about Sargeras fear about them turning a world to the void. But the Pale worshipping the Void Lords is capitalized, but the void lord Invalidus isn't capitalized.

It's just inconsistent then. The word titan can either be capitalized or not capitalized as well

[huth]

Reading the new chronicles, it seems like Pandaria wasn't the only continent that had parts of Y'Shaarj?

"over centuries, new civilizations formed atop one of these pieces. It would later be known as Pandaria."

Considering that pulling him out created the Well of Eternity, that's kind of a given.

[Enrif]

Reading the new chronicles, it seems like Pandaria wasn't the only continent that had parts of Y'Shaarj?

"over centuries, new civilizations formed atop one of these pieces. It would later be known as Pandaria."

Makes sense, though we don't know where else. Assuming Y'shaarj was ripped out where the Maelstrom is on the map, it should have pieces on Kezan and Zandalar, perhaps also Khaz Algar.

Also while talking about islands. The Map in chronciles 4 has no Dragon Isles nor Khaz Algar on it, but a island of the coast of Kalimdor i can not identify what it is supposed to be. It is east of Thousand Needles/Tanaris. Below Kezan, west of Pandaria.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Considering Chronicle seemingly has the First Ones as the forces themselves, or at the very least the Forces are extensions of the First Ones (similar to how the universe is somewhat an extension of God in religion) and are named after them as a result, it makes sense for it to be capitalized.

You entirely miss my point. I'm saying that having a six-pronged chart of fully-equal, strictly-categorized (but far from well-defined) cosmic forces reduced to nothing but set pieces portrayed to the audience through pantheons of boring, personality-deprived shells was the underlying mistake.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Edit: heres the full text from that entry

As some one who hates the idea of the first ones I was fine with the dies of them being jsut light and void which clashes and mass every thing, and while this time technically that as it’s every power I think it’s close enough to do away with the problem The first ones caused.

[Alanar]

Not sure why this would even matter. The factions were in open war and it was a military target.

It also means nothing for Jaina.

[Joshuaj]

You entirely miss my point. I'm saying that having a six-pronged chart of fully-equal, strictly-categorized (but far from well-defined) cosmic forces reduced to nothing but set pieces portrayed to the audience through pantheons of boring, personality-deprived shells was the underlying mistake.

Elaborate?