The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

Even DF and the world soul saga are the horde’s fault.
If the Jailer didn’t do what he did Azeroth wouldn’t have started to awaken.

And in chronicle the horde were responsible for the crucible of storms and freeing Xal’atath if I remember correctly.

Yes. I've also read on the official forums and X that Chronicles IV confirms, once again, that the Horde de-facto started the war in Cataclysm.

Just so that people can finally stop painting High King Varian as some crazy villain.

[Ersula]

Yes. I've also read on the official forums and X that Chronicles IV confirms, once again, that the Horde de-facto started the war in Cataclysm.

I don't think the Pandarians would describe it that way, considering the Alliance were the first to colonize one of their ancient temples.

[Varodoc]

I don't think the Pandarians would describe it that way, considering the Alliance were the first to colonize one of their ancient temples.

Oh look, "colonize", one of the buzzwords of the Millennial generation.

Anyway, the Alliance did not "colonize" an "ancient pandaren temple", they occupied an abandoned mogu fortress.

[loras]

Oh look, "colonize", one of the buzzwords of the Millennial generation.

Anyway, the Alliance did not "colonize" an "ancient pandaren temple", they occupied an abandoned mogu fortress.

Hey don't pin the "colonisers bad!" retardation on us, that's impressionable zoomer stuff and islamic apologist stuff.
The gender retardation is ours though, to my annoyance.

Remember we lived through 9/11, we know that they blame everyone except themselves and thereby permanently sabotage themselves.

[Joshuaj]

this is what i want from wow: less main narrative about the azeroth version of the avengers and more side quests/world building. the devs are not good at telling long stories, so they should not focus on them

That's actually so lame...

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Yes. I've also read on the official forums and X that Chronicles IV confirms, once again, that the Horde de-facto started the war in Cataclysm.

Just so that people can finally stop painting High King Varian as some crazy villain.

Y'all gotta stop with this weird horde hate-fest.

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I don't think the Pandarians would describe it that way, considering the Alliance were the first to colonize one of their ancient temples.

Weren't the Horde the first ones to actually build bases across Pandaria tho? Or at least, that's what I thought?

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Honestly, it's a significantly better position than what they have currently. I hope this isn't just a misguided jab at people rightfully bitching about the cosmic chart but an actual implication as to how the system really works.

It does work like this tho...

Also, weird thing to quote since the equation part is utter nonsense.

[Sondrelk]

Clearly, the comment refers to how virile the heroes are.

Argent Dawn server soft-confirmed canon timeline

[Zardas]

Which, I mean... let's be real, did you need Chronicles IV to figure that out?

MoP, WoD, and Legion were Garrosh's fault. BfA and SL were Sylvanas' fault. This was obvious long before Chronicles IV confirmed it once again.

Yeah, the game would be pretty boring without our glorious Horde.

[Ersula]

Oh look, "colonize", one of the buzzwords of the Millennial generation.

Anyway, the Alliance did not "colonize" an "ancient pandaren temple", they occupied an abandoned mogu fortress.

Imagine if a foreign nation started moving into Detroit because it was "abandoned." That would still be colonization. That mogu fortress is literally 30 feet from a Pandarian town, double that distance from the literal capital of Pandaria.

[Alanar]

Speak for yourself. I care and I take it seriously and I find the "changes" (more like confirmations) made to BfA both creative and unique.

Maybe for a select few I guess, but it simply doesn't matter anymore.

[milkmustache]

That's actually so lame...

Is it? The main storylines for the past 2 expansions have been pretty hefty duds, while the side stories are lauded. Leveling/questing is clearly a minority interest in WoW nowadays, so rushing the MSQ a bit and allowing lore interest to be spread through zone local quests that are optional and reward things like cosmetics or just for lore enjoyment is a nice compromise considering we'll never return to Vanilla-adjacent questing in the game.

Anyway-- anyone think yesterday's update pushed to today could be our music build??

[huth]

Imagine if a foreign nation started moving into Detroit because it was "abandoned." That would still be colonization. That mogu fortress is literally 30 feet from a Pandarian town, double that distance from the literal capital of Pandaria.

Imagine a foreign nation building a military camp in some abandoned ruins of a long dead nation. Because that's what it actually resembles.

There's certainly issues with it, but colonisation isn't even on the list.

[Varodoc]

A long-dead civilization of pure evil slavers that actively enslaved the continent's current rulers who shouldn't feel any sympathy whatsoever.

Defending the Mogu Empire... it has truly come to this.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

In a massive win for all in-universe text Chronicle believers, there's a page where it says that "Uther met the players". Hopefully we'll see this new replacement for 'champions' more in TWW, perhaps in an address by Queen Calia.

Does it really use the word players? Man I thought using class for the order halls was bad but that’s some next level lazy/lack of care.

[Joshuaj]

So...based off what I read, would the First Ones be akin to Yog-Sothoth but for WoW? The forces we see in the cosmology chart are basically extensions of them.

[Ersula]

Imagine a foreign nation building a military camp in some abandoned ruins of a long dead nation. Because that's what it actually resembles.

There's certainly issues with it, but colonisation isn't even on the list.

Pretty sure the Pandarians would consider Pandaria a Pandarian nation, actually. Like I said, there are Panda settlements everywhere, in direct vicinity to where the Alliance landed. It's textbook colonization.

A long-dead civilization of pure evil slavers that actively enslaved the continent's current rulers who shouldn't feel any sympathy whatsoever.

Defending the Mogu Empire... it has truly come to this.

Nobody said this. Pandaria is Pandarian. We're talking about how according to Chronicles 4, THIS happened before the Horde attacked the Alliance.

[Khaza-R]

Pretty sure the Pandarians would consider Pandaria a Pandarian nation, actually. Like I said, there are Panda settlements everywhere, in direct vicinity to where the Alliance landed. It's textbook colonization.

You're confusing imperialism with colonization.

Neither the Alliance or Horde appeared to have build any installations on Pandaria with the intention of permanently re-settling citizens there. Their involvement was military control and to ultimately exploit Pandaria for its resources.

[Ersula]

You're confusing imperialism with colonization.

Neither the Alliance or Horde appeared to have build any installations on Pandaria with the intention of permanently re-settling citizens there. Their involvement was military control and to ultimately exploit Pandaria for its resources.

Yeah but that's worse. You get how that's worse, right? Colonization & Imperialism are just two, very similar, kinds of colonialism.

[Raetary]

Why is it that everytime the faction discourse(tm) pops up this thread gets turned into a 4chan board?

[Varodoc]

Pretty sure the Pandarians would consider Pandaria a Pandarian nation, actually. Like I said, there are Panda settlements everywhere, in direct vicinity to where the Alliance landed. It's textbook colonization.
Nobody said this. Pandaria is Pandarian. We're talking about how according to Chronicles 4, THIS happened before the Horde attacked the Alliance.

Can you link something of use instead? Like for instance the scan from Chronicles IV stating this?

[Joshuaj]

Don't make me take out Chronicle 4 on y'all...