The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dracullus]

I've been seeing a lot of TWW ads, more than I think I've seen for any of the more recent expansions, so it wouldnt' surprise me if there's some promotion there.

Yeah, it's not BfA level, but definitely more than for SL and DF. Maybe suits think they can go cheap on marketing if expansion is launching in hot Christmas season? Worked for SL, but not so much with DF.

[Joshuaj]

So obvious how its literally kicking back to the end of Legion in so so many ways. right where he left off too.

The last thing he worked on was the BFA cinematic though...

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So you're going to ignore all the stuff Metzen worked on up until Legion? Stuff that matters in TWW and next expansions? Don't be odd.

No one is ignoring that stuff, but the War Within also delves into things that were explored the last couple of expacs.

[Eldryth]

I think using delves to get the legendary could be cool. Especially if Season 2s is in Dalaran’s ruins.

I just hope that they stop making the questline to acquire the patch’s legendary RNG, like Dragonwrath’s questline.

That reminds me, I wonder if the legendary companion trinket made it into the final release. I could see that being a good reward for getting each season's Delve companion to their max level, and even if it wasn't in beta, that seems like the kind of thing that would be hidden until someone gets it after launch.

As for legendary weapons, I think it would be best if they went back to Dragonwrath's style of questline but with personal loot drops. It shouldn't revolve around RNG, and funneling quest drops to one player doesn't really fit the current game too well. Just throw in a tough solo challenge at the end if they want to keep it prestigious.

[Nibelheimy]

The last thing he worked on was the BFA cinematic though...

Yeah, strangely the new expansion is returning right back to where the story of legion ended. Right before the series of "bad lore expansions" kicked off.

The last thing he worked on was indeed the BFA cinematic. The expansion had a complete tonal and directional change after that cinematic and Metzens departure. I.E. From "For the horde" to "The horde is nothing". The stark comparison between the cinematic and expansion has been discussed over the years quite a bit.

Despite enjoying BFA, it was the start of the slippery slope of bad storytelling that ended with a powerpoint presentation of Blizzard actually admitting some sort of fault.

People are clamouring for Remix: Legion. Not Remix: BFA, or god forbid anything further.

It's not a coincidence we're dialling back some expansions here.

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and if there is anything that anyone should be happy about Metzen being back for is for jumping back in and saying, hey, that cool character everybody loves from Legion, the knife, let's not kill her immediately. Whatever they originally had planned has been extended into a saga and not skimmed over.

[Lady Atia]

Yeah, casters should feel same pain as Hunters, Evokers (whoops, guess they'll feel it second time) and strength users. In current WoW, where balance is on another level compared to early times, RNG legendary is a curse to your class.

Idk, I literally only played my warrior and evoker this expansion for the legendary, and it was also the main reason I mained dk in wotlk (and the push for me to start raiding in ICC), a rogue as alt in cata, my priest for herald of the titans (although I couldn't use my valanyr there haha), and the Sylvanas bow was also the reason I switched back to hunter in Sanctum of Domination.

Legendaries are the best part of WoW, and I'm glad they are back to releasing meaningful, cool looking weapons, hopefully twice again per expansion.

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I could see 11.1 news. It has happened before where we’ve gotten .1 news before launch.

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I think using delves to get the legendary could be cool. Especially if Season 2s is in Dalaran’s ruins.

I just hope that they stop making the questline to acquire the patch’s legendary RNG, like Dragonwrath’s questline.

Oh, delves for sure will be included in the questlines this time. Dragonflight also had you do the open world events.

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That reminds me, I wonder if the legendary companion trinket made it into the final release. I could see that being a good reward for getting each season's Delve companion to their max level, and even if it wasn't in beta, that seems like the kind of thing that would be hidden until someone gets it after launch.

