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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    I hope they're not trying to make Xal'atath sympathetic
    You see she’s ACTUALLY trying to turn Azeroth into a void Titan because she believes it is the only way to stop the TRUE evil in the universe because a cosmos divided can’t survive what’s coming!!!
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    Uh Demon Hunters literally had an ability called Spellbreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldryth View Post
    I know all this talk is meant for Vanilla Classic seasons, but I'd be really interested in MoP or Legion Classic if the stuff you earn carried over to live servers. I'd love another chance to earn all of the time-limited stuff that I missed out on like the Mage Tower weapons, Challenge Mode sets, and AotC mounts (by actually doing the content in its original form, of course).
    Eventually, if they continue expansion era classic, it would have to go to retail. The expansions have so far been shorter than they were originally, especially Catalcysm. If they continue to have an expansion last based on how popular that expansion was, classic will be in Shadowlands by the end of 2027
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    No way are they gonna send the SoD chars to retail, that's something they would tell us beforehand like with remix since everything classic so far was it's own thing an people would be pissed if they only told them at the end of the season "actually, you can transfer all these classic goodies over to retail now, too bad if you missed out haha".
    Which wouldn't be an issue if the subsequent season also has all those obtainable items. I don't see why they would remove any of the level up raid content for subsequent classic seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Eventually, if they continue expansion era classic, it would have to go to retail. The expansions have so far been shorter than they were originally, especially Catalcysm. If they continue to have an expansion last based on how popular that expansion was, classic will be in Shadowlands by the end of 2027
    Which wouldn't be an issue if the subsequent season also has all those obtainable items. I don't see why they would remove any of the level up raid content for subsequent classic seasons.
    Tbh, I would love someone in an interview ask them the question why so far, they are so adamant against linking classic and retail while also destroying any kind of "easy prestige" via promotions, trading post or other things like the ZG crafting. "Some things you just had to do while it's current/hard" would literally the definition of playing classic. I'm wondering if it's one of these last bits of "old devs told us that stuff can never come back" or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    I hope they're not trying to make Xal'atath sympathetic
    Yeah, Marias comment was quite questionable.

    People want to be "buddies" with her because she is charismatic, campy, seductive and most of all pretty.
    But its her malice and sadism that ties it all together.

    They do not need to, nor should they make her sympathetic.
    It'd just take away from the character.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raetary View Post
    Yeah, Marias comment was quite questionable.

    People want to be "buddies" with her because she is charismatic, campy, seductive and most of all pretty.
    But its her malice and sadism that ties it all together.

    They do not need to, nor should they make her sympathetic.
    It'd just take away from the character.
    I remember in a previous interview, someone mentioned that Xal'atath was the villain, and Maria said "Is she though?" It rubbed me the wrong way then.

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    They just tryna pull a Shadowbringers. But they've made Xal way too evil for that.

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    I haven't watched the video yet, but while Xal'atath shouldn't actually be sympathetic, a good manipulative villain should be good at convincing others that they are. If she's going to put on a facade to trick us into advancing her goals, great- so long as it's ultimately a lie. Iirc they said at some point (probably at Blizzcon) that her plans revolved around using Azeroth's heroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldryth View Post
    I haven't watched the video yet, but while Xal'atath shouldn't actually be sympathetic, a good manipulative villain should be good at convincing others that they are. If she's going to put on a facade to trick us into advancing her goals, great- so long as it's ultimately a lie. Iirc they said at some point (probably at Blizzcon) that her plans revolved around using Azeroth's heroes.
    Exactly, she's very likely going to twist the narrative where we help her at some point, knowingly or not - people hated sylvanas because her 4d chess wasn't because she was smart, it was because everyone else was dumb, I hope they've learned from that and really work on making Xal'atath a compelling villain - they're doing fine so far, but the momentum has to continue

    Oh and we absolutely cannot kill her this expansion, no matter how much QQ they get online for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldryth View Post
    I haven't watched the video yet, but while Xal'atath shouldn't actually be sympathetic, a good manipulative villain should be good at convincing others that they are. If she's going to put on a facade to trick us into advancing her goals, great- so long as it's ultimately a lie. Iirc they said at some point (probably at Blizzcon) that her plans revolved around using Azeroth's heroes.
    From what I got from the interview it seemed like they acknowledged Xal is pretty unique for a villain since players in Legion have a history with her and they're going to play with that.

    I can understand people getting a little alarmed from her "no villain is the villain of their own story" remark. You could argue that's also true for Iridikron. Yet he's most certainly not sympathetic at all. So I guess it just remains to be seen how they will handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    I remember in a previous interview, someone mentioned that Xal'atath was the villain, and Maria said "Is she though?" It rubbed me the wrong way then.
    Yea, my big fear with Xal is them approaching her the same way writers for House of the Dragon S2 approached the online reception to Rhaenyra and Alicent in S1. Positive reception for the entirity of the scene following Aemond's eye loss was mistaken by the writers as enthusiasm for Rhaenyra and Alicent sharing screentime, and the stretch to include more scenes with them in S2 has quickly become something detested by fans.

