The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Unless there is a surprise second cinematic, I am surprised they didn't focus on Dalaran.

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Also the people saying Harronir got cut are insane or trolling.

[Makorus]

Unless there is a surprise second cinematic, I am surprised they didn't focus on Dalaran.

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Also the people saying Harronir got cut are insane or trolling.

No one said Harronir got cut.

Zone 4 which was most likely containing the bulk of the Harronir storyline got cut (I am not saying they won't be patch content).

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More like alpha female troll.

Harronir literally look like slightly more elvish Trolls, what are you on about?

[username993720]

We've seen bits of this cinematic already, but the full thing has some beautiful shots we hadn't seen before.

I don't get what happened to Blizzard.
What was that? The music was stupid, like how they chose to use dubstep to advertise the Warcraft movie. The visuals were beautifully crafted, but the shots made no sense. There was barely any cohesion, or a narrative to be told. It felt at times like i'm watching a Diablo studio product. It saddens my heart that they release so many of these aweful cutscenes, instead of focusing on a single great one like they used to all those years. I guess we can definitely feel the change in internal development.

[Joshuaj]

I am glad horror is being brought into WoW again. Less cute scalies, more horrors to battle against.

We literally fought against 2 Primal Incarnates, Dracthyr that vibed with the Void, Decay bullshit, and the Infinite Dragonflight.

Tf you mean "cute scalies"?

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WoW fans play their own game challenge (impossible)

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I don't get what happened to Blizzard.
What was that? The music was stupid, like how they chose to use dubstep to advertise the Warcraft movie. The visuals were beautifully crafted, but the shots made no sense. There was barely any cohesion, or a narrative to be told. It felt at times like i'm watching a Diablo studio product. It saddens my heart that they release so many of these aweful cutscenes, instead of focusing on a single great one like they used to all those years. I guess we can definitely feel the change in internal development.

It's there to showcase what lies ahead for The War Within. There doesn't need to be a narrative there...

Beyond the Veil and Take to the Skies did this same shit, and they were peak fiction.

[Makorus]

I know people are acting on bad faith on purpose but:

We have a story trailer, and now we have a teaser trailer.

It was the same for Dragonflight. We got a trailer that catches us up on the story/rough outline and then we get a trailer showcasing some of the main players of the expansion.

[Makabreska]

I don't get what happened to Blizzard.
What was that? The music was stupid, like how they chose to use dubstep to advertise the Warcraft movie. The visuals were beautifully crafted, but the shots made no sense. There was barely any cohesion, or a narrative to be told. It felt at times like i'm watching a Diablo studio product. It saddens my heart that they release so many of these aweful cutscenes, instead of focusing on a single great one like they used to all those years. I guess we can definitely feel the change in internal development.

It simply showcased the main players/races of the upcoming expansion, it wasn't meant to give any narration. TWW announcement cinematic was supposed to do that, but nowadays Blizz does extra promo materials, because why not?

And not sure what is suddenly wrong with music? It is LITERALLY the same type of epic orchestral stuff we had since day 1 of WoW, it even has moments (1:27) very similar to Vanilla logging screen. Oh, and it was not the Blizz that picked that dubstep song back then.

This seems like a very bad faith post.

[Alanar]

Harronir literally look like slightly more elvish Trolls, what are you on about?

I was literally joking, that hunched stance, ugly face. But tbh, they honestly look what ever dude, they look weird regardless. Those shots in the cinematic werent helping for me. Those youtube comments aint lying imo.

[Makorus]

I was literally joking, that hunched stance, ugly face. But tbh, they honestly look what ever dude, they look weird regardless. Those shots in the cinematic werent helping for me. Those youtube comments aint lying imo.

No way, the non-human race looks non-human. That's crazy bro! You are right, they literally should have added a Dark Ranger race, I am sure that would have satisfied you

[jeezusisacasual]

Very meh to me? Not my cup of tea nor is the narrative something i am invested in anymore either but i tend to expect a threat that is visceral and ruthless ready to piss on its enemies and yes i generally enjoy villains more so then heroes. I like the look of the villain but i have yet to see her do anything that makes her a real bastard or hopefully she becomes a villain like the purple man from the marvel universe if they want to go with a more cerebral style. Either way if the dungeons and raids are good the game will be good.

[Auxis]

I don't get what happened to Blizzard.
What was that? The music was stupid, like how they chose to use dubstep to advertise the Warcraft movie. The visuals were beautifully crafted, but the shots made no sense. There was barely any cohesion, or a narrative to be told. It felt at times like i'm watching a Diablo studio product. It saddens my heart that they release so many of these aweful cutscenes, instead of focusing on a single great one like they used to all those years. I guess we can definitely feel the change in internal development.

I mean, vanilla and tbc cinematics were just like this: random shots with no cohesion.

And afaik they were loved by all.

[Bwgmon]

But I understand people who would rather see limited resources of CGI team put into next Old Soldier.

I'm still of the opinion that the announce cinematic is "Part 1" of a series that'll continue across the Worldsoul Saga.

