1. #75981
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    We had armor and weapons forged from the Sepulcher of the First Ones, specifically designed to battle beings like Lihuvim, the Prototype Pantheon, etc.

    Also, one of the champions fought the soul of Argus at Zereth Mortis and won...so...
    We fought Argus and lost. The WEAKENED af Titans had to help us. We had 0 help against Zovaal at his full power and he didn't even stand a chance.

    A Titan in his prime would squash Zovaal the same way Aman'Thul did when he ripped out that Old God from Azeroth back in the day. He'd be less than a nuisance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    We had armor and weapons forged from the Sepulcher of the First Ones, specifically designed to battle beings like Lihuvim, the Prototype Pantheon, etc.

    Also, one of the champions fought the soul of Argus at Zereth Mortis and won...so...
    Which were nothing but stat sticks, really. Was there even any slight tangible lore behind any of it?

    Meanwhile we had an artifact in Legion which is still propelling the plot forward to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    We fought Argus and lost. The WEAKENED af Titans had to help us. We had 0 help against Zovaal at his full power and he didn't even stand a chance.

    A Titan in his prime would squash Zovaal the same way Aman'Thul did when he ripped out that Old God from Azeroth back in the day. He'd be less than a nuisance.
    Agreed. Not to mention we didn’t even fight Sargeras for a reason. If Argus was able to one shot us at the peak of our power just imagine Sargeras.

    The Jailer is nothing in comparison. Hell, in just one strike titans were able to do significantly more damage to Azeroth than the Jailer could even when he was using first ones technology.

    The whole “the jailer is titans++ level of power” was just an attempt to hype him up, yet nothing he did showed us anything remotely close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Which were nothing but stat sticks, really. Was there even any slight tangible lore behind any of it?

    Meanwhile we had an artifact in Legion which is still propelling the plot forward to this day.

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    Agreed. Not to mention we didn’t even fight Sargeras for a reason. If Argus was able to one shot us at the peak of our power just imagine Sargeras.

    The Jailer is nothing in comparison. Hell, in just one strike titans were able to do significantly more damage to Azeroth than the Jailer could even when he was using first ones technology.

    The whole “the jailer is titans++ level of power” was just an attempt to hype him up, yet nothing he did showed us anything remotely close.
    There is tangible lore behind the Progenitor tier stuff. All tier sets are canon according to Chronicle, and ontop of that, the Sepulcher armor is described as us "harnessing the power of the First Ones"

    "Harness the power of the First Ones by collecting distinctive class armor sets via raids, PvP, or Mythic+ dungeons. The Progenitor armor set will grant your character new abilities based on your specialization, and includes a helm, shoulders, chest, gauntlets, and leggings with 2 set bonuses. The first set bonus is unlocked when two set pieces are equipped, and the second bonus is unlocked when four set pieces are equipped."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    We fought Argus and lost. The WEAKENED af Titans had to help us. We had 0 help against Zovaal at his full power and he didn't even stand a chance.

    A Titan in his prime would squash Zovaal the same way Aman'Thul did when he ripped out that Old God from Azeroth back in the day. He'd be less than a nuisance.
    Yeah, and Argus' soul proceeded to get clapped by ONE of these heroes in Zereth Mortis, showcasing our growth in power thanks to the Shadowlands amps.

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    Oh great we're back here again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelheimy View Post
    Oh great we're back here again.
    We shouldn't be. I'm right.

  6. #75986
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    There is tangible lore behind the Progenitor tier stuff. All tier sets are canon according to Chronicle, and ontop of that, the Sepulcher armor is described as us "harnessing the power of the First Ones"

    "Harness the power of the First Ones by collecting distinctive class armor sets via raids, PvP, or Mythic+ dungeons. The Progenitor armor set will grant your character new abilities based on your specialization, and includes a helm, shoulders, chest, gauntlets, and leggings with 2 set bonuses. The first set bonus is unlocked when two set pieces are equipped, and the second bonus is unlocked when four set pieces are equipped."
    That's game mechanics. Not lore.

