The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nathanyel]

I'm kinda ok with this new version of the first ones but I still don't like that the titans themselves might be created as robots as well.

We really need to drop the terms "robot" and "3D-printed" - the Eternal Ones are souls inhabiting construct bodies, just like the humanoid forms of the Titans are just constructs/golems given life by their souls, just like HFC's Socrethar, or souls possessing corpses, like the first-generation Death Knights, or Xal'atath using Inanis' body.
The Eternal One's bodies are just more advanced because they were literally designed by the oldest and most powerful beings we ever heard of.

Bit of a headcanon: the Eternal Ones are souls that were born elsewhere, maybe the first generation of world souls, and then raised by the First Ones or their underlings to administrate the Shadowlands. This would also explain why the Winter Queen calls Elune "sister": likely still not biological, but what if similar souls were nurtured alongside them, but taken to other realms?
This kinda clashes with OR is confirmed by the Prototype Pantheon:

Bereft of the cosmic spirits of the Eternal Ones, these incomplete host bodies can only carry out their base directives without mercy or compassion.

"Bereft" could mean that these were earlier bodies the Eternal Ones inhabited, but later got different bodies more akin to the one we see when killing Zovaal. These discarded constructs still maintained a fragment of the Eternal Ones' powers. Or maybe in this iteration, the powers were tied to the construct bodies, while the latter one imbued the powers into the souls directly, allowing them to inhabit more generic base constructs.

I WISH WoW had a battle pass, particularly for PVP rewards.

Wasn't that, kinda, the PvP track in BfA?

Chronicles basically confirms that every expansion after Cataclysm was the horde’s fault or was the fallout from the horde’s actions.

tbh I can't even blame the Horde anymore, I only blame the vocal minority pressuring Blizzard into reigniting the Faction Conflict because they either wanted to play as the evil brutes/schemers that the Horde hadn't been since WC3, or as the knights in shining armor opposing them.

This is also why I feel dread about the hints of changing the login screen, it might be a kneejerk reaction to the "outrage". But even if that's just stuff that was already planned, e.g. for an evolving scene as speculated, the bullies will see this as proof that their constant complaining works.

Can't really imagine other TWW ending than world soul chamber. But of course it could be somewhere in the rootlands if they are as big as you say.

Not that I'm an expert on that, but it would fit with a "3-act" structure: we know the ultimate destination, the world soul, but the end of TWW = Act 1 literally sidetracks us, instead of going deeper, we are lured more or less horiozontally towards the Rootlands or something else. Then Midnight = Act 2 forces us to to back to the surface to hold off the Void invasion, seemingly further from our goal than ever before, and in TLT = Act 3, we race against time and Titans to save Azeroth.

Weird that we don't have number squish now btw, TWW will have bigger numbers than TLT.

Oh right, Midnight was announced to have one, right? Tbh, Blizz should hold off on that until 14.0 - let us become symbolically overpowered (with some planning we'd reach/cross iLvl 1000 at the end of TLT) but afterwards, as Azeroth either is born and leaves, or dies, we lose all the power she invested in us, depowering us on a meta level.

What Shadowlands highlights is the fundamental issue with retail WoW, which is that doing dailies by yourself is not fun.

Going on a tangent about DF's group events based on your phrasing:
Soup Event, Siege on Dragonbane Keep, Researchers under Fire, Superbloom, Big Dig: all great fun events

What was not fun about them was that they only happened at set times, disadvantageous if you had limited time or wanted to take some alts through them as well - Soup was easier in that regard, and you could shard/warmode-hop, but the latter of course shouldn't be officially encouraged behavior.
These should rather happen over and over, with Scenario/Delve tech to shard you with other players (with some buffs if there aren't enough people around at off times)

Have only heard bits and bobs of the TWW events, but it's good that you only "have" to do 2 out of 6 per week for max rewards, then again you only had 2-3 relevant ones per DF patch/LH week anyway, too.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Going on a tangent about DF's group events based on your phrasing:
Soup Event, Siege on Dragonbane Keep, Researchers under Fire, Superbloom, Big Dig: all great fun events

It's a 10 minute long GW2 event you do once a day/week where you don't interact or talk with anyone. It is in practice a solo experience. That is not the same thing as a core gameplay loop where you have to play with your friends to progress which makes a grind fun.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Do you think "The Last Titan" would introduce to us another titan?

Not necessarily one apart of the Pantheon of Order, but maybe another titan out there in the cosmos that comes in contention with the Pantheon of Order?

[Auxis]

I just realized that any hope for Enhancement actually getting SOME form of changes or new toys to add to their talents/playstyle have just gone out the door since the class changes ships tomorrow ;-; with pre-patch - and I highly doubt they'll change a spec within a month.

:[

[Makabreska]

I just realized that any hope for Enhancement actually getting SOME form of changes or new toys to add to their talents/playstyle have just gone out the door since the class changes ships tomorrow ;-; with pre-patch - and I highly doubt they'll change a spec within a month.

:[

Well, Enh "changes" memes aside, I heard that base DF Enh was solid enough and Stormbringer is fun enough that Enh is still looking decent going into TWW. And they did some improvements in last build.

[Kiivar86]

Do you think "The Last Titan" would introduce to us another titan?

Not necessarily one apart of the Pantheon of Order, but maybe another titan out there in the cosmos that comes in contention with the Pantheon of Order?

Wouldn't entirely surprise me. Plus we know of one other Titan through Hearthstone, though that's of questionable canonicity until they decide to make her canon.

