The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Yknow, we actually don't know how Dagran I and Moira first met, was she exchanging letters as part of diplomatic talks? Was he planning to get tge Bronzebeards to help him free his people from Ragnaros?

According to Chronicles, Moira was originally kidnapped by Dagran—but he had more respect for her than Magni ever did and confessed that he ultimately wanted to free the Dark Iron from Ragnaros, so Moira fell in love with him.

[Scyth]

Nerub'ar Palace music is 10/10, wow

[Joshuaj]

Wait I was watching Deadpool and Wolverine. Tf you mean music is up???

[Skytotem]

According to Chronicles, Moira was originally kidnapped by Dagran—but he had more respect for her than Magni ever did and confessed that he ultimately wanted to free the Dark Iron from Ragnaros, so Moira fell in love with him.

Shame he couldn't tell anyone else that without getting shanked by Ragnaros loyalists and so died a villain.

[Bwgmon]

Build is out, music is in.

Gonna avoid spoiling too much, but I had to give the login screen and inn themes a listen.

Incredibly good stuff. Some of the leitmotifs are surprisingly cinematic. I can't wait to experience the rest of it in the game.

[Xilurm]

16 minutes login screen music, hell yeah!

[Makorus]

Where are all the "NOooooo, Blizzard is lazy now, they totally won't release a 16 minute login screen music! (even though thats what they always did)" guys now?

[Xilurm]

Where are all the "NOooooo, Blizzard is lazy now, they totally won't release a 16 minute login screen music! (even though thats what they always did)" guys now?

Preparing for the 12.0 Beta cycle.

[Santandame]

Where are all the "NOooooo, Blizzard is lazy now, they totally won't release a 16 minute login screen music! (even though thats what they always did)" guys now?

Probably still within the confines of your imagination.

[Xilurm]

Wonder where this plays. I can see myself chilling there for a while because of this music.

[Santandame]

Wonder where this plays. I can see myself chilling there for a while because of this music.

It’ll be at the main town in Hallowfall.

It has a very Witcher 3 sound to it; I like it.

[Doffen]

Hallowfall is filled with epic music!

[allegrian]

I wonder if they'll make this artwork with the full cast the main one instead of the one with the 3 against nerubians

[Nymrohd]

According to Chronicles, Moira was originally kidnapped by Dagran—but he had more respect for her than Magni ever did and confessed that he ultimately wanted to free the Dark Iron from Ragnaros, so Moira fell in love with him.

The fact that Blizzard still kept a Stockholm Syndrome narrative for Moira even though everything in game showed the Dark Irons under Dagran to be villains is maddening to me. I'd rather have had Moira just be a shrewd noble who was not above using her sex to both improve her living conditions while captured and see an opportunity to unite her people under Dagran II who she would raise. Moira should have been a Game of Thrones hero, not a damsel in distress that fell for her captor.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The fact that Blizzard still kept a Stockholm Syndrome narrative for Moira even though everything in game showed the Dark Irons under Dagran to be villains is maddening to me. I'd rather have had Moira just be a shrewd noble who was not above using her sex to both improve her living conditions while captured and see an opportunity to unite her people under Dagran II who she would raise. Moira should have been a Game of Thrones hero, not a damsel in distress that fell for her captor.

I don't think she's ever been portrayed as a victim of Stockholm Syndrome; her relationship with Dagran seems pretty genuine. In fact, the portrayal of her as "shrewd" you're advocating for seems pretty on-point for how she already is, save that she's not really a seductress as much as a generally ambitious person who wound up adapting well to the cutthroat Dark Iron culture.

[Nymrohd]

I don't think she's ever been portrayed as a victim of Stockholm Syndrome; her relationship with Dagran seems pretty genuine. In fact, the portrayal of her as "shrewd" you're advocating for seems pretty on-point for how she already is, save that she's not really a seductress as much as a generally ambitious person who wound up adapting well to the cutthroat Dark Iron culture.

Her falling in love with someone who kidnapped her violently and killed her entire guard is not a reasonable reaction. It is a fantasy staple but it is one entirely rooted on misogyny that I can excuse in fairy tales written in 1740, not when it is reproduced now.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Her falling in love with someone who kidnapped her violently and killed her entire guard is not a reasonable reaction. It is a fantasy staple but it is one entirely rooted on misogyny that I can excuse in fairy tales written in 1740, not when it is reproduced now.

You seem to be missing the point of her bonding with Dagran—I'm pretty sure her response to the killing of her guard has less to do with some kind of feeble feminine inability to resist the sway of her captor as much as that she's just a callous person to begin with who doesn't really give a shit that he kidnapped her or killed people. Moira was always ambitious and spiteful, and she found someone who was also ambitious and spiteful who also had more respect for her than her father did.

The context of the kidnapping also makes it pretty difficult to conflate with this trope you're asserting is in play—Dagran didn't kidnap Moira as part of an "I have you now, my pretty! Muahahaha!"-type scheme. His idea was more to use the implicit threat of harm (as Magni would see it, at least) to Moira to deter a direct attack by Ironforge. It's much less rapey and much more political.

[allegrian]

Even if Dark Iron were evil in vanilla, they were not mindless monsters. They had prisoners instead of just killing everyone like most wow villains. I think the dark iron story, build up and dungeon + raid are some of the coolest stories and themes from vanilla. Too bad that the aftermath with moira and the thee hammers is only told in books. Looking forward to see Dagran II develop in future expansions (and grow a beard)

[Xilurm]

Does Dagran II know we killed his dad?

[BaumanKing]

Alleria's theme kinda reminds me of Across the Stars from Attack of the Clones. A very beautiful and melancholic track.