The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Kinda funny to think about, if all the Zandalari stuff happens after all of KT that means the horde attacked Brennadam not because they were already fighting the alliance in the area but as a straight up land grab/just for the slaughter.

And then Rexxar comes along and acts like it’s Jiana in the wrong like an absolute tool.

[Santandame]

Kinda funny to think about, if all the Zandalari stuff happens after all of KT that means the horde attacked Brennadam not because they were already fighting the alliance in the area but as a straight up land grab/just for the slaughter.

And then Rexxar comes along and acts like it’s Jiana in the wrong like an absolute tool.

And that Drustvar was still full of Witches and the Drust after Gorak Tul was defeated during the Kul Tiras levelling.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And that Drustvar was still full of Witches and the Drust after Gorak Tul was defeated during the Kul Tiras levelling.

Ya the whole thing is such a crap shoot.

Don’t now how you get basic stuff like this wrong the other chronicles didn’t run into this issue.

[Alanar]

That bfa stuff such a shit show.

The timing of things, especially because its so long ago, to then find out this happends when these people did, this and that.

[Joshuaj]

It didn't, they just added that usually, cosmic forces dip in more elements than just their own, which we already saw in Shadowlands. People are just hating on Shadowlands and see everything that adds on new lore on top as "retcon", see the chronicles IV discussion.

That's what I took from the War Within book as well

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"Unlike our ancestors, we don't limit our thinking of the cosmos to monopole elemental phase spaces. A discredited notion rooted in ancient myths from old Arathor. A comforting, if technically incorrect arrangement of the fundamental forces of the cosmos.

One wonders if such quaint notions would have faded but for creatures like demons and the Old Gods who work primarily through a single energy types. This conflation of culture and dimensional topology holds back so many otherwise promising mages.

Put simply, the cosmos appears as a hexateron. Imagine a four-sided tetrahedron internally extruded to form a multidimensional solid with twenty planes of existence, fifteen transitory pathways, and six vertices where interferon patterns create monopolar expressions of cosmic forces.

Singular energy types are unstable according to Ogdaen's law, and thus they bind to one or more secondary elements. The Firelands contains as much magma as it does flame, and why the holy radiance of the Sacred Flame acts as an eternal beacon.

Enough preamble! Let's get to the fun part! Logic proofs. Let us start with a foundational equation:
Phi(M1, M2) = k* (Sigma(C1+ C2 + ... + Cn) + Sigma(D1 + D2 + ... + Dn))
<The rest of this tome consists of 627 more pages of symbolic logic and their proofs. Broken up by the occasional anecdote about mage tower hijinx, the debunking of a historical myth, or a truly terrible dad pun.>"



Adding more cosmic debate, especially one that points that cosmic charts are wrong, only dilutes the consistent of the previous debate.

That's just the arathi saying other charts are wrong only to come to the same conclusion in a different manner

[micwini]

That's what I took from the War Within book as well

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That's just the arathi saying other charts are wrong only to come to the same conclusion in a different manner

No. It means the cosmic forces aren't neatly divided into their own little boxes and can't go out of them. Like someone else said: Cosmic forces are dipping into eachother, mostly the ones they are most closely related with. Most prominent example being the Legion using Fel, Shadow/void and fire. It makes sense too. If I could manipulate light, that means I could also manipulate shadow, seeing they are polar opposites. The patterns make sense.

[Lady Atia]

Someone didn’t play The Burning Crusade.

Hey, atleast with TBC they have the excuse of it being the first expansion. Sure they wasted a lot of characters there but they made up for that thanks to Chronicles, Legion and Shadowlands. More often than not, retcons ARE good.

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No. It means the cosmic forces aren't neatly divided into their own little boxes and can't go out of them. Like someone else said: Cosmic forces are dipping into eachother, mostly the ones they are most closely related with. Most prominent example being the Legion using Fel, Shadow/void and fire. It makes sense too. If I could manipulate light, that means I could also manipulate shadow, seeing they are polar opposites. The patterns make sense.

But again, we literally saw that with Shadowlands? Bastion was dipping into arcane and holy juice, Revendreth uses blood magic and Ardenweald magic is just the other side of the coin of life magic. They even had a quest basically telling us that necromancy f.e. can be done by any cosmic force, it's not limited to "death magic".

[Joshuaj]

No. It means the cosmic forces aren't neatly divided into their own little boxes and can't go out of them. Like someone else said: Cosmic forces are dipping into eachother, mostly the ones they are most closely related with. Most prominent example being the Legion using Fel, Shadow/void and fire. It makes sense too. If I could manipulate light, that means I could also manipulate shadow, seeing they are polar opposites. The patterns make sense.

That just means "the magics of the forces can combine and connect". Again, the Arathi are saying shit only to come to the exact same conclusion q

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Powers exist, magics of said powers intersect and connect.

