The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1831887089652404354

Looks like Windrunner #3 will show up soon.

[Jolly Roger]

the black blood might react if mixed with Azerite and of course as we know azerite was not first encountered in BfA as it is supposed to be what led to goblin evolution. Xal could use gallywix to mine the deeper deposits of azerite and use them as a mixer with the black blood especially if azeroth is not naturally a titan.

[Raetary]

Reminder that Xal admitted that she lured us into a war with the Nerubians because that conflict empowered the Black Blood.
And we know that the blood is creeping onto the roots.

Everyone's speculating about drills and repairs, but the plot could be just straight forwardly Xal enabling an escalating conflict between the Goblin Cartels and the Haranir.

[Al Gorefiend]

I don't love the idea of mixing a potential Goblin and Rootlands patch (unless we were to get both Rootlands and Undermine as zones), but the questline at Opportunity Point lays some ground work for the intermingling of the themes.

It's quite literally Goblins taking over an Earthen depot, using the hot springs as a "resort", having you disperse an uprooted mole community, then kill a deepstrider who's ghost haunts them, forcing you to rid of it's skull, where it revives after entangling you with roots. I mean, the questline ends with the main goblin at the resort saying "Huh, I guess that makes me appreciate the beauty in nature!".

I detest the idea of villain batting Goblins every time so I'd really, really like to deal with their bullshit in a way that isn't mass Goblicide.

Or even better, let us decide who to do quests for. Goblins or Undertrolls.

[Makabreska]

I detest the idea of villain batting Goblins every time so I'd really, really like to deal with their bullshit in a way that isn't mass Goblicide.

Or even better, let us decide who to do quests for. Goblins or Undertrolls.

Unfortunately, it's just too easy to make Goblins do morally dubious stuff. All you need to do is dangle a coin in front of their faces.

[Nymrohd]

I detest the idea of villain batting Goblins every time so I'd really, really like to deal with their bullshit in a way that isn't mass Goblicide.

Or even better, let us decide who to do quests for. Goblins or Undertrolls.

You will have Gazlowe on the heroic goblin side. The Venture Co. are not being villain batted, they have always been villains.

[Scyth]

https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1831887089652404354

Looks like Windrunner #3 will show up soon.

Hopefully it's so we can get rid of her for good

[Sondrelk]

I would unironically support the 11.1 hype pre-release cinematic consisting of Xal floating into Gallywix's office to offer him a barony in space in exchange for his services in getting to the core, whereupon he reveals he's way ahead of her and pulls the curtain on a comically large, phallic drill, which will be the scene of the Rootlands raid.

It's not really the kind of cinematic Blizzard makes for sure. But I think it could work. Just make it Gallywix recounting how the meeting went in his mind, followed by showing the absolutely deplorable conditions the Goblins are actually in.
Would fit both the zany Goblin aesthetic, without having to downplay how sinister Xal'atath and her dealings actually are.

[milkmustache]

It's not really the kind of cinematic Blizzard makes for sure. But I think it could work. Just make it Gallywix recounting how the meeting went in his mind, followed by showing the absolutely deplorable conditions the Goblins are actually in.
Would fit both the zany Goblin aesthetic, without having to downplay how sinister Xal'atath and her dealings actually are.

This is actually a good call. Very reminiscent of Denathrius' speech for Revandreth in the Shadowlands cinematic, but you're right, Blizzard's angle would be a narration from the PoV of a character like Gallywix.

I still think that the best segue into Undermine for Xal'atath is using the Venture Co/Gallywix/Darkfuse whatever in reforging the Dark Heart just as they did the Dragon Soul. Open that up however you want, but that's going to be the bridge in some way I believe.

Another thing to point out-- have we discussed the "Woldclaimed Freysworn" NPCs/objects around the Isle of Dorn? There's very little to understand about them other than the fact they're a very devout group that seems to follow the edicts with an additional clause the Oathsworn do not abide by. There's one that's alive that begins to tell us about it, but cuts themselves short, implying they've learned about this additional edict from others. It seeeeeems like they may have had some interaction with the Haranir and Freya both, which brought forth this new edict? Aside from the non-interactable NPCs and a book or two, there's not much else about them, which leads me to believe a Rootlands patch would cover them as well (and Earthen druids?).

