The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Merryck]

Anyone seen this one? It's a really good speculation vid about the Titans actually being behind the First Ones and the Shadowlands.

This is madness.

[Scyth]

Imagine if it turns out its just a desktop wallpaper or smth of Xal smirking yet again lmao

Even worse, imagine if it's a trailer about Xal but she barely features in it and only shows up at the end, smirking, of course.

For a character that's supposed to be our next big villain, they've done an awful job of showing anything related to Xal, so far at least.

[Cheezits]

Anyone seen this one? It's a really good speculation vid about the Titans actually being behind the First Ones and the Shadowlands.

I like the idea of the First Ones being a scam invented by the Titans to divert blame from themselves being the reason the Shadowlands are the way they are.

Additionally, they can pretend they are "special to the First Ones" to elevate themselves as needed.

This could even be the reason they apparently have a special connection to their Zereth while Zovaal got banished for messing with his: only they are allowed to play with them. Because they made them.

[Joshuaj]

Anyone seen this one? It's a really good speculation vid about the Titans actually being behind the First Ones and the Shadowlands.

I saw the video. I know this might sound typical of me, but I genuinely do not like it. A lot of things in the video are straight nonsense and after chatting with the creator of the video on it, the video itself is simply based around wishful thinking due to them not really liking the idea of the First Ones being above the Titans.

The video itself is kinda silly too, with the theory that the Titans created the First Ones as "arcane entities of pure geometric design" or that places such as Zereth Mortis and Zereth Vitae were created within the Twisting Nether (which is silly as the Nether, based off current lore, is implied to be the realm of Disorder and most likely has its own Zereth workshop behind it).

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I like the idea of the First Ones being a scam invented by the Titans to divert blame from themselves being the reason the Shadowlands are the way they are.

Additionally, they can pretend they are "special to the First Ones" to elevate themselves as needed.

This could even be the reason they apparently have a special connection to their Zereth while Zovaal got banished for messing with his: only they are allowed to play with them. Because they made them.

What "special connection" to their Zereth are you talking about? Cause nothing in the game implies the Titans have a special connection to Zereth Ordus whatsoever

[Enrif]

Anyone seen this one? It's a really good speculation vid about the Titans actually being behind the First Ones and the Shadowlands.

https://youtu.be/nq8UUjq32IM

This is a video from one of Pyromancers followers. It is nearly as mad as his own stuff.

I'm by far not against speculations, but Pyromancer and his fans take their speculations into conspiratory directions that are too mad to take serious. Like, since the introduction of domination magic, whenever somewhere are some runes it is always "THAT IS DOMINATION!!!", instead of considering that it is just normal runes. Like, the one image that shows sargeras before he became the leader of the burning legion where he wields a sword with blue runes and has blue runes on his stuff. It is just arcane runes. Nothing with dominiation. More often then not, stuff is at their face value what it is until proven different.

[Nathanyel]

No way, that's Sivir from League of Legends !

Second time I've seen this, don't know much about LoL characters, could you elaborate how this eye closeup reminds you of what appears to be a Warrior-type character? Cause otherwise it feels like this is drawing on very superficial comparisons of two "mighty female" characters.

Of course there's nothing new under the sun, and media openly steals from each other, but we gotta stop with these silly comparisons of characters that have nothing to do with each other.

What "special connection" to their Zereth are you talking about? Cause nothing in the game implies the Titans have a special connection to Zereth Ordus whatsoever

Well, the Titans have been to Zereth Ordus, but I rather understood that as them being invited there, to be taught, "educated" about the ways of Order.

[Chickat]

I can't recall the last time i actually did that.

I mean most classes that cant heal need to eat occasionally.

[huth]

I mean most classes that cant heal need to eat occasionally.

Most really don't nowadays. Especially if you have the better lifeleech back enchant.

[Lady Atia]

I mean most classes that cant heal need to eat occasionally.

No they don't in retail, lol. The only thing you could do is using food for regging health before a raid pull in order to not annoy your healers but for that you can just use bandages instead aswell. Or have an evoker in your raid.

Other than that, you only use food for getting the food buff in modern wow.

[Xilurm]

I like the idea of the First Ones being a scam invented by the Titans to divert blame from themselves being the reason the Shadowlands are the way they are.

Yeah, same here.

I saw the video. I know this might sound typical of me, but I genuinely do not like it. A lot of things in the video are straight nonsense and after chatting with the creator of the video on it, the video itself is simply based around wishful thinking due to them not really liking the idea of the First Ones being above the Titans.

The video itself is kinda silly too, with the theory that the Titans created the First Ones as "arcane entities of pure geometric design" or that places such as Zereth Mortis and Zereth Vitae were created within the Twisting Nether (which is silly as the Nether, based off current lore, is implied to be the realm of Disorder and most likely has its own Zereth workshop behind it).

I think having multiple pantheons per plane isn't cool at all, and the Titans be top dogs of the cosmos without diminishing their role (like they were before Shadowlands) will always be the most intriguing way to tell the story.

This is a video from one of Pyromancers followers. It is nearly as mad as his own stuff.

