The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

I vaguely remember someone saying the implication with the thraegar meniton for Magni is that all the player earthen were thraegar as well? I'm having difficulty finding the source on it, but I believe it had something to do not with the substance he was made of, but his ability to roam and communicate with Azeroth.

Slightly off topic but I think it’d be cool if players could unlock Thraegar/diamond customization options for the Earthen at some point in TWW.

[Scyth]

Updated iconic sets for the 20th anniversary event is surely something. Of course it could be for Arator but I highly doubt they would be teasing it like that in this case.

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1831121375810965973

Probably gonna announce 11.0.5 this Week.

BWL anniversary event? That would be incredible but won't get excited just yet lol

[justwatching]

BWL anniversary event? That would be incredible but won't get excited just yet lol

Ion mentioned timewalking is involved with the event. It wouldnt surprise me if the whole thing is quite meaty given that there seems to be nothing else in 11.0.5 outside of some story.


Maybe theyll finally revamp timewalking to include the world and updated sets are the reward from that.

[huth]

Sure, and that's all true and makes sense. But I still think it's a reach to assume some Dalaran mage will find it trivial. I think what they may actually find, in later patches, is that they can't work out how to teleport to Avaloren at all, because there is some kind of complicating factor they don't understand.

I think it's more likely they just won't try, because they have no reason to.

[Eeram]

Finished the level cap campaign.

The Nerubian invasion of Arathi was pretty underwhelming. It just flying around killing a dozen mobs and then bursting down three officers and that was it. Didn't feel threatening or like a huge invasion like the end of Hallowfall/start of Azj-Kahet with the wall collapsing, villages being overrun, airships bombarding hundreds of incoming spiders, the airships being boarded by Nerubians, etc.

In the scenario at the Priory, it was very frustrating that the NPC party members kept wandering off. My light meter is running out and I need Faerin to place down that light AoE to keep me alive, and I look around and I can't even see where she is. Where did she go?

Boggles my mind this multi-billion dollar game can't afford good writers to write dialogue. The cutscenes are always Hollywood trash.

Questline ends with Anduin sitting down on a rock pouting for the Nth time.

That's it for the story? Just do the raid and then you have to wait 6 to 9 months for the next 2-3 hours of story?

I Love when i see your post man. It always just reminds me that even if im alittle frustrated im never as angry as some people can be lmao.
Thank god

[Scyth]

Ion mentioned timewalking is involved with the event. It wouldnt surprise me if the whole thing is quite meaty given that there seems to be nothing else in 11.0.5 outside of some story.


Maybe theyll finally revamp timewalking to include the world and updated sets are the reward from that.

Yeah that comment and the twitter image makes me think we might get some Vanilla WoW timewalking content. One can hope!

The WoW team actually posted the same photo on reddit too.
Surely it's not just going to be Arathor lol

[Viridiel]

The blood confirmation kind of points towards Xal being the secret Chronicles old god that was tied to roots- especially with what we know about Elun'ahir and the Rootlands being close by.

Maybe she's trying to be reborn using the "core" of the roots? The nerubian book mentions a giant flower in a cave, which would resemble the core of Amir'drassil that Fyrakk attacked.

Do you know which book that is? I've seen it mentioned a few times but I've managed to completely miss it.

[Joshuaj]

Technically she would be the ghost of one. But she could still be a fleshy tentacle monster that is a rank above them.

Always figured she was meant to be a creature to keep the Old Gods in line with the Void Lords' will, or at least Dimensius' will, and they jumped her cause they said "fuck that".

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There's a big, if not completely unexpected, reveal about the Titans' goal from the weekly Pinnacle Cache quest this week.

The Titan Disc fragments you gather restore a recording of Archaedas, talking about information he received from Khaz'goroth. The Titans have been searching for the Prime Worldsoul. It's the most powerful Worldsoul in existence, which they plan to guide to become the greatest Titan of all. They sensed Azeroth's power and came here, believing her to be this Prime Worldsoul. They're probably right, but this part of the recording ends there.

