The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

I hate this whole "It doesn't make sense for a racial city to be in expansion content".

Once 11.0 releases, Dragon Isles won't be "expansion content", it'll be base game.

[Polybius]

What speculations did they do? Also WoW doesn't really have "non canon" material in the way SW does...

The only real "non canon" stuff comes from the RPG and the Comics. And even then, some RPG stuff is used in the canon itself still.

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Weren't the names "Gorshalach" and "Taeshalach" originally from the RPG? They're in the canon still, but namely as separate blades now.

ICC being an engine (predates BfA), the Old God locations, Titans being dead (predates WotLK), Azeroth being a Titan (predates Chronicle and Legion), troll and night elf shared ancestry, etc.

Loudest criticisms have been against elf lore.

[Gurahk]

I just want the main cities to be updated with modern graphics.
Imagine all of Stormwind with the graphical fidelity of Boralus, or an updated Orgrimmar with entire new sections such as an Iron Horde inspired railway that lead to the other side of Kalimdor.

[Revamp Man]

Wrathion is Deathwing's grandson, not his son.

who is his father then?? because unless the mandella effect has happened it is neltharion

oh no...we are gonna get sabellian as his daddy...i know it

[Dracullus]

I hate this whole "It doesn't make sense for a racial city to be in expansion content".

Once 11.0 releases, Dragon Isles won't be "expansion content", it'll be base game.

I would say other way around, if they do something as grand as remaking whole new city, I would like it to be current expansion focus, not old one. What would be the point, you would visit city, say "neat" and never go back there again.

[Nymrohd]

who is his father then?? because unless the mandella effect has happened it is neltharion

oh no...we are gonna get sabellian as his daddy...i know it

We don't know tbh. The thing is, only Sintharia could survive sex with Old God-corrupted Deathwing, any other broodmother would perish. We only really know his mother was Nyxondra who IS a sister of Onyxia, Nefarian and Sabellian. Meanwhile Sabellian is Neltharion's eldest son and was his heir apparent.

[Khaza-R]

who is his father then?? because unless the mandella effect has happened it is neltharion

oh no...we are gonna get sabellian as his daddy...i know it

A lot of people confused the relation since Wrathion calls Deathing his father in game for whatever reason.

Sabellian being his father I guess is possible. I am assuming there is some level of incest among dragons and they might have completely different concepts of familial bonds than mortals do.

Personally, I think we will get something much more cliche like Wrathion and Sabellian bonding and the latter handling over leadership to Wrathion because he proved himself or something.

[Biomega]

Personally, I think we will get something much more cliche like Wrathion and Sabellian bonding and the latter handling over leadership to Wrathion because he proved himself or something.

It's possible, but I personally expect them to go the other way: Wrathion realizing he should yield the aspect position to Sabellian, that he is not ready to take the mantle of leadership, and that he can do more good as a free agent.

Which is probably what Blizzard prefers, because it allows them to slot the character in many more ways than they could with someone shouldering aspect responsibility. ESPECIALLY if they bring back Anduin and want to revive that whole dynamic.

[Gurahk]

It would be hilarious if Ebonhorn was picked as the aspect.

[Catastrophy349]

Happy New Year’s Eve! I’m really excited to see this channel alive again after a period of silence/very limited conversation.

Now, we have a roadmap and many in-game hints as to where we are going next. I was thinking that maybe we could have a discussion/speculate on what we think 10.1 will be? This conversation can also involve 10.0.7 prelude stuff or post 10.1, too. What do we think?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Yeah no don't put the new NE capitol in the Dragon Isles, leave it elsewhere.

[Hitei]

...Wrathion realizing he should yield the aspect position to Sabellian, that he is not ready to take the mantle of leadership...

I dunno why people keep acting like Wrathion has no leadership experience and is some greenhorn who needs to prove that can handle leading people.

The guy has, since infancy and for nearly a decade, been leading the Blacktalon, a world-spanning network of dozens spies and operatives. Your very first introduction to Wrathion is that he is nearly innately able to lead people, right out of the shell. Everyone also seems to repeat this idea that he has no experience leading other dragons, forgetting that Fahrad was a black dragon who recognized his authority and willingly followed him until the whispers overcame his loyalty. He also has, on three sperate occasions, directed player characters.

Considering that Sabellians only leadership experience pre-DF is the absolute colossal failure of helping Deathwing (i.e. following orders, not making leadership decisions) settle black dragons in hostile territory in northern Draenor, where nearly all of them were wiped out in the ensuing conflict; and then directing the player character to kill gronn in revenge... I feel like, if anything, Sabellian's leadership experience is really the one in question.

[Nymrohd]

Wrathion has tried to do the Aspects' job since the moment he was born. Sabellian never cared about the Oath of the Aspects; he is the de facto leader of the black dragonflight (Given almost the entire flight recognizes him as such and owes their existence to him) but he has never shown any interest in the duties of the Aspect of the Earth. Wrathion has worked for the title, Sabellian just expects to inherit it just because he was Neltharion's heir; well Deathwing broke that Oath and his choice means shit.

[Biomega]

I dunno why people keep acting like Wrathion has no leadership experience and is some greenhorn who needs to prove that can handle leading people.

Probably because he's literally what, 10-15 years old? Whereas Sabellian is... several thousand?

Being an aspect isn't just any ol' management position. It's one of the if not THE highest position any Azerothian entity could fill.

[Hitei]

Probably because he's literally what, 10-15 years old? Whereas Sabellian is... several thousand?

Being an aspect isn't just any ol' management position. It's one of the if not THE highest position any Azerothian entity could fill.