[Joshuaj]

I wouldn't say I like that a rebel or fallen first one is the ultimate evil. It was similar in Starcraft, Amon was a fallen Xel Naga that betrayed the rest.

However it can happen: the first one versus the last one hehe

I mean, not really. The Xel'naga are at best comparable to a pantheon in WoW, hierarchy wise.

[Makorus]

Well, Enh "changes" memes aside, I heard that base DF Enh was solid enough and Stormbringer is fun enough that Enh is still looking decent going into TWW. And they did some improvements in last build.

Yeah, idk what people were expecting for Enh, it was a solid spec that people enjoyed, and the only issue with it right now is that is overshadowed by a recently reworked spec and lost it's niche, which realistically are not really reasons for a rework.

Elemental was a dumpster fire of a spec.

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Do you think "The Last Titan" would introduce to us another titan?

Not necessarily one apart of the Pantheon of Order, but maybe another titan out there in the cosmos that comes in contention with the Pantheon of Order?

I mean, we already got Sargeras.

[Golden Yak]

I'm pretty sure Sargeras will be the Last Titan. Azeroth will get de-Titanized, and the rest of the Pantheon will get wrecked somehow. Sarg goes loose by the end of things and heads off to get the Legion back together.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I mean, we already got Sargeras.

Specifically, I meant a brand new titan. Maybe one that has been out there for thousands of years, traversing the cosmos, with his/her own goals and with no idea the Titan Pantheon exists. It would be a new one to us.

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I'm pretty sure Sargeras will be the Last Titan. Azeroth will get de-Titanized, and the rest of the Pantheon will get wrecked somehow. Sarg goes loose by the end of things and heads off to get the Legion back together.

Could be the case. I hope they do not try to redeem Sargeras.

[Joshuaj]

I'm pretty sure Sargeras will be the Last Titan. Azeroth will get de-Titanized, and the rest of the Pantheon will get wrecked somehow. Sarg goes loose by the end of things and heads off to get the Legion back together.

*Looks at Iridikron*

What about him?

[milkmustache]

*Looks at Iridikron*

What about him?

Iridikron... the primal incarnate? He'll be the one doing some of the de-Titanizing.

[Golden Yak]

*Looks at Iridikron*

What about him?

He'll probably be doing the wrecking. He's a cookin' up somethin'.

Iridikron... the primal incarnate? He'll be the one doing some of the de-Titanizing.

I actually think that'll be Xal'atath, and she'll do it as part of the climax of TWW. Then Midnight will be about the Void trying to take the Worldsoul once it's de-Ordered and 'up for grabs'.

[micwini]

I know this is a stupid question, but am I seriously the only one who liked Vash'jir?

It's like flying. You just press tab when looking at the target and there you go. What's the big issue? If people hate Vash'jir so much then asking for flying combat is going to lead to the same complaints.

One of my favorite zones of all time. Going from champion to survivalist was done very well. I think most issues people had were stuff not working, like targetable aoe's.

[Lady Atia]

"All PvE rewards currently available within Dragonflight Season 4 will no longer be available as of 26 August."

Hahahahaha so casuals can literally level to 80 in the early access and cheat their way through the mythic awakened raids?

Season 4 is now official a joke season if you only play pve.

[Dracullus]

Looks like they no longer care about locking LFR. Story difficulty launch on Mythic week, last LFR wing week later.

[Nightshade711]

Hahahahaha so casuals can literally level to 80 in the early access and cheat their way through the mythic awakened raids?

Season 4 is now official a joke season if you only play pve.

I was about to reply that the release date was the 26th… but holy shit with early access you’re right.

Hopefully they thought about it and disable awakened/rewards for those that hit 80.

[Lady Atia]

I was about to reply that the release date was the 26th… but holy shit with early access you’re right.

Hopefully they thought about it and disable awakened/rewards for those that hit 80.

I mean, atleast with Dragonflight launch they "forgot" to turn off fated so that was an error on their part, but this time they full on intend to destroy any prestige for the awakened stuff wtf. Similiary, it seems like you can just run into the old m+ dungeons aswell? I doubt pvp q would work though, although that would be funny haha.

Hopefully they change their mind and disable it with the early access launch, or as you said, people above lvl 71 shouldn't be able to enter awakened raids / old m+.

[Nibelheimy]

I'm pretty sure Sargeras will be the Last Titan. Azeroth will get de-Titanized, and the rest of the Pantheon will get wrecked somehow. Sarg goes loose by the end of things and heads off to get the Legion back together.

I agree, I can also see Azeroth choosing to stay in the planet unawakened and new good guy Sargeras taking his sword back to travel the cosmos destroying anything that is a risk to her. Maybe she chooses order if the rest of the Pantheon is to fall and takes the sword herself. Either way, I feel the sword leaving the planet one way or another has to happen during this saga.

[Nightshade711]

I'm pretty sure Sargeras will be the Last Titan. Azeroth will get de-Titanized, and the rest of the Pantheon will get wrecked somehow. Sarg goes loose by the end of things and heads off to get the Legion back together.

Thats a little what I’m thinking. Or blizzard could make Amitus from HS canon, with her story it would make her reasonably the “last Titan”

The Void has a foothold (or at least a way in) to the Seat of the Pantheon / whatever “realm” it is in, at least according to Xal’atath’s whispers in Legion.
I suspect Dimensius will be fully manifested & will obliterate the seat of the pantheon. Killing all of the titans inside except maybe Sargeras.