I still believe world-souls are meant to be the culmination of the 6 forces, with Azeroth being the most powerful among them.

This + the Jailer calling her "the secret that the First Ones sought to hide" only further this theory

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There's a big, if not completely unexpected, reveal about the Titans' goal from the weekly Pinnacle Cache quest this week.

The Titan Disc fragments you gather restore a recording of Archaedas, talking about information he received from Khaz'goroth. The Titans have been searching for the Prime Worldsoul. It's the most powerful Worldsoul in existence, which they plan to guide to become the greatest Titan of all. They sensed Azeroth's power and came here, believing her to be this Prime Worldsoul. They're probably right, but this part of the recording ends there.

Mind showing me pics of where the prime worldsoul stuff is stated?

[Cheezits]

I do think Xal being the "warden" of the Old Gods both elevates her and boosts the Old Gods themselves, because they were crafty and powerful enough to imprison her while she was a being above them in power and status.

Also if they were her "team" then it explains the "us" she stated in Legion. And why she didn't consider herself the weakest.

[Merryck]

It would seem Azeroth does not want to become a Titan. Perhaps because becoming a Titan would destroy the world she has come to care for, like a Celestial in the MCU. So I predict a schism will form in the Pantheon - those who respect Azeroth's choice to remain as a neutral Worldsoul, and those who do not. The pro-choice team will be led by Eonar, followed by Aggramar, Golganneth, and Khaz'goroth. And the pro-lif- I mean, pro-Order team will consist of Aman'thul and Norgannon. Sargeras ... could go either way, depending on what's happening to him whilst he's imprisoned.

[Cheezits]

It would seem Azeroth does not want to become a Titan. Perhaps because becoming a Titan would destroy the world she has come to care for, like a Celestial in the MCU. So I predict a schism will form in the Pantheon - those who respect Azeroth's choice to remain as a neutral Worldsoul, and those who do not. The pro-choice team will be led by Eonar, followed by Aggramar, Golganneth, and Khaz'goroth. And the pro-lif- I mean, pro-Order team will consist of Aman'thul and Norgannon. Sargeras ... could go either way, depending on what's happening to him whilst he's imprisoned.

Sargeras was absolutely pro-Azeroth, he loved her even. I think he was one of the first to try and get her free.

I still believe the sword may have been aimed at a stasis prison around her soul.

[Joshuaj]

Sargeras was absolutely pro-Azeroth, he loved her even. I think he was one of the first to try and get her free.

I still believe the sword may have been aimed at a stasis prison around her soul.

Could be the case. Wouldn't be shocked if the heart of Azeroth facility was a huge factor in keeping her chained or so.

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It would seem Azeroth does not want to become a Titan. Perhaps because becoming a Titan would destroy the world she has come to care for, like a Celestial in the MCU. So I predict a schism will form in the Pantheon - those who respect Azeroth's choice to remain as a neutral Worldsoul, and those who do not. The pro-choice team will be led by Eonar, followed by Aggramar, Golganneth, and Khaz'goroth. And the pro-lif- I mean, pro-Order team will consist of Aman'thul and Norgannon. Sargeras ... could go either way, depending on what's happening to him whilst he's imprisoned.

Dawg if my theory on world-souls proves true...

I'll actually be an oracle.

[Cheezits]

Could be the case. Wouldn't be shocked if the heart of Azeroth facility was a huge factor in keeping her chained or so.

I am willing to bet money that is the conspiracy, and the "they want to guide her to be a titan" thing revealed today definitely points to that IMO.

World souls are not meant to be Titans (or anything specifically), but they (the titans, or some of them) force them to be Titans. That's the rub. If they didn't know that already, that may cause an excellent civil war among them.

[Joshuaj]

I am willing to bet money that is the conspiracy, and the "they want to guide her to be a titan" thing revealed today definitely points to that IMO.

World souls are not meant to be Titans (or anything specifically), but they (the titans, or some of them) force them to be Titans. That's the rub. If they didn't know that already, that may cause an excellent civil war among them.