  7. #75987
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    We shouldn't be. I'm right.
    I couldn't care who's right about anything to do with the expansion that finally got Blizzard to admit they're doing a bad job and change things for the better.

    The only good thing to come from shadowlands is how it performed so very poorly in nearly every aspect it forced immediate change in a 20 year old game, with a company which is almost Disney like in its ability to fluff itself.

    Not even twitter patch WoD gave us that gift.

    Thank you bald man.

  8. #75988
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    That's game mechanics. Not lore.
    The harness the power of the First Ones part is lore. The specifics regarding stat bonuses aren't, but they are upgrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelheimy View Post
    I couldn't care who's right about anything to do with the expansion that finally got Blizzard to admit they're doing a bad job and change things for the better.

    The only good thing to come from shadowlands is how it performed so very poorly in nearly every aspect it forced immediate change in a 20 year old game, with a company which is almost Disney like in its ability to fluff itself.

    Not even twitter patch WoD gave us that gift.

    Thank you bald man.
    Crazy how they admit Shadowlands wasn't good yet they continue double down on everything regarding it lore-wise lmaooo

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    Hey, more Ws for me at least.

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    Also, @Houle outside of 1 very outdated interview, you have less of a claim to make regarding the Eternal Ones not being Titan level Vs otherwise

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    Or need I remind you of the Oribos skybox with the Maw and constant things both in game and out of game stating that the Eternal Ones ARE equal to the Titans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    That's interesting. That actually makes me think it lends credence to that idea the Eternal Ones aren't natural and are tied directly to the Anima Cycle.

    Why would a true Death God be weakened by something being rationed or siphoned throughout their own realm? Are Old Gods weaker when they aren't Voidy enough?
    They already told us that in Shadowlands .... Eternal Ones's power is directly tied to their realms, and the anima drought basically destroyed part of their realms.

  10. #75990
    The Eternal Ones could be a match, or even more powerful, than current Titans (although I doubt it). The Eternal Ones would be insects against planet-sized Titans. There is nothing that we have seen that makes us believe otherwise. Of course, different peoples and elements within the Shadowlands tell us that the Eternal Ones are the more powerful beings in existence, which is the same thing that any follower of any villain of the franchise always says.

    Anyway, this is a pointless discussion, and not relevant at all. Hopefully we will soon get more interesting topics to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KainneAbsolute View Post
    My previous theory was that Worldsouls don't have an alignment to any force until one or more forces influence them. If the most significant source of influence is order then the worldsoul becomes a Titan.
    I heard that theory too and it makes perfect sense. K'aresh was not "devoured" by Dimensius, it BECOME him when Old God influence won. And all these titan installation all over the planet serve exactly same purpose, they just turn soul into Titan instead of Void Lord.