Simple as that.

[Gurahk]

Kinda funny to think about, if all the Zandalari stuff happens after all of KT that means the horde attacked Brennadam not because they were already fighting the alliance in the area but as a straight up land grab/just for the slaughter.

And then Rexxar comes along and acts like it’s Jiana in the wrong like an absolute tool.

Was Brennadam mentioned in the chronicles? Because I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a Quillboar invasion but was changed to a Horde one at the last second.

[Varodoc]

As a remainder, nothing in Chronicles contradicts the Horde's massacre at Brennadam, as it is part of the Alliance levelling storyline, not the Horde.

Chronicles confirms that the order of Kul Tiras is Stormsong Valley > Drustvar > Tiragarde Sound. Therefore, the Horde's massacre at Brennadam Canonically happens early on into the Kul Tiran storyline.

So if you thought that Chronicles would absolve the Horde of the massacre they conducted at Brennadam... well... guess again. This is very much still Canon, and a stain (amongst many) of the Horde.




Chronicles simply confirms that the Horde massacre at Brennadam is simply one of the "opening acts" of the War in Kul Tiras, as the Canonical order is Stormsong Valley > Drustvar > Tiragarde > Zandalar.

[The-Shan]

did they change the burning of teldrassil at all? like elaborate on HOW the catapults were able to do that?

[huth]

No. It means the cosmic forces aren't neatly divided into their own little boxes and can't go out of them. Like someone else said: Cosmic forces are dipping into eachother, mostly the ones they are most closely related with. Most prominent example being the Legion using Fel, Shadow/void and fire. It makes sense too. If I could manipulate light, that means I could also manipulate shadow, seeing they are polar opposites. The patterns make sense.

Which we've known about for years. This isn't news. The joke is the sesquipedalian locaciousness and arrogance of the writer, not the content.

[Joshuaj]

So...whenever I talk about the First Ones now, I guess I have to call them "Light" "Shadow" "Order", etc?

[Monkal]

That bfa stuff such a shit show.

YES!! I don't get how they allow someone with such a hate-boner for the Horde write how BFA went! That expansion is already so divisive because of choices the story team made at the time and then they go and DOUBLE DOWN on the "Horde bad" beat to the point of making the plot nonsensical.

Which we've known about for years. This isn't news. The joke is the sesquipedalian locaciousness and arrogance of the writer, not the content.

...That's clearly meant to be written in a tongue-in-cheek tone because the titanforge are big nerds? I swear to god some people on this forum act like Blizzard is after them or smth.

[Varodoc]

Chronicles IV hasn't done anything to make the Horde look worse than BfA already did years ago.

The decision to make Brann and the Alliance's role in Uldir Canon is just a bone thrown at the Alliance, which previously felt very disconnected from that raid's storyline.

Go back in time and you will see many complaints about how the Alliance "felt out of place" in Uldir. Chronicles simply rectified that mistake, one of the many mistakes of the BfA expansion, which was evidently Horde-centric.

[Cheezits]

So this new Hearthstone card reminded me that Talanji basically hits every element of Midnight, in some way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSpDHV9a...jpg&name=large

-Queen that the Amani submit to
-Former Holy (Rezan) Priestess
-Now Death (Bwonsamdi) Priestess (which may play a part in the fight against the Scourge that could happen)
-History of dealing with Old God/Void forces

Like she arguably fits the expansion more than Lor'themar and Vereesa do.

[Varodoc]

So this new Hearthstone card reminded me that Talanji basically hits every element of Midnight, in some way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSpDHV9a...jpg&name=large

-Queen that the Amani submit to
-Former Holy (Rezan) Priestess
-Now Death (Bwonsamdi) Priestess (which may play a part in the fight against the Scourge that could happen)
-History of dealing with Old God/Void forces

Like she arguably fits the expansion more than Lor'themar and Vereesa do.

This is really stretching it. No, I don't think that Talanji will be important in Midnight at all.

Frankly, I foresee Thrall returning as the Horde's main lead in Midnight. He is after all the one who banished Deathwing, one of the Void's foremost servants, and the one who accepted the Blood Elves into the Horde. Oh, and he was also the warchief when the Horde (and ONLY the Horde) raided Zul Aman in TBC.

[huth]

...That's clearly meant to be written in a tongue-in-cheek tone because the titanforge are big nerds? I swear to god some people on this forum act like Blizzard is after them or smth.

The in-universe writer. Not whoever at Blizzard wrote the text.

[Monkal]

The in-universe writer. Not whoever at Blizzard wrote the text.

Oh okay, sorry for the misunderstanding XD

[Enrif]

So...whenever I talk about the First Ones now, I guess I have to call them "Light" "Shadow" "Order", etc?

i think the "actual" names might be what Saezurah (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Saezurah) says: Mortis. Lumen. Ordus. Vitae. Umbra. Tumult.