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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    Tf you mean music is up???
    Being that you post in English and respond to people's posts in English, I assume you also understand English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Does Dagran II know we killed his dad?
    This will be, potentially, an interesting development but I feel as if Blizzard will gloss over this in favor of telling the estranged family dynamic story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    Nerub'ar Palace music is 10/10, wow
    Came here to say this as well!

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    Haven't been this impressed with the soundtrack since BFA. Hallowfall and Dorne are standouts.

    No new goblin music in their areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Does Dagran II know we killed his dad?
    He does, but he's also of the mind that the previous dwarven leaders basically killed themselves, including his own father, by being stupid and hidebound to traditions they didn't actually understand. He extends that dim view to his own people, as well.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Seems the server break did them good, zones and quests seems much more stable now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Haven't been this impressed with the soundtrack since BFA. Hallowfall and Dorne are standouts.

    No new goblin music in their areas.
    Yeah, its so good! Logged in at a house at first today in Dorn and WOW that was great! And its been uphill all day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Her falling in love with someone who kidnapped her violently and killed her entire guard is not a reasonable reaction. It is a fantasy staple but it is one entirely rooted on misogyny that I can excuse in fairy tales written in 1740, not when it is reproduced now.
    You know how at the beginning of Final Fantasy 9, Garnet is asked to get kidnapped? Because that's the only way her guard would let her go? It's like that. Magni's interpretation of what happened is not what actually happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Sooooo what's everyone's favourite soundtrack so far?
    Hard to choose.
    There are a lot of really good tracks this time.

    Some Highlights for me are Hallowfall/Dornogal Inn, Nerub'ar, Cinderbrew, Xal'atath, Priory and Warcraft Battle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Her falling in love with someone who kidnapped her violently and killed her entire guard is not a reasonable reaction. It is a fantasy staple but it is one entirely rooted on misogyny that I can excuse in fairy tales written in 1740, not when it is reproduced now.
    It's ironic albeit predictable by taking the narrative you bring up away (using sexuality as a weapon) they've made her even more misoginistically cast. That's why I can't buy into the past 5-6 years of "white-washing" Warcraft.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    You seem to be missing the point of her bonding with Dagran—I'm pretty sure her response to the killing of her guard has less to do with some kind of feeble feminine inability to resist the sway of her captor as much as that she's just a callous person to begin with who doesn't really give a shit that he kidnapped her or killed people. Moira was always ambitious and spiteful, and she found someone who was also ambitious and spiteful who also had more respect for her than her father did.

    The context of the kidnapping also makes it pretty difficult to conflate with this trope you're asserting is in play—Dagran didn't kidnap Moira as part of an "I have you now, my pretty! Muahahaha!"-type scheme. His idea was more to use the implicit threat of harm (as Magni would see it, at least) to Moira to deter a direct attack by Ironforge. It's much less rapey and much more political.
    Then why by killing Dagran and sparing her in-game does it say "<You think that Princess Bronzebeard may still be suffering from the residual effect of the Emperor's spell.>"

    She's not won over to Dagran under sound mind and body. Being that callous as you describe doesn't fit. She rejoins the Alliance. Dagran made that impossible, he pledged allegiance to Ragnaros. She backtracked once free. It is rapey, which you deny against the facts. She was under spell/duress and they had a child.
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    Started in closed beta, probably before your class was even in the game.

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    Xal'atath's theme is very Quel'thalas. Excited for Midnight for sure.

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    Big changes coming to the event - really good ones at that!