Shadowlands kinda established something that interested me DEEPLY, and it's the idea that the Pantheons embody the forces they're part of. The Titans embody Order, the Void Lords embody Shadow, etc.

Yet Worldsouls thrive in the Dark Beyond, which is the Mortal Plane AKA the realm where every force collides. Been trying to think about Azeroth and the nature of the world-souls for a bit now, but a couple days or weeks ago I figured out a good theory.

I think worldsouls are supposed to represent all 6 forces, hence why they can become one cosmic being or another if given the proper influence. This also means that the Progenitors most likely wanted the forces to eventually figure this out and work together for the worldsouls to thrive. And maybe Progenitor Order told the Titans specifically to keep the "prime worldsoul safe" which ultimately gave the Titans the wrong idea.

Worldsouls being the ultimate embodiment of the cosmic patterns goal, and a culmination of the 6 forces would explain why Worldsouls are so powerful, why Azeroth specifically can fuel things like the Machine of Origination, as well as why Azeroth is seemingly considered to be "the secret that the First Ones sought to hide".

Would also explain why the Champions are so busted in terms of willpower lmaooo

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Seems the Titans are the only pantheon that actually openly knows of the Prime Worldsoul, which further implies that yeah, the First Ones most likely didn't want anyone to know of Azeroth til the time was right, most likely when the Order Pantheon got the other pantheons together and whatnot (Similar to how the First Ones got together and drew the pattern to represent their unity).

But again, somewhere down the line, the Titans went and did their own thing, which I imagine the Progenitors also saw happening. Reminder that the current design is seemingly either meant to last or not meant to last, and if it's not meant to last and everything collapses in the end, the 7th power would come and replace it.

Damn, if all of this is true, the Champions have their work cut out for them.

[Eldryth]

Mind showing me pics of where the prime worldsoul stuff is stated?

Here.

It comes from the main weekly quest you get in Dornogal. Instead of getting four tasks to choose from like usual, everyone has to collect 100 Titan Disc Fragments that drop from all kinds of content to repair the Vault of Memory, and it gives this scene at the end. It seems it'll continue this exposition in future weeks.

[Joshuaj]

Here.

It comes from the main weekly quest you get in Dornogal. Instead of getting four tasks to choose from like usual, everyone has to collect 100 Titan Disc Fragments that drop from all kinds of content to repair the Vault of Memory, and it gives this scene at the end. It seems it'll continue this exposition in future weeks.

Just talked about it. I'm so fucking pumped. Seems we'll know a bit more of Azeroths true nature, and it'll be properly doubled down on in TLT.

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All of this reminds me of this Jailer cutscene, particularly these words from him: "Your grandest design to claim the final prize!"

"The secret that the First Ones sought to hide!"

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That's Azeroth.

[Dragonborn]

With Alleria and Anduin's immediate arcs being quite resolved for now, I feel like 10.1 will be the time for a shift in the main cast to focus more on Thrall, Gazlowe, Jaina(I'd much prefer the rest of the Sons of Lothar to get the spotlight next, but Jaina's in a lot of the marketing stuff so I wonder what they're planning for her), with Orweyna having a similar role as Faerin. 10.2 could be the big coming together moment for all of the main characters in the expansion with a bit of a focus on the Bronzebeards.

[KyleEverett]

I wish I could feel like the story isn't rushed and shallow. I feel like I'm playing an outline of a story rather than a full story. It's big beat after big beat in the MSQ.

The only worthwhile questing I enjoyed as the side quests.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I wish I could feel like the story isn't rushed and shallow. I feel like I'm playing an outline of a story rather than a full story. It's big beat after big beat in the MSQ.

The only worthwhile questing I enjoyed as the side quests.

The main questline really suffers from them cutting large chucks out because people complained the Champaign was to long on DF.

If you include all the obviously relevent side quest the whole thing comes together far better.

[BaumanKing]

I don't understand, what is Alleria's reason for not letting Turalyon go with her? I know that narratively it's to allow Anduin to heal Khadgar, but what is the in-universe reason? Turalyon isn't even leading the army, so who cares if he goes with Alleria.