I'm by far not against speculations, but Pyromancer and his fans take their speculations into conspiratory directions that are too mad to take serious. Like, since the introduction of domination magic, whenever somewhere are some runes it is always "THAT IS DOMINATION!!!", instead of considering that it is just normal runes. Like, the one image that shows sargeras before he became the leader of the burning legion where he wields a sword with blue runes and has blue runes on his stuff. It is just arcane runes. Nothing with dominiation. More often then not, stuff is at their face value what it is until proven different.

I mean, if we're talking about taking things at face value, a lot of people disagree with Azeroth being imprisoned, even though we have the logo of The Last Titan being the very same rings that are used to imprison the incarnates. We even have a toy, and in one of the recent trailers you can literally see blurry golden rings circle around the world soul. That's not a coincidence.

In Pyromancer's defense, he did make a theory video about the world being a prison, before Sylvanas mentioned it in the Shadowlands trailer.

[allegrian]

I have only seen people eat/drink food for health/mana in high end arenas and only some classes (healers, mages, rogues)

[Lady Atia]

I have only seen people eat/drink food for health/mana in high end arenas and only some classes (healers, mages, rogues)

You can't eat regular food in rated arena's anyways, only conjured stuff.

[Zardas]

Second time I've seen this, don't know much about LoL characters, could you elaborate how this eye closeup reminds you of what appears to be a Warrior-type character? Cause otherwise it feels like this is drawing on very superficial comparisons of two "mighty female" characters.

I'd say that it's mostly the hair, the little tiara thing, and the general artstyle that's kind of reminiscent of a lol artwork (not so much the new ones, but Sivir is a very old champ). But of course that was just a joke, any kind of similarities that one can see between them is just coincidential. Riot doesn't have a monopoly on women with dark hair and tiara.

[Nathanyel]

I'd say that it's mostly the hair, the little tiara thing, and the general artstyle that's kind of reminiscent of a lol artwork

Ah ok, that I understand. Guess I've been a little irritable after people said Orweyna in the latest trailer looks like from Avatar (blue skin and "savage", as if that's not a Troll staple since before the WoW days)

[Enrif]

I mean, if we're talking about taking things at face value, a lot of people disagree with Azeroth being imprisoned, even though we have the logo of The Last Titan being the very same rings that are used to imprison the incarnates. We even have a toy, and in one of the recent trailers you can literally see blurry golden rings circle around the world soul. That's not a coincidence.

In Pyromancer's defense, he did make a theory video about the world being a prison, before Sylvanas mentioned it in the Shadowlands trailer.

We have no proof either way. Sure, indication and iconography could imply that. But that is a far cry from seeing things as confirmed. Besides, Sylvanas "this world is a prison" is on a totally different meaning. It was about the cycle of life and death and the lack of free choice being a prison, which was a fallacy in the first place, as the "prophesized" events to Sylvanas by the Jailor were orchestrated by him and his allies.

[SkyTides]

I enjoyed that speculation video a lot - especially the similarities between shadowlands and the matrix/wizard of Oz.

Sure its a bit 'out there' but its all good fun.

Can't wait to see the animated shorts soon!

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

There is this arakkoan staff in the TWW database. Does anyone know if the arakkoa is mentioned at any time in the TWW story - maybe in Hallowfall? Is Skyreach coming back as a M+ dungeon?

If none of the above exists, maybe this staff could hint at a development of Yrel's Light's Army or whatever it's called from Draenor? If that's not it, what do you think the story would be on how this staff found its way to underground Azeroth all the way from Draenor? I guess it could be a random "adventurer" that then lost the staff there one way or another, but that's a boring answer :P
Maybe it's tied to the ethereals in TWW that like to travel the world to trade stuff, but that could still be a connection to Yrel, no?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=226111/...-staff#outfits

[Sondrelk]

There is this arakkoan staff in the TWW database. Does anyone know if the arakkoa is mentioned at any time in the TWW story - maybe in Hallowfall? Is Skyreach coming back as a M+ dungeon?

If none of the above exists, maybe this staff could hint at a development of Yrel's Light's Army or whatever it's called from Draenor? If that's not it, what do you think the story would be on how this staff found its way to underground Azeroth all the way from Draenor? I guess it could be a random "adventurer" that then lost the staff there one way or another, but that's a boring answer :P
Maybe it's tied to the ethereals in TWW that like to travel the world to trade stuff, but that could still be a connection to Yrel, no?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=226111/...-staff#outfits

Skyreach as a M+ dungeon would definitely be my guess at least. Some unused appearance from WoD brought back to be used as a drop.

[Kiivar86]

Skyreach as a M+ dungeon would definitely be my guess at least. Some unused appearance from WoD brought back to be used as a drop.

Alternatively, WoD would be next after MoP if they continue chronologically in remix. Maybe prepping it?

[Santandame]

You can't eat regular food in rated arena's anyways, only conjured stuff.

That is a lie.

Any conjured food/water will disappear upon zoning into an arena. You absolutely can buy certain food/water to take into arena to replenish mana.

This is the water currently used in arenas.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=197771/...ragon-spittle#

And there has always been an equivalent in past expansions. You cannot take conjured water in.