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    Is there a new dragonracing theme for this expac? Or are they reusing the Dragon Isles theme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Is there a new dragonracing theme for this expac? Or are they reusing the Dragon Isles theme?
    Yes there is a new epic theme for it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by meroes View Post
    She's not won over to Dagran under sound mind and body. Being that callous as you describe doesn't fit. She rejoins the Alliance. Dagran made that impossible, he pledged allegiance to Ragnaros. She backtracked once free. It is rapey, which you deny against the facts. She was under spell/duress and they had a child.
    The "unreliable narrator" concept is very clearly meant to be at play here. The entire point of that quote is supposed to hammer in your character's own confusion at her defection and the subversion, and your confusion is shared by Magni. Your character and Magni reach that conclusion, but the funny thing about your character and Magni is that neither are omniscient and both are under conditions where they need to concoct a justification for what just happened. Even if we're supposed to take it as anything but implied with the subtlety of a jackhammer that the "emperor's spell" was a purely imaginary cope in the original text, that would've been retconned as of Chronicles, which from (what was originally meant to be) a purely neutral and meta-level perspective brought up everything but a geas when it came to her defection.

    Secondly, it's not exactly as if Moira came back to Ironforge kneeling at the feet of Varian and pleading to be let into the nascent Good Boy's Club; she began by staging what was basically a legitimized coup and putting Ironforge under martial law. She only "backtracked" into the Alliance after Anduin (whom she kidnapped, putting her relationship with the Alliance at the beginning in a pretty hostile place) pleaded for her life on the grounds that her death or removal would cause a dwarven civil war and drag the Alliance into it. She didn't join the Alliance because the veil had finally lifted and she knew in her heart of hearts that the only way forward was Anduinism, she joined because she was nearly overthrown but kept in power as a political move.

    Even then, until MoP began the flaw-scrubbings that would soon drown the Alliance by BfA, Moira was still very clearly a politician at her core; she prioritized the Dark Irons to the point she was willing to scapegoat the Wildhammers for their benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    Being that you post in English and respond to people's posts in English, I assume you also understand English.

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    This will be, potentially, an interesting development but I feel as if Blizzard will gloss over this in favor of telling the estranged family dynamic story.

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    Came here to say this as well!
    I typed that in shock cause I was watching a movie when it all came up. Like I was genuinely surprised. Cut the attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    Yes there is a new epic theme for it !
    Wait I gotta look this up. The dragonracing music was peak

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    This soundtrack is actually so great. I know I'm going to enjoy this expansion purely because of the soundtrack. And no doubt Midnight will be peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meroes View Post
    Then why by killing Dagran and sparing her in-game does it say "<You think that Princess Bronzebeard may still be suffering from the residual effect of the Emperor's spell.>"

    She's not won over to Dagran under sound mind and body. Being that callous as you describe doesn't fit. She rejoins the Alliance. Dagran made that impossible, he pledged allegiance to Ragnaros. She backtracked once free. It is rapey, which you deny against the facts. She was under spell/duress and they had a child.
    All of this is cleared up in the shattering/chronicles.

    Dagran wanted to free his people from Rag.

    Moria fell for him and the dark irons as a people because they treated her with respect which her father and people didn’t because they were sexist.

    There was never any spell that’s just what magni believed because he couldn’t except she would fall in love.

    After Dagrans death Moria choose to stay as the dark irons empress and is the one who set up the down fall of Rag.

    She didn’t care about rejoining the alliance and just wanted to reunite iron forge and shadow forge as the rightful heir. She even cut all contact with the alliance when she took the throne and tried to hold anduin hostage so they wouldn’t act while she consolidated her power.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    Yes there is a new epic theme for it !
    Do you have a link for it please?

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    I'm impressed they completely redesigned event in just 2 days. Of course backlash was massive, but I expected just turning on week 3 cooldown and calling it a day.

    About music, can anyone point me to track that we hear at the end of last CGI cinematic?

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    I'm loving what little of the music I've heard so far. I'm not spoiling myself by looking up on youtube yet, but the songs from the log in screen and cinematics has sounded amazing

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    Hahaha how did they manage to fuck up the event even more? The lag is still there and I literally got 0 gear rewards from 45 minutes of farming it. It's also straight up boring to fly between the mini events and pray for the boss to not be bugged and actually give you any rewards at the end wow.

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