The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

Why the focus on this, then? As a campaign quest, no less?

If it was simply a quest for the sake of itself to address the previous implication that the dragons collectively engineered multiple slave races, I could see it being a little side quest, like the dozens of others we have. But that's not how this is being framed. It's taking center stage. Why? What makes this special?

How is it center stage?
Nothing in those quests is of major importance, its like 10 quests long and they didn't even deem it worthwhile enough to do a voice over.

It essentially is just a little side quest.

It only exists because they needed to finish the rebellion plotline they started.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Honestly, they could pull any titan facility we've neve heard of out of their ass without issues.

One question worth asking is the context of the four undefined "Uld—" facilities mentioned by the Maiden of Vitality. Is she glitching at one more, or are we to take this to mean there are four more that aren't named? If the former, I'd certainly expect the facility which contains access to the World-Soul to be the final, undefined facility. If there are four more, could we assume that one might be Ulduran, the beta name for Strand of the Ancients,—if Strand of the Ancients is even still canon,—either reused or in its original context?

[micwini]

Why the focus on this, then? As a campaign quest, no less?

If it was simply a quest for the sake of itself to address the previous implication that the dragons collectively engineered multiple slave races, I could see it being a little side quest, like the dozens of others we have. But that's not how this is being framed. It's taking center stage. Why? What makes this special?

It's just a questline to tie up the loose end of the sidequest line that came before it. If you did it on launch, it felt quite abruptly ended without a conclusion.
It's also another one of those wokie questlines. You shouldn't read too much into it.

[Cheezits]

Anyone else get the feeling that this whole dragonkin rebel questline is just setting the groundwork to give us playable dragonkin? Most likely Drakonid?

I think it was created in direct response to the people who honed in on the small Dragonkin rebellion plot they created at launch, which was definitely based around updating the Dragonkin to be more than the thrall/servant race they've been since Vanilla.

Because the modern WoW fanbase can't handle that, especially not after they bitched about the Kyrians and Stewards for 2 years in Shadowlands. It's a little annoying that now every good/neutral race has to have Modern America sensibilities (I say that but watch the Void Lords have a Horde Council and slave rebellion plot)

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Aye, but if Uldorus is Azeroth’s equivalent to Antorus, then it leads to believe that it’s at the centre of Azeroth, which Uldaman isn’t too far from. Uldorus could be huge, spanning underground from EK to the DI’s, with Tyrhold just being a part of it.

That was my initial assumption when I heard the name, but the suffix -orus may be a red herring, and just means something analogous to "fortress" or "command center" in the Titan language instead of strictly signaling "this is where the world-soul can be accessed", since Antorus and Uldorus could both be perceived as a kind of command center specifically designed for overseeing non-Titans militarily serving one.

[Berkilak]

How is it center stage?

It's a campaign quest. I agree that it's just a little side quest, but they put it in the "do these important quests" category.

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It's also another one of those wokie questlines. You shouldn't read too much into it.

Indulge me. What makes it "wokie"?

[micwini]

It's a campaign quest. I agree that it's just a little side quest, but they put it in the "do these important quests" category.

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Indulge me. What makes it "wokie"?

Cheezits explained it well in his post as well. Basically the notion that drakonids are supposed to be equal eventhough they are not and the notion of one group serving another because of it.

Last thing I will say about it to not derail the thread.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Why the focus on this, then? As a campaign quest, no less?

If it was simply a quest for the sake of itself to address the previous implication that the dragons collectively engineered multiple slave races, I could see it being a little side quest, like the dozens of others we have. But that's not how this is being framed. It's taking center stage. Why? What makes this special?

The same thing that made the blue dragons special, there trying to flesh out the aspects and there flights by showing how they deal with different things.

[huth]

Strictly-speaking, I don't think "sane" is an applicable word here. However, his elemental nature may mitigate the worst effects of Void corruption; we'll have to wait and see.

It didn't really change the nature of his insanity in any case, so the corruption may simply be a non-issue to him. So far, the only major difference seems to be that the flames he wants the world to burn in are now purple.

One question worth asking is the context of the four undefined "Uld—" facilities mentioned by the Maiden of Vitality. Is she glitching at one more, or are we to take this to mean there are four more that aren't named? If the former, I'd certainly expect the facility which contains access to the World-Soul to be the final, undefined facility. If there are four more, could we assume that one might be Ulduran, the beta name for Strand of the Ancients,—if Strand of the Ancients is even still canon,—either reused or in its original context?

I wouldn't take it as confirmation either way. She could also have broken down before naming all even partially.

[Darkarath]

Anyone else get the feeling that this whole dragonkin rebel questline is just setting the groundwork to give us playable dragonkin? Most likely Drakonid?

Absolutely. There is no reason why Drakonid should not be an Allied Race. If they are going to make them playable, it has to happen within DF. There has been a clear focus on them and their questline hints at this possibility, but we shall see.

More importantly, I don't see them doing yet another fire-themed patch this expansion. The Dream but partially or even fully frozen over would be an interesting setting to explore.

I also think the Primalist Future hints that it will be Vyranoth. It would explain why every thing is frozen over. I assume if Vyranoth succeeds and freezes over the ED that Azeroth will turn into a popsicle as well.

