The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

i think the "actual" names might be what Saezurah (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Saezurah) says: Mortis. Lumen. Ordus. Vitae. Umbra. Tumult.

Now that I think about it ... the "Sepulcher of the First Ones" suddenly sounds quite literate haha.

[Super Dickmann]

As palatable as that justification is, it happens to bring up the classic Blizzard problem of raising more questions—namely, did the massive, notably non-Death-related factory just spontaneously generate in the Shadowlands as the Boltzmann Brain with the lowest IQ on record?

The robots are an emergent phenomenon, like the lifeforms that build up in that little jar in your fridge that you forgot about because it was hidden by other things. Before long they're producing advanced technology and telling you how only they can stop What Is To Come (TM).

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The cosmic chart etc. is something out of universe, it's not something your average joe knows. It would be weird if some random researcher would reveal how the cosmic forces interact etc. While the cosmic Chart is the view from outside in, this book is what it would look like from the inside out with very little context.

If that proves true, it's a bit amusing how much more interesting and consistent with pre-Chronicles lore the misconception is than the fully compartmentalized six-pronged chart. Actually touches on the only remotely interesting part of the Shadowlands cosmology also, since it actually can be considered divine geometry in any capacity.

The robots are an emergent phenomenon, like the lifeforms that build up in that little jar in your fridge that you forgot about because it was hidden by other things. Before long they're producing advanced technology and telling you how only they can stop What Is To Come (TM).

All perfectly acceptable. At the very least, the idea of Zereth Mortis just being a kind of introspection or self-realization of the metaphysical force of Death that happens to manifest as a factory floating in the aether is much more interesting than "duh titens but BEEG!!!" and does something to make the cosmology feel more transcendent and alien while also leaving room for the expression of different forces to be anything more than "funni aliens with [associated color] in leveling zones". And here I was worried any attempts at fixing the cosmology would sum to slapping band-aids on neck stumps.

[Reive]

this is what i want from wow: less main narrative about the azeroth version of the avengers and more side quests/world building. the devs are not good at telling long stories, so they should not focus on them

[SkyTides]

I enjoyed most of the shadowlands lore (minus the jailer/sylvanas stuff) there was stuff in there I really wanted to learn more about which was never elaborated, and I'm sad it may never be:
The Drust and the Devourers - who were seemingly coming from between the realms we visited. The whole shadowlands felt Ordered to the hilt, and it seemed these guys may have been the original 'Death realm'. The mushroom guy in Ardenweald even mentioned something about the time before the Winter queen was around.

I am of the opinion that the death realm has been heavily ordered to create the anima cycle going on there, which explains the robots being made in the Zereth. So how did Order come to have such a massive control of this realm? Maybe the shadowlands is just an ordered construct stuck on top of the real death realm to maintain control of the cycle of life, and in some places the original devourers etc have broken through

[Dracullus]

Even if going to afterlife idea was extremely stupid (same as overcomplicated "past but not past" alternate universe), I enjoyed 9.0 as well, both world building (we never had so diverse zones in wow history) and plot. They set up mysteries (especially Jailer/Sylvanas plan and Primus fate) pretty well.. they just didn't have answers. Like a magic trick without prestige.

[Darkarath]

this is what i want from wow: less main narrative about the azeroth version of the avengers and more side quests/world building. the devs are not good at telling long stories, so they should not focus on them

In principle, this more focused main story with more optional side quests seems a clear win for everyone IMO, but until I play TWW I will remain skeptical.

Hype is rising BTW. Where is my Faerin short story???

I am of the opinion that the death realm has been heavily ordered to create the anima cycle going on there, which explains the robots being made in the Zereth. So how did Order come to have such a massive control of this realm? Maybe the shadowlands is just an ordered construct stuck on top of the real death realm to maintain control of the cycle of life, and in some places the original devourers etc have broken through

Good point. Maybe the Titans were "orderly" created by the First Ones to the point that they became too focused in ordering everything, even other Cosmic forces. The Eternal Ones seem far weaker than a regular Titan. Maybe they were conquered and given a new purpose, or rather, they were killed and re-created with new memories and objectives.

The Titans might have even killed their creators, the First Ones, as they probably were attuned to different Cosmic powers, and they might have not liked that.

I certainly would like and expect to see the Devourers again. K'aresh might be the perfect place for them to come back in some form.

[Varodoc]

In hindsight, I would have preferred more questlines in Tiragarde Sound/Drustvar/Stormsong Valley and much fewer quests in the War Campaign.

I approve of this change.

This is the "World" of Warcraft, not the "Movie" of Warcraft. More world-building quests, fewer "bad attempt to recreate Game of Thrones" """"main campaign"""" quests, ty.

[huth]

If that proves true, it's a bit amusing how much more interesting and consistent with pre-Chronicles lore the misconception is than the fully compartmentalized six-pronged chart. Actually touches on the only remotely interesting part of the Shadowlands cosmology also, since it actually can be considered divine geometry in any capacity.