    In so many words, I hope Blizzard doesn't see the enthusiasm behind Xal'atath and over correct the course to keep her longer, diluting the potential of the story she takes. We're hardly a full expac cycle away from two big bads pulling the 4D chess move. Please not again

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    When u making a new Thread? The War with 11.x patches speculation thread? or this for all world soul saga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I believe Classic seasons will be cumulative, with all features being included in subsequent seasons. For example Onyxia & Molten Core has (almost) all the Season of Mastery changes. It sounded like our characters will migrate to retail when the season is over, but that's just items.
    Oh, I meant the dungeon in particular, as a levelling dungeon for Retail. And I guess the unique loot, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    I hope they're not trying to make Xal'atath sympathetic
    Do they even have to try? People thought the Forsworn were a "noble and justified rebellion" because they bought the propaganda wholesale, while ignoring that the Forsworn were forcibly infecting Kyrian with Doubt to convert them. They thought that giving up your memories was forced upon the Kyrian, when every step of the way was voluntary - there's hints that you could abort your training at any point and go back to Oribos, to get assigned to another Covenant, or to your religion's afterlife.
    Devos was right that signs of Domination magic in the mortal world were worrying, but Kyrestia accurately warned her not to investigate this. Maybe she should've added "we (the Eternal Ones) are aware of this, and it will be addressed, but not by you" but ultimately, Devos already was on the path that would lead to her playing into the Jailer's hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    Yeah Dalaran is gone but it will be back. Re-introducing it in TLT as the first hub with housing while we reconstruct it could make sense. It will be nice to have it back where it first appeared in WoW.
    Let it be gone, it no longer servers a purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Let it be gone, it no longer servers a purpose.
    While I agree, I think that many people still love it and will be sad if it does not come back. It could be back not only as a vehicle for housing, but for Class Order Halls too. What if they mix Draenor's Garrison and Class Order Halls with housing? Let us build our own city. Dalaran for Mages, Stratholme for Paladins, ICC for DK's and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Let it be gone, it no longer servers a purpose.
    Weird take. Guess we have to nuke Shattrath, the pandaria shrines, Boralus and Zuldazar, and soon Thaldrazus.

    "no longer serves a purpose" is such a stupid statement for a place in a world.
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    I mean, trying to worm out of the way it's the WORLDSOUL saga... yah. It's Azeroth reaching out, not some light fairy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    Weird take. Guess we have to nuke Shattrath, the pandaria shrines, Boralus and Zuldazar, and soon Thaldrazus.

    "no longer serves a purpose" is such a stupid statement for a place in a world.
    Considering that it is utteraly nuked as a fact, that the Dalarani are moving on (remember, Dalaran was created as a haven for human mages centuries ago and then the anti-Legion center with the Guardian of Tirisfal, both reasons fully gone), it clearly no longer serves a purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    Weird take. Guess we have to nuke Shattrath, the pandaria shrines, Boralus and Zuldazar, and soon Thaldrazus.

    "no longer serves a purpose" is such a stupid statement for a place in a world.
    This take doesn't make sense either. Dalaran goes away and it's ok if it doesn't come back. Why is the response, "well let's get rid of the other cities too then."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    This take doesn't make sense either. Dalaran goes away and it's ok if it doesn't come back. Why is the response, "well let's get rid of the other cities too then."?
    Simply put, the idea of "served its role/story, now kill/destroy it" is such a bad thing. That dalaran happens to be destroyed, on a basic level is fine. But the reasoning in that comment is bad. It's like saying, Genn served his role now that Sylvanas is no longer evil kill him. Finn Fairwind served his role, kill him. Talanji server her role, kill her. The blackrock served its story, destroy it. And this doesn't make sense. Genn can retire, Finn can be a background character, the blackrock can remain peaceful. There is no good reason to destroy everything just because "the story is over". A story can be over, doesn't mean the character/place of the story needs to be destroyed. Instead of thinking "burn it", how about thinking "where in the world can it be parked and what will happen in the future with it". Example, if Dalaran wouldn't be destroyed, it could still have a story to be told, landing back in the crater, reestablishing the magic kingdom, interaction between dalaran, gilneas and lordaeron. Simply destroying thing for no reason except the shock factor is bad writing. The red night of Games of Thrones only works because it is an exception, not the rule. The death of Aertih in FF7 is iconic, because death to a party member is not the norm. It is bad writing to destroy/kill everything just because "the story is over".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Considering that it is utteraly nuked as a fact, that the Dalarani are moving on (remember, Dalaran was created as a haven for human mages centuries ago and then the anti-Legion center with the Guardian of Tirisfal, both reasons fully gone), it clearly no longer serves a purpose.
    it was a comment to the mindset of "no longer serves a purpose", not the actual story that happens.
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    If we somehow do get a void Hunter class, I’ll be the first one to post in this thread to admit my error.
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    I mean, trying to worm out of the way it's the WORLDSOUL saga... yah. It's Azeroth reaching out, not some light fairy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    Simply put, the idea of "served its role/story, now kill/destroy it" is such a bad thing.
    I read it as "it is no longer required, it can be destroyed", not "is is no longer required, therefore it must be destroyed". No one mentioned this applying to other things but you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Considering that it is utteraly nuked as a fact, that the Dalarani are moving on (remember, Dalaran was created as a haven for human mages centuries ago and then the anti-Legion center with the Guardian of Tirisfal, both reasons fully gone), it clearly no longer serves a purpose.
    Yea but I always felt that its role in WoW was as a neutral grounds for Horde and Alliance when facing a major threat that required cooperation during tensions. WotLK and Legion both show that along with the attempt to use it in TWW (before said nuking). I truly imagine it'll return in Midnight.

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