Sabellian's timeline goes as far back as the old Horde, so decades. Wrathion has done more leading in his 10-15 years than Sabellian has in his entire existence. He's not a 15 year old human child. He's a titan-infused drake who was conscious in his shell and even then planning out how to turn the tables on the red dragons who planned on keeping him captive, and has been leading a spy organization that rivals SI;7 since being a toddler.

This is exactly the problem. It is an important position and instead of actually looking at the leadership experience both dragons have you're going "Um yeah, but Wrathion is younger?". Wrathion is the one who has management experience, and, as Nymrohd said, is the only black dragon in the past 20,000 years to actually do the job responsibilities of that position we are talking about filling.

[Revamp Man]

A lot of people confused the relation since Wrathion calls Deathing his father in game for whatever reason.

Sabellian being his father I guess is possible. I am assuming there is some level of incest among dragons and they might have completely different concepts of familial bonds than mortals do.

Personally, I think we will get something much more cliche like Wrathion and Sabellian bonding and the latter handling over leadership to Wrathion because he proved himself or something.

sabellian has also called him little brother which is definitely not helping the last decade of "my father deathwing"

[Chickat]

Once again the cycle has come to an end and although the datamines are still empty of their precious ores... a rumbling can be heard within the land and across these forums.

In the grand tradition of Teldrassil is Burning©, @Shadochi I summon you! Assemble our Fellowship my old friend, it's speculating time!

Hi everyone!

In the spirit of our previous and beloved expansion speculation threads (Mists of Pandaria, Warlords of Draenor, Legion, BfA, Shadowlands, Dragonflight) and as the Dragonflight era is finally upon us, it is time for us to build a new home for our ideas, turn a new leaf... AND KEEP DIGGING! After all, what are endings if not new beginnings? Especially when you've got Bronze Dragons involved...

So get to it! Will patch 10.1 take place underground? Will we see the return of Galakrond or the fall of Nozdormu? And most importantly... will 11.0 be a world revamp?

I'm counting on your participation as always to make this thread a safe and magical space to exchange ideas, theories... and maybe a few memes left and right when the time is right.

Have fun, be creative, and most of all be respectful!

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ral-Discussion
We'll miss you little one. ♥

Darn I dont know how I missed this for a month. Im always in the first few pages of the new thead. Oh well. How bout that road map tho?

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Not going to find me complaining. It just seems like the company is getting itself together on the business and dev side right now. Its' just really refreshing after finding both inadequate for a rather long time.

It's great and while I might have issues with the narrative. I think it will at least be epic for marketing purposes even if I disagree with the Team that it was necessary.

Just absolute great showing and I am just super happy for the team and for Holly! This is definitely a good step forward.

Important to note that the "new" Mage Tower and Archaeology Revamp isn't even mentioned but we know that is likely part of this expansion, as well.

I can guarantee Archeology 2.0 will be 10.1. If 10.1 is underground, what better time to do it.

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Why Vault/Season 1 should be shorter than any other tier? I say all should have same length more or less, especially since they can put bonus season in the end.

Don't understand what is so strange in megadungeon placement either, it's around 10.1 like Legion/SL. And it will be released in small patch to not be overshadowed by S2, maybe will have some better loot compared to usual M0 stuff that would be awarded at start of season. It still will have time breathe as megadungeon before it will be reused as M+ in S3.

Imo in general DF should have 5 seasons with 4 DF and 4 legacy dungeons in each, with 10 dungeons every one would be used twice during expac.

Placing it in 10.1.5 means it gets 4 months to shine and be better than Normal raid gear. I imagine if Normal raid gear is 430 ilev in 10.1, the dungeon would drop like 440 ilev inbetween Normal and heroic, and allowing it to be upgraded to Almost mythic with Valor?

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I was thinking some kind of semi-armored noble outfit akin to Anduin's clothing.



I figure this is meant to be a gag item rather than a legitimate effort at making an appealing design.



Which is extraordinarily unfortunate. Their introduction at all was a mistake, and now that they've been introduced it's impossible to ignore their presence. They're going to have to pop up sooner or later again, and practically nobody will be happy with it.



I would say he's perfectly fine in existing as a character, what I think makes him parasitic on the identity of the Alliance is his unopposed authority preventing the Alliance from ever being in the wrong, or even from making hard decisions when in the right. If he returns, that's fine with me, but I'd rather keep the Alliance as a whole in the hands of someone who represents the faction, warts and all, more than Anduin does.

I imagine Anduin in his potential 11.0 return would be nearly 30 by that point. Manduin if you will. He will be much more practical and less idealistic. Kinda like Legion Varian. Peace is nice, but not at the cost of your people etc.

[Khaza-R]

Yeah no don't put the new NE capitol in the Dragon Isles, leave it elsewhere.

Agree with this 110%. Put it in Kalimdor or else its just offensive.

sabellian has also called him little brother which is definitely not helping the last decade of "my father deathwing"

I mean, I hate to harp on the issue because I do it often but, the story writers just suck at their job

[Ersula]

I mean, I hate to harp on the issue because I do it often but, the story writers just suck at their job

We need a "Lies of Wrathion" Book, apparently. One where we finally confront his involvement with the Iron Horde & deal with his Parentage. In Cataclysm it established him as "the last uncorrupted black dragon" and therefor, the only person fit to inherit the role of Black Aspect: But he suddenly he starts calling Deathwing his father. Deathwing was hibernating for thousands of years when did that happen?

Things the writers never firmly established but they really should have: Who's job is it to make dragon babies? How long do Dragon Eggs gestate? What powers did the Aspects actually lose when they extinguished the Dragon Soul?

[Makorus]

I would say other way around, if they do something as grand as remaking whole new city, I would like it to be current expansion focus, not old one. What would be the point, you would visit city, say "neat" and never go back there again.

That would apply to everything? If they made Teldrassil 2.0 in Kalimdor somewhere, when would we ever go back there?