You're attributing things to the chart it doesn't actually say. There is no indication whatsoever on the chart that the powers don't interact or in what way they do, nor is that it's purpose. It's simply a graphical representation of what powers exist.

Blizzard even went so far and outright stated it does not show any relations between the powers back when it first released.

[Alanar]

YES!! I don't get how they allow someone with such a hate-boner for the Horde write how BFA went! That expansion is already so divisive because of choices the story team made at the time and then they go and DOUBLE DOWN on the "Horde bad" beat to the point of making the plot nonsensical.

Realistically, no one really cares in the end and its a little late to come at players, saying this happends then and then this and eventually this. I mean, we played through that years ago. Having a good idea or atleast "I was able to follow the story" its kinda cringe, how certain character then come out of this. I mean rexxar a tool, because the timing is suddenly differnt. No one will take that serious, even tho its canon. Its like sure.. what ever. Kinda like, easy talking afterwards.

But ye its kinda nonsensical I agree.

[Varodoc]

Realistically, no one really cares in the end and its a little late to come at players, saying this happends then and then this and eventually this. I mean, we played through that years ago. Having a good idea or atleast "I was able to follow the story" its kinda cringe, how certain character then come out of this. I mean rexxar a tool, because the timing is suddenly differnt. No one will take that serious, even tho its canon. Its like sure.. what ever. Kinda like, easy talking afterwards.

But ye its kinda nonsensical I agree.

Speak for yourself. I care and I take it seriously and I find the "changes" (more like confirmations) made to BfA both creative and unique.

[Scyth]

Hype is rising BTW. Where is my Faerin short story???

I think that one won't be released and you'll have to get the book for it, but could be mistaken.

I'm personally waiting for the animated shorts, hope we get them this time as well.

[Murlocos]

In a massive win for all in-universe text Chronicle believers, there's a page where it says that "Uther met the players". Hopefully we'll see this new replacement for 'champions' more in TWW, perhaps in an address by Queen Calia.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

In a massive win for all in-universe text Chronicle believers, there's a page where it says that "Uther met the players". Hopefully we'll see this new replacement for 'champions' more in TWW, perhaps in an address by Queen Calia.

Clearly, Blizzard only means that in the sense that they're players in the great game of history. All really Shakespearean.

[Nightshade711]

As a remainder, nothing in Chronicles contradicts the Horde's massacre at Brennadam, as it is part of the Alliance levelling storyline, not the Horde.

Chronicles confirms that the order of Kul Tiras is Stormsong Valley > Drustvar > Tiragarde Sound. Therefore, the Horde's massacre at Brennadam Canonically happens early on into the Kul Tiran storyline.

So if you thought that Chronicles would absolve the Horde of the massacre they conducted at Brennadam... well... guess again. This is very much still Canon, and a stain (amongst many) of the Horde.




Chronicles simply confirms that the Horde massacre at Brennadam is simply one of the "opening acts" of the War in Kul Tiras, as the Canonical order is Stormsong Valley > Drustvar > Tiragarde > Zandalar.

Chronicles basically confirms that every expansion after Cataclysm was the horde’s fault or was the fallout from the horde’s actions.

[Super Dickmann]

In a massive win for all in-universe text Chronicle believers, there's a page where it says that "Uther met the players". Hopefully we'll see this new replacement for 'champions' more in TWW, perhaps in an address by Queen Calia.

Clearly, the comment refers to how virile the heroes are.

[Varodoc]

Chronicles basically confirms that every expansion after Cataclysm was the horde’s fault or was the fallout from the horde’s actions.

Which, I mean... let's be real, did you need Chronicles IV to figure that out?

MoP, WoD, and Legion were Garrosh's fault. BfA and SL were Sylvanas' fault. This was obvious long before Chronicles IV confirmed it once again.

[Nightshade711]

Which, I mean... let's be real, did you need Chronicles IV to figure that out?

MoP, WoD, and Legion were Garrosh's fault. BfA and SL were Sylvanas' fault. This was obvious long before Chronicles IV confirmed it once again.

Even DF and the world soul saga are the horde’s fault.
If the Jailer didn’t do what he did Azeroth wouldn’t have started to awaken.

And in chronicle the horde were responsible for the crucible of storms and freeing Xal’atath if I remember correctly.

[Varodoc]

Even DF and the world soul saga are the horde’s fault.
If the Jailer didn’t do what he did Azeroth wouldn’t have started to awaken.

And in chronicle the horde were responsible for the crucible of storms and freeing Xal’atath if I remember correctly.

Yes. I've also read on the official forums and X that Chronicles IV confirms, once again, that the Horde de-facto started the war in Cataclysm.

Just so that people can finally stop painting High King Varian as some crazy villain.

[Ersula]

Yes. I've also read on the official forums and X that Chronicles IV confirms, once again, that the Horde de-facto started the war in Cataclysm.

I don't think the Pandarians would describe it that way, considering the Alliance were the first to colonize one of their ancient temples.