The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Telogrus]

Is there really leaks suggesting we go to K’aresh in TWW? It seems like it’s the Void’s Argus, so I always imagined it being either the middle or last patch of Midnight

[Eldryth]

Is there really leaks suggesting we go to K’aresh in TWW? It seems like it’s the Void’s Argus, so I always imagined it being either the middle or last patch of Midnight

I think there were item strings for an Ethereal raid, so there was some speculation that it could be on K'aresh. And it all lines up with loot from the Nexus-Princess boss in Nerubar Palace so it feels like even more of a stretch than the assumptions that the possible Goblin raid must mean that we're going to Undermine.

I agree that K'aresh itself fits better with Midnight. I could maybe see an Ethereal raid here on Azeroth in TWW, with the Shadowguard helping Xal'atath, but TWW should focus on going deeper and deeper into Azeroth. We can go to K'aresh and ally with the non-Void Ethereals in the next expansion.

[Kiivar86]

Is there really leaks suggesting we go to K’aresh in TWW? It seems like it’s the Void’s Argus, so I always imagined it being either the middle or last patch of Midnight

Far as I know the only thing pointing that way are a few items that contain the words ethereal raid in them that are in the first raid of TWW, but that could also have a few reasons. From what I recall, the items are all ones that drop from the ethereal boss, so that could be the simplest reason. Yes, there is the goblin raid item(s) as well but in that case we have nothing goblin-related in the first raid so far, so that's a bit more mysterious as to why.

[username993720]

... what? Vanilla cinematic has narration about war at the start then proceeds to just cycle through characters and places.

Same goes for TBC. Illidan brooding and random shots of characters in different places - granted the draenei and blood elf have some progression over their 2 scenes each; there's also a random warlock and warrior on a raptor for some reason?

It wasn't until WotLK that we got cinematics with clear stories.

Yet, you knew what was going on. One led to another. Meaning, they started out by presenting the characters and then pit them against each other. Here, there's not much explanation. The Earthen operates a forge, the Harronir does a dance, the Arathi gets ready for battle. Yet, there is no payoff. What is it for? They need to show what happens as a consequence.

[huth]

Yet, you knew what was going on. One led to another. Meaning, they started out by presenting the characters and then pit them against each other. Here, there's not much explanation. The Earthen operates a forge, the Harronir does a dance, the Arathi gets ready for battle. Yet, there is no payoff. What is it for? They need to show what happens as a consequence.

Neither did those original cinematics. Nor is there an actual need. This is a trailer, an opening. Not the climax and conclusion.

[Nebron]

It was teased in the beta ^.^

Perfect

[FossilFree]

I think there were item strings for an Ethereal raid, so there was some speculation that it could be on K'aresh. And it all lines up with loot from the Nexus-Princess boss in Nerubar Palace so it feels like even more of a stretch than the assumptions that the possible Goblin raid must mean that we're going to Undermine.

I agree that K'aresh itself fits better with Midnight. I could maybe see an Ethereal raid here on Azeroth in TWW, with the Shadowguard helping Xal'atath, but TWW should focus on going deeper and deeper into Azeroth. We can go to K'aresh and ally with the non-Void Ethereals in the next expansion.

My money's on the final patch of TWW going to Avaloren. That had real breadcrumbs before the so-called leak used the name. I think everyone will have claustrophobia-exhaustion from an entire expansion underground, so they will "release us" back to the open world again. It will follow the Arathi Empire story thread, and I'm also betting the final boss of the expansion will be the "Lightbound" Arathi Emperor.

[Lady Atia]

My money's on the final patch of TWW going to Avaloren. That had real breadcrumbs before the so-called leak used the name. I think everyone will have claustrophobia-exhaustion from an entire expansion underground, so they will "release us" back to the open world again. It will follow the Arathi Empire story thread, and I'm also betting the final boss of the expansion will be the "Lightbound" Arathi Emperor.