As for legendary weapons, I think it would be best if they went back to Dragonwrath's style of questline but with personal loot drops. It shouldn't revolve around RNG, and funneling quest drops to one player doesn't really fit the current game too well. Just throw in a tough solo challenge at the end if they want to keep it prestigious.

People are already crying if they don't get a loot drop on a piss easy endboss, imagine if they actually can do the quest but never finish it because it's locked behind a "tough solo challenge at the end to keep it prestigious" xD

And please, no weird boring welfire legendary trinkets or rings or necks anymore .... legendaries should be unique weapons that you can transmog down the line even if the expansion is over.

[Luck4]

Yeah, strangely the new expansion is returning right back to where the story of legion ended. Right before the series of "bad lore expansions" kicked off.

The last thing he worked on was indeed the BFA cinematic. The expansion had a complete tonal and directional change after that cinematic and Metzens departure. I.E. From "For the horde" to "The horde is nothing". The stark comparison between the cinematic and expansion has been discussed over the years quite a bit.

Despite enjoying BFA, it was the start of the slippery slope of bad storytelling that ended with a powerpoint presentation of Blizzard actually admitting some sort of fault.

People are clamouring for Remix: Legion. Not Remix: BFA, or god forbid anything further.

It's not a coincidence we're dialling back some expansions here.

That's exactly how I felt after getting a better perspective of the lore from this expansion. BFA lore was bad, Shadowlands was beyond terrible, and Dragonflight was as bad as BFA, thank god Metzen is back!

Xal'athat arc can be compared to the Zovaal(Jailer) arc, and it's already better.

While I still don't like the setting of an underground expansion, and I'm still upset we're probably never getting a World Revamp, at least the story is salvaging this game.

[Doffen]

The lore is that you use pheromones as a lot of Nerubians only detect living beings through smell.

There's a guard system like Suramar.

A pheromone!
What are you hiding??

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

So, is everyone ready for the release in a few days? Any final preparations or anything in DF you want to finish first?

How will you guys level? Will you only do the main storyline quests and then finish off with side quests if needed, or will you clear out all quests in the entire zone before moving on to the next?
When I played on beta I cleared out all quests in the first zone and ended up being level 75 when I got to the Ringing Deeps.

[Lady Atia]

So, is everyone ready for the release in a few days? Any final preparations or anything in DF you want to finish first?

How will you guys level? Will you only do the main storyline quests and then finish off with side quests if needed, or will you clear out all quests in the entire zone before moving on to the next?
When I played on beta I cleared out all quests in the first zone and ended up being level 75 when I got to the Ringing Deeps.

I'll just play through the campaign first as you have to do that anyways and after that finish with dungeons I guess. Than a good nap before starting with my first 2 alts haha. My gf is also coming over aswell keeping me awake and preparing some snacks and sandwiches for the night

[Dracullus]

So, is everyone ready for the release in a few days? Any final preparations or anything in DF you want to finish first?

How will you guys level? Will you only do the main storyline quests and then finish off with side quests if needed, or will you clear out all quests in the entire zone before moving on to the next?
When I played on beta I cleared out all quests in the first zone and ended up being level 75 when I got to the Ringing Deeps.

I just clear all quests before I even turn on adventure mode. In DF I hit lvl 70 in second zone. So no point for me turning war mode or care about farming anything during leveling.

For alts I simply wait for TBC timewalking, especially with XP bonus. I wish Chromie Time was present for last 10 levels - and they would give option to repeat any quests you did in the past.

[Darkarath]

So, is everyone ready for the release in a few days? Any final preparations or anything in DF you want to finish first?

How will you guys level? Will you only do the main storyline quests and then finish off with side quests if needed, or will you clear out all quests in the entire zone before moving on to the next?
When I played on beta I cleared out all quests in the first zone and ended up being level 75 when I got to the Ringing Deeps.

As always, I will calmly enjoy the zones, exploring them, doing and reading every single quest that I find. I am particularly excited about trying Delves and particularly worried about how Hero Talents will feel. At least I think that they will be interesting while leveling while we get use to them.