I do not see 10.1 as a Fire-themed patch but as Underground-themed patch. While I agree that Vyranoth seems to be more linked to the Emerald Dream, and I am pretty sure that she would play a big role in 10.2, it would be inconceivable that we have Fyrakk burning the Dragon Isles at will, and suddenly a big tree appears and for whatever reason, he decides to stop his onslaught against us.

It just would not make any sense at all. Unless they came with some excuse to get Fyrakk away from the Dragon Isles, he needs to be present in 10.2.

[micwini]

10.2 could be the fire/ice duo boss

[Zardas]

One question worth asking is the context of the four undefined "Uld—" facilities mentioned by the Maiden of Vitality. Is she glitching at one more, or are we to take this to mean there are four more that aren't named? If the former, I'd certainly expect the facility which contains access to the World-Soul to be the final, undefined facility. If there are four more, could we assume that one might be Ulduran, the beta name for Strand of the Ancients,—if Strand of the Ancients is even still canon,—either reused or in its original context?

There may also be other titans facilities that the Maiden was not aware of, or she chose to not say anything about it, for whatever reason the scenario requires.

[Teriz]

Absolutely. There is no reason why Drakonid should not be an Allied Race. If they are going to make them playable, it has to happen within DF. There has been a clear focus on them and their questline hints at this possibility, but we shall see.

Making Drakonids playable would make a lot of critics here very happy. That said, they'll probably be one of the lowest played races in the game.

[Berkilak]

The same thing that made the blue dragons special, there trying to flesh out the aspects and there flights by showing how they deal with different things.

Perhaps. But there are also a lot of dragon-centric sidequests that deal with stuff like this that aren't earmarked as campaign content.

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Making Drakonids playable would make a lot of critics here very happy. That said, they'll probably be one of the lowest played races in the game.

Even if that is true, what's your point?

That we might as well add another Elf race to shift those demongraphics around some more, I suppose?

[Teriz]

Even if that is true, what's your point?

That we might as well add another Elf race to shift those demongraphics around some more, I suppose?

Just pointing out that any demand for that race is more than likely from a very loud and tiny minority. However, if their inclusion quiets the endless complaining, that will be a positive development.

[Berkilak]

Just pointing out that any demand for that race is more than likely from a very loud and tiny minority. However, if their inclusion quiets the endless complaining, that will be a positive development.

Hell, it worked for the same three or four High Elf fans that were no-lifing the forums in their tiny crusade.

But anecdotally, I'm always hearing from casual players how they were expecting "those big dragon guys" instead of Dracthyr. In Discord, in Trade chat, even in idle chatter with the few guys from work that play every now and again. More vociferously than even the most ardent Elf fan. But you just don't hear about it since no one that graces the forums can credibly call themselves a casual fan.

[Alanar]

Making Drakonids playable would make a lot of critics here very happy. That said, they'll probably be one of the lowest played races in the game.

I honestly feel that Tuskarr will take that spot if they will become playable. They will end up like the Pandaren race probably.

People tend to like the more upright/humanoid cool looking races, Drakonids altho not the most wanted ever, will probably score slightly higher. Just my prediction. Ot, but it's funny I haven't seen people complain about their hight, but with Vrykul it's still an issue;p

[huth]

Tbf here, Fate of Eternity isn't so far off from what we actually got I.E Eternity's End.

Not at all, the only things it got right was something already known at the time, something that was blatantly obvious (new raid, release window) and the rough idea of the patch name.

Everything else is nonsense. There was no "Trials of the First Ones", no unified factions and no dungeon. That's no better than random guessing.

[Berkilak]

If there are players out there that will play an MMO just to play a specific race - and there are - Drakonid (ie. WoW's Dragonborn) is unique enough to draw people in. Another Elf is just another Elf. It's not going to bring in anyone new - it'll just shift the existing demographics around.

[Teriz]

Hell, it worked for the same three or four High Elf fans that were no-lifing the forums in their tiny crusade.

But anecdotally, I'm always hearing from casual players how they were expecting "those big dragon guys" instead of Dracthyr. In Discord, in Trade chat, even in idle chatter with the few guys from work that play every now and again. More vociferously than even the most ardent Elf fan. But you just don't hear about it since no one that graces the forums can credibly call themselves a casual fan.

Yeah, I can just imagine Blizzard doing it in order to keep the Dracthyr Evoker exclusive, yet still settle the demand for a dragon race. People wanting Dracthyr for multiple classes really just want Drakonids anyway. Drakonids can more easily wear transmog too, so it'll be a win-win for Blizzard.

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I honestly feel that Tuskarr will take that spot if they will become playable. They will end up like the Pandaren race probably.

People tend to like the more upright/humanoid cool looking races, Drakonids altho not the most wanted ever, will probably score slightly higher. Just my prediction. Ot, but it's funny I haven't seen people complain about their hight, but with Vrykul it's still an issue;p

TBF, I'd love a Tuskarr playable race with an Otter mount and some Eskimo-style gear. I'd race change my Warrior and Shaman immediately.