    For saga I predict:
    - TWW will end with Xalatath successfully corrupting world soul, light infested Sunwell will become last bastion before Azeroth fully transform into Void Lord
    - we will completely defeat Void at the end of Midnight and discover true nature of world souls, titan instalation will send distress signal to seat of pantheon
    - The Last Titan will be war against Order, kinda reverse Legion, Iridikron will be our ally, in the end Azeroth will be born as first world soul without influence of any power or just fully awake but residue inside planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Please guys, just stop.
    The last thing we need is more numero uno's in wow lore.
    Yep. Occam's razor, it's not coincidence that First Ones and robots starting each force are slowly buried when Metzen returned. At some point they will say Zereth was something unique to Shadowlands, probably when lore will focus on Elune/life side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    He attacks her with death/domination magic during the fight, doesn't he?
    That's why i'm unsure about it. All the other things happend at least for some time, with Sargeras sword definitly infusing into the world. The Jailor fight though? He siphons energy from Azeroth, but does he infuse it with death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I heard that theory too and it makes perfect sense. K'aresh was not "devoured" by Dimensius, it BECOME him when Old God influence won. And all these titan installation all over the planet serve exactly same purpose, they just turn soul into Titan instead of Void Lord.
    This doesn't hold up if we assume Sargeras fears, a worldsoul turning to the void, has not happend yet, or else his burning crusade would have already failed.
    It is more likely that K'aresh didn't had a worldsoul, but the radiant song, or the source of it, might have been devoured. I still assume that the radiant song comes from the beledar, and that K'aresh had something similar, which, turning void could become Dimensius, end then devouring the rest of K'aresh.
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    I mean, trying to worm out of the way it's the WORLDSOUL saga... yah. It's Azeroth reaching out, not some light fairy.
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    Oh boy, powerscaling! This is not a totally futile argument based on webs of contradictory hype-building statements and based on an expansion so thoroughly nebulous it's practically impossible to realistically measure anything that happened because the entire thing was a fever dream bordering on a game of Calvinball between the writers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Oh boy, powerscaling! This is not a totally futile argument based on webs of contradictory hype-building statements and based on an expansion so thoroughly nebulous it's practically impossible to realistically measure anything that happened because the entire thing was a fever dream bordering on a game of Calvinball between the writers!
    Ooh, and don't forget stuff like when you get empowered by Azeroth herself at the end of the Zovaal fight. Somehow I doubt that the buff canonically made us exactly 10% more agile and intelligent.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  15. #75995
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    And in chronicle the horde were responsible for the crucible of storms and freeing Xal’atath if I remember correctly.
    Well that was obvious even before the Chronicle. How else would have Nathanos ended up with the blade after those quests?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    Weren't the Horde the first ones to actually build bases across Pandaria tho? Or at least, that's what I thought?
    First Alliance forces in the North built an airfield and occupied a Mogu fortress.

    Meanwhile the Horde in the south built a base and occupied similar Mogu fortress.

    Both did the same thing.

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    The artwork doesn't seem very good in the new chronicles books ... not as good as the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Ooh, and don't forget stuff like when you get empowered by Azeroth herself at the end of the Zovaal fight. Somehow I doubt that the buff canonically made us exactly 10% more agile and intelligent.
    Indeed, we received the poorly-defined blessing of Azeroth at the tail-end of our battle with the nebulous man who has no concrete definition for his capabilities whatsoever. Zovaal was truly one of the villains of all time.
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  18. #75998
    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    There are two world maps. the second has Khaz Algar with "underground spikes"?

    When you mouse over Khaz Algar, it shows the version with the caves under it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Not yet, but it is almost all hooked up though, so the moment they ship the MP3s it should work in-game, at least.
    Wait, Blizz uses mp3 for their audio format?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Not yet, but it is almost all hooked up though, so the moment they ship the MP3s it should work in-game, at least.
    Wait, Blizz uses mp3 for their audio format?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Oh boy, powerscaling! This is not a totally futile argument based on webs of contradictory hype-building statements and based on an expansion so thoroughly nebulous it's practically impossible to realistically measure anything that happened because the entire thing was a fever dream bordering on a game of Calvinball between the writers!
    Just be glad they never put a numerical value on any character's power level. Then this shit would get REALLY tiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    The artwork doesn't seem very good in the new chronicles books ... not as good as the other ones.
    ironically the art is probably the best part of that book.

    blizzard keeps cutting corners

  20. #76000
    Quote Originally Posted by Reive View Post


    this is what i want from wow: less main narrative about the azeroth version of the avengers and more side quests/world building. the devs are not good at telling long stories, so they should not focus on them
    Trying to copy the avengers is the problem. Vanilla had many interesting main quest chains that where way cooler than most "main story" campaigns in wow where they use their W3 characters + Anduin as the avengers. Hell, Kul tiras questing campaign didn't feature any old characters outside of the jaina ending and they were great, do more of that.

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