Regarding DF, I will like to finish some achievements, and also to get all the pristine versions of Draenor's artifacts (4 remaining), but sometimes it gets exasperating.

I would like to play some alts but sadly Warbands are not quite good enough to "allow me" to shift the focus from my main. Hopefully they will keep improving them and really make everything truly account-wide as it should be.

[Sondrelk]

So, is everyone ready for the release in a few days? Any final preparations or anything in DF you want to finish first?

How will you guys level? Will you only do the main storyline quests and then finish off with side quests if needed, or will you clear out all quests in the entire zone before moving on to the next?
When I played on beta I cleared out all quests in the first zone and ended up being level 75 when I got to the Ringing Deeps.

I imagine I will level the way I usually do. Taking my time to read all the quests and take in the ambience, even as I struggle to stay awake from having started the expansion the second it launches at midnight.

[Makabreska]

I imagine I will level the way I usually do. Taking my time to read all the quests and take in the ambience, even as I struggle to stay awake from having started the expansion the second it launches at midnight.

I always do every q I can find on my first play-through (plus dungeons for their quests), but don't really have the patience to read q logs. Early Access + weekend may be the first time I will instantly lvl an alt.

[Sondrelk]

I always do every q I can find on my first play-through (plus dungeons for their quests), but don't really have the patience to read q logs. Early Access + weekend may be the first time I will instantly lvl an alt.

Will definitely be interesting to see how busy the levelling zones will be during early access. I imagined lots of players would go for it, but I suppose most people are more patient and don't care as much for cosmetics.
I am very curious how the early access launch will look like compared to the regular one though. I always love the feel of when everyone starts cramming into wherever the intro quest will start, making mount conga lines or impromptu transmog competitions. Hopefully early access still had that feel.

I always try to read quest texts the first time I do the questlines. Trying to just speed ahead just burns me out quicker when I don't fully appreciate the story the writers are trying to tell.

[Makabreska]

Will definitely be interesting to see how busy the levelling zones will be during early access. I imagined lots of players would go for it, but I suppose most people are more patient and don't care as much for cosmetics.

Not much busy, considering that sharding has made each launch so much better in terms of crowds.

[FossilFree]

Not much busy, considering that sharding has made each launch so much better in terms of crowds.

Too bad sharding is the exact problem the game has had all of DF, with people bypassing the shard limit by making raids for all the world events. This causes so much server CPU lag that the whole game runs choppy no matter your specs. Low pop servers help, but you shouldn't have to transfer just to play the game. Luckily, warbands help with being a multi-server player.

[Dracullus]

Well, no matter how many technical issues sharding may cause, it still beats 200 people running around trying to mark 10 trees to chop.

[Eldryth]

How will you guys level? Will you only do the main storyline quests and then finish off with side quests if needed, or will you clear out all quests in the entire zone before moving on to the next?
When I played on beta I cleared out all quests in the first zone and ended up being level 75 when I got to the Ringing Deeps.

I'll probably focus on the main campaign and whatever other quests are needed to unlock Earthen, then do extra stuff as needed to level up.

With the Warband changes there won't be any big reason to do any particular side quest on more than one character (since the big rep rewards are once per Warband and iirc the next patch will unlock all transmog from completed quests), so I'll do the other side quests while leveling alts.

[Santandame]

The last thing he worked on was the BFA cinematic though...

The opening cinematic for BfA literally launched whilst Legion was still current. It would have been in development during Legion’s development time.

[Auxis]

Just realized something: when Dalaran falls, we might be at risk of losing the Forge of the Guardian and - as a result - Alodi. Wouldn't surprise me if it was an ulterior motive of Xal's attack on Dalaran was to snag the Forge, given it's capabilities.

It would be a shame for it to go out without a bang considering it's technically an important part of Guardian lore (it's what the Council used to empower Guardian's).