[Cheezits]

You will have Gazlowe on the heroic goblin side. The Venture Co. are not being villain batted, they have always been villains.

Venture Co are treated rather normally this expac, save for the ones we fight in the Meadery. I assume they will be our ally renown in Undermine, letting us work with Gallywix (who despite being a bad dude isn't a straight villain), and the Darkfuse Company will be the villains due to their set up in the campaign and the name having ties to both the Void and the Blackfuse Company (who were the goblins who influenced Garrosh's True Horde and Iron Horde)

The goblins making the Dragon Soul is too clever of a tie-in to this expansion for them to pass it up, and seeing as the Dark Heart is in need of repairs right now I assume this is the next major patch with the Haranir being the finale.

[Makorus]

Not a community-made rumor.

There’s actually a book in-game you can find in DF (forbidden reach I think) that mentions 5 old gods.

The quote from the book.

Important reminder that that book is literally just a copy of a book from Vanilla with added comments, which was literally just copied straight from the WC3 manual.

I wouldn't bet anything on that still being lore-accurate.

[Cheezits]

Important reminder that that book is literally just a copy of a book from Vanilla with added comments, which was literally just copied straight from the WC3 manual.

I wouldn't bet anything on that still being lore-accurate.

The latest chronicles mentions both five and four old gods at one point. Even if it's not Xal I'm pretty sure they are setting up a fifth old god that died early on.

[Nightshade711]

Important reminder that that book is literally just a copy of a book from Vanilla with added comments, which was literally just copied straight from the WC3 manual.

I wouldn't bet anything on that still being lore-accurate.

It was a copy of the book with edits. They could have just as easily rewritten the five to four or had some comment in the book on how they’re wrong about five.

[Alanar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-dar...-rework-346520

Not to bad I would say. There are atleast some more visuals.

[Raetary]

Hopefully it's so we can get rid of her for good

I'd rather they actually made her do something useful for once.

And i know her kids are a point of contention, but with Blizzard setting up the next generation of characters and half elves no longer being this all hated thing with the addition of the Arathi, i think its time to introduce them as proper characters.

[Cheezits]

I have a feeling they purposefully ignored Vereesa because she will be a huge part of Midnight due to the "elf reunion" pointing towards the Quel'dorei being a focal point. But because story twitter whined we will be getting a cameo.

I wouldn't be surprised if the main cast of Midnight is actually very different and that is why they are being specific with what characters appear in TWW. Would be a nice change up and help keep people from being fatigued like they were with Sylvanas, Anduin and Tyrande being spammed for six years.

[Nymrohd]

Venture Co are treated rather normally this expac, save for the ones we fight in the Meadery. I assume they will be our ally renown in Undermine, letting us work with Gallywix (who despite being a bad dude isn't a straight villain), and the Darkfuse Company will be the villains due to their set up in the campaign and the name having ties to both the Void and the Blackfuse Company (who were the goblins who influenced Garrosh's True Horde and Iron Horde)

The goblins making the Dragon Soul is too clever of a tie-in to this expansion for them to pass it up, and seeing as the Dark Heart is in need of repairs right now I assume this is the next major patch with the Haranir being the finale.

Imo there is no reality in which Jastor Gallywix is anything but a villain.

[micwini]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-dar...-rework-346520

Not to bad I would say. There are atleast some more visuals.

It seems blizzard didnt learn enough from Shadowlands.

[Ersula]

It seems blizzard didnt learn enough from Shadowlands.

In what way? If this is a "yeah they gave us Dark Ranger customization but now if I use anything other than this new hero spec that didn't exist 6 months ago I will never be happy" post, just stuff it. And I say that as a Dark Ranger stan. The amount of entitlement from people who counterintuitively play survival & RP Dark Rangers is infuriating.

[CasualFilth]

Any idea what those earthquakes in the Delves are? You also get an emote message when they happen.