[username993720]

We literally fought against 2 Primal Incarnates, Dracthyr that vibed with the Void, Decay bullshit, and the Infinite Dragonflight.

Tf you mean "cute scalies"?

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It's there to showcase what lies ahead for The War Within. There doesn't need to be a narrative there...

Beyond the Veil and Take to the Skies did this same shit, and they were peak fiction.

Beyond the Veil worked well.
It had a flow and a rythm. This just seems disjointed.

I mean, vanilla and tbc cinematics were just like this: random shots with no cohesion.

And afaik they were loved by all.

But, they were coherent.
These just go back and forth between characters and places and you don't really know what the hell is going on.

It simply showcased the main players/races of the upcoming expansion, it wasn't meant to give any narration. TWW announcement cinematic was supposed to do that, but nowadays Blizz does extra promo materials, because why not?

Not literally, but through the continuation of the shots.

And not sure what is suddenly wrong with music? It is LITERALLY the same type of epic orchestral stuff we had since day 1 of WoW, it even has moments (1:27) very similar to Vanilla logging screen. Oh, and it was not the Blizz that picked that dubstep song back then.

This seems like a very bad faith post.

It was eerie most of the time.

[Alanar]

No way, the non-human race looks non-human. That's crazy bro! You are right, they literally should have added a Dark Ranger race, I am sure that would have satisfied you

Hit a nerve? I cant help you like blue avatar looking person. Ye they are soooo cool. Not.

Dark ranger race, good one!! you are hilarious bro. /paIm, it funnily enough also became a thing in hero talents in case you missed it. The random bad comeback is on you.

[Makorus]

Hit a nerve? I cant help you like blue avatar looking person. Ye they are soooo cool. Not.

Dark ranger race, you are hilarious bro. Try again. It also became a thing in hero talents in case you missed it. The bad Joke is also on you. /palm.

It's just an incredibly weird "argument" to make that the non-human race doesn't look like a human. Like, yeah, that's the appeal?

Also, I know your obsession with Elves, it's fine!

[Alanar]

It's just an incredibly weird "argument" to make that the non-human race doesn't look like a human. Like, yeah, that's the appeal?

Also, I know your obsession with Elves, it's fine!

No one said that even.. so another weird comeback here.

My obsession with elves? Curious how you got to that one. I think you really dont know me or what an obession is. Cus you clearly misstake me for some one else. So far you are not really making good points here and are frankly not relevant. Another trying really hard to get a gotcha moment. You keep missing bro.

Idk why you try to convince me that they are cool for some reason, because x, but they are simply not appealing to me.

[Merryck]

Is that one with the casting animations meant to be an elf?

Looks more trollish.

People are saying it's the evolutionary link between Elves and Trolls. They're called Harronir.

[Raetary]

Is that one with the casting animations meant to be an elf?

Looks more trollish.

It's a Harronir.

We don't know what precisely they are, given how they look they are more than likely an off shoot from the Dark Troll/Nelf evolutionary line.

[Eldryth]

Is that one with the casting animations meant to be an elf?

Looks more trollish.

An entirely new race called the Harronir. They have Night Elves' build and various assorted animal traits, like bat ears, claws and teeth from something else (not sure what), quills on their shoulders, fur...

Their (optional) teeth do somewhat resemble a female Troll's tusks, but both genders get the small ones. And Orwenya (and so far only Orwenya), the one in the cinematic, has a claw on her heel like the Trolls' nails (but with four toes and claws rather than Troll feet). But these are the only real similarities between them. Their armor is completely distinct and unique (it's all made of tree bark, leaves, and thorns), and it ultimately seems like they are- or have become- a completely different tribal race. I expect them to be the mysterious guardians mentioned in the legend of Elun'Ahir.

People are saying it's the evolutionary link between Elves and Trolls. They're called Harronir.

Like the villainous Turalyon predictions, that's a popular theory, but it doesn't actually make any sense if you look at the details. The Harronir's defining feature is the assorted animal traits they have. As neither Trolls nor Night Elves have any of those features, the Harronir don't fit as a missing link- that would require Trolls to grow bat ears, fur, claws, quills, etc... only to lose them all again when they evolved into Night Elves. It's ridiculously implausible.

A divergent evolution, on the other hand, could fit- where a completely different group of Trolls went underground, and was influenced by Elun'Ahir's Life magic and evolved into Harronir, just as Trolls influenced by the Well of Eternity evolved into Night Elves. But it makes no sense for them to lose all those new features and become Night Elves after that.

[Golden Yak]

Well, my last snippet of lore i got was that elfs literally were trolls that fell into the well of eternity. That is if Brann Bronzebeard was right.

Does it need a missing link for that process?

I don't think the process was ever said to have been that rapid. It may have taken generations of trolls dwelling near the Well of Eternity to evolve into night elves. These harronir may be a splinter group that left at some point before their people had developed into the night elf form.

[Civciv]

World of Elfcraft, surely another elvish race will save the game!