No wtf, Avaloren will be it's own expansion or saga, not shitty patch content.

[username993720]

Neither did those original cinematics. Nor is there an actual need. This is a trailer, an opening. Not the climax and conclusion.

You don't get it.
There's no context through visuals.

[huth]

No wtf, Avaloren will be it's own expansion or saga, not shitty patch content.

I certainly hope they take the Worldsoul trilogy to build up Avaloren before we actually go there.

[Alanar]

No wtf, Avaloren will be it's own expansion or saga, not shitty patch content.

There is really no way to tell yet. It can in fact end up being patch content, aka Nazjatar etc. Ez.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

You don't get it.
There's no context through visuals.

I'm not sure what cinematic you were watching, or (most likely) what narratively you're desperately clinging to, but anybody with eyes could garner context through this cinematic.

Just because it's not the same formulaic approach to WoW cinematics as you're accustomed to, and your personal bias aside, does not automatically mean the cinematic is a nothingburger.

Also, using vanilla WoW's cinematic is a terrible example of what you're trying to get across.

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Well, my last snippet of lore i got was that elfs literally were trolls that fell into the well of eternity. That is if Brann Bronzebeard was right.

Does it need a missing link for that process?

Night Elves were originally Dark Trolls who, because of their proximity to the Well of Eternity and its arcane energies, evolved over time into Night Elves.

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My money's on the final patch of TWW going to Avaloren. That had real breadcrumbs before the so-called leak used the name. I think everyone will have claustrophobia-exhaustion from an entire expansion underground, so they will "release us" back to the open world again. It will follow the Arathi Empire story thread, and I'm also betting the final boss of the expansion will be the "Lightbound" Arathi Emperor.

I'm all in on going to Avaloren, but it most definitely will not be a content patch.

Or, I should say, it should not.

[Ersula]

I won't be surprised if internally, Blizzard is discussing "Why does everyone think Harronir are half-troll half-night elves? They were clearly designed to be sexy quillboar."

[Mekkle]

I won't be surprised if internally, Blizzard is discussing "Why does everyone think Harronir are half-troll half-night elves? They were clearly designed to be sexy quillboar."

im like 90% sure they are bats that evolved with the roots and people are thinking way to hard about it

[Makorus]

im like 90% sure they are bats that evolved with the roots and people are thinking way to hard about it

I mean, they literally have quills.

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No wtf, Avaloren will be it's own expansion or saga, not shitty patch content.

It will be its own expansion and Saga based on... what?

[KOUNTERPARTS]

im like 90% sure they are bats that evolved with the roots and people are thinking way to hard about it

Never thought about that. This would be an interesting development.

[Lady Atia]

I mean, they literally have quills.

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It will be its own expansion and Saga based on... what?

Because it's a new continent with a new empire and we never ever wanna waste an expansion setting again after shitty BFA?

[Ersula]

Because it's a new continent with a new empire and we never ever wanna waste an expansion setting again after shitty BFA?

"This could have been a standalone expansion setting" has been the premise of the final tier of every expansion since Legion

Argus - Ny'alotha - Realm of the First Ones - The Emerald Dream

Although I fully predict the saga is breaking that trend - Only so Avaloren can be the final tier of The Last Titan.

[username993720]

I'm not sure what cinematic you were watching, or (most likely) what narratively you're desperately clinging to, but anybody with eyes could garner context through this cinematic.

Just because it's not the same formulaic approach to WoW cinematics as you're accustomed to, and your personal bias aside, does not automatically mean the cinematic is a nothingburger.

Also, using vanilla WoW's cinematic is a terrible example of what you're trying to get across.

I would compare it to Beyond the Veil, which was executed better.

[Makabreska]

Because it's a new continent with a new empire and we never ever wanna waste an expansion setting again after shitty BFA?

But it's not we who is developing this game. Avaloren can be an expansion continent, or it can be a patch place. Nothing is really set in stone.