The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Au contraire, if anything their experience with it makes them more qualified to deliver an authentic experience.

Lol, no .

[Murlocos]

Yeah, the whiplash is the core issue and dives back into the timeless Blizzard problem of bouncing between extremes. Contrast the old Horde doing heinous and evil deeds, then having a lengthy story decades later of reforming with new leadership and purpose and still struggling with those sins. The orc heritage questline is fantastic, but in the back of my mind I just think about how the new Horde also just committed evil and heinous deeds and effectively just got away with it and have totally absolved themselves of it a heartbeat later. The dissonance of that whiplash strips away the believability of the setting. Yes, addressing it would take a lot of effort, it'd feel played out and repetitive, but the writers set up this problem for themselves in the first place.

That said, I agree with Lorgar on this. I don't consider the writing or the writers sacrosanct enough that such specifically controversial content needs to stay in for the sake of their vision (or realistically knowing how the development pipeline actually works, one quest designer threw this together for a daily quest and it's not like Ion and Danuser decreed this from their thrones). There are better ways of going about it. And yeah, I've seen people complain that killing Amber is problematic or misogynistic, and I think that's entering the realm of absurdity.

[Super Dickmann]

So what's on the bingo card for edit:tomorrow* blue news?

Formal apology, the responsible dev ritually eviscerating himself with an Alexstrasza funko pop in front of Blizzard HQ.

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That said, I agree with Lorgar on this. I don't consider the writing or the writers sacrosanct enough that such specifically controversial content needs to stay in for the sake of their vision (or realistically knowing how the development pipeline actually works, one quest designer threw this together for a daily quest and it's not like Ion and Danuser decreed this from their thrones). There are better ways of going about it. And yeah, I've seen people complain that killing Amber is problematic or misogynistic, and I think that's entering the realm of absurdity.

The writers' vision in general I don't give a shit about, my stance on this is entirely context-specific. I have zero issue with say, the vision for the Sadfang questline being destroyed, it was funny. I appreciate the quest as such and on a broader level think that whatever rationalization is cooked up for why this in particular needs to go, them caving on it will have a negative knock-on effect on their ability to refer to darker subject matter in any way going further and further encourage their worst saccharine trends. When you cave on a side quest with 0 graphic content which doesn't even refer to the deed at large this won't lead to you pondering wiser, more nuanced implementation (Not that any is needed, as the quest is fine in that regard) it will lead you to avoiding anything like it like the plague and playing it safe, especially where your bigger story is concerned.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Formal apology, the responsible dev ritually eviscerating himself with an Alexstrasza funko pop in front of Blizzard HQ.

Dev making this quest is probably dealing with a shitton of stress right now.

I bet if i would open twitter right now of certain people, there will be furiously and toxically typed tweets about firing the dev.


I think they should make alternative version of this quest locked behind trader tenders 1000 bundle.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Dev making this quest is probably dealing with a shitton of stress right now.

I bet if i would open twitter right now of certain people, there will be furiously and toxically typed tweets about firing the dev.


I think they should make alternative version of this quest blahhh idea here.

Don't give them ideas

[micwini]

So what's on the bingo card for edit:tomorrow* blue news?

10.1.5 release date announcement PRayge

[Berkilak]

Dev making this quest is probably dealing with a shitton of stress right now.

I bet if i would open twitter right now of certain people, there will be furiously and toxically typed tweets about firing the dev.


I think they should make alternative version of this quest locked behind trader tenders 1000 bundle.

Odds are, they’re completely unaware and wouldn’t care even if they knew about an impotent Twitter rage fest.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

So there was new interview with Morgan day and about megadungeon he said

"One of the things being done differently with Dawn of the Infinites is intentionally releasing it at a higher difficulty level, requiring coordination similar to raids, in response to requests for challenging content and meaningful rewards for smaller group sizes. There's no hard mode, it's just baked in, but it's also why they're keen on getting the split Heroic versions out faster in Patch 10.1.7 instead of waiting for Season 3."

Seems like new megadungeon might be very hard when they officially release it on live servers.

[Gielnik2]

I don't know if this has been posted before but I just watched a Bellular video that fits the current Alexstrasza quest controversy well. WoW is just too afraid to not be disney-level friendly nowadays and I fear this incident will only amplify that.

[Lady Atia]

So there was new interview with Morgan day and about megadungeon he said

"One of the things being done differently with Dawn of the Infinites is intentionally releasing it at a higher difficulty level, requiring coordination similar to raids, in response to requests for challenging content and meaningful rewards for smaller group sizes. There's no hard mode, it's just baked in, but it's also why they're keen on getting the split Heroic versions out faster in Patch 10.1.7 instead of waiting for Season 3."

Seems like new megadungeon might be very hard when they officially release it on live servers.

I hope so, because Tazavesh was a joke when they released it. Also no one run the megadungeons without hardmode anyways, so this is a great change.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't know if this has been posted before but I just watched a Bellular video that fits the current Alexstrasza quest controversy well. WoW is just too afraid to not be disney-level friendly nowadays and I fear this incident will only amplify that.

I really don't think thats the case here, cause we just came off of very rough stuff a few years ago. And also.... this weird disney esque complaint just reeks of ignorance of WoW. There's plenty of dark stuff going on through the game recently.


Edit: Not directed at you Gielnik.

[Skildar]

I don't know if this has been posted before but I just watched a Bellular video that fits the current Alexstrasza quest controversy well. WoW is just too afraid to not be disney-level friendly nowadays and I fear this incident will only amplify that.

I'm not really receptive to sharing youtube videos like these showcasing people exterior to the dev team or with no knowledge that isn't already there, etc. It just feels like dressed up advertisement :/

[micwini]

Lost Codex interview

"By the end of the Dawn of the Infinite, the Murozond story is finished, for now. However, there will be more quests following the dungeon. And this doesn't mean the end of the Infinite Dragonflight."

Seems they are keeping Murozond as a future villain and probably won't be a major focus in the remainder of this expansion.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Don't play it then. Development is not up to you. It's just a fucking quest and seeing people totally freaked out about it makes me laugh. Go outside, take a deep breath and touch the grass.

Sure I won't play it, and neither will you because there's no way this is making it to live.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Oh yes, it will. And you're going to spend whole days using all your energy to shitstorm on Twitter I imagine. What a life...

You're being awfully aggressive in this. Chill

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Oh yes, it will. And you're going to spend whole days using all your energy to shitstorm on Twitter I imagine. What a life...

There's no timeline were blizzard is gonna take the bad press on this. If it was an untested questline sure it would be up for a week or two before being disabled but given the noise around it already it's as good as gone as it should be.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

it's as good as gone as it should be.

In a normal world it wouldn't be cut, but people that have the line between a fiction and reality so blured, of course have to be butthurt about it.

If someone is actually hurt by a short, side questline in a video game, then that person has bigger problems and should really seek help before playing games or watching any other media of entertaiment, honestly.

your character is not You, NPC is not a real human.

I hardly ever agree with asmongold but his new video pretty much sums up everything.


Edit: but enough on that topic from me, now im just waiting for next PTR patch to see the source of gorehowl drop/quest.

[RahEndymion]

In a normal world it wouldn't be cut, but people that have the line between a fiction and reality so blured, of course have to be butthurt about it.

If someone is actually hurt by a short, side questline in a video game, then that person has bigger problems and should really seek help before playing games or watching any other media of entertaiment, honestly.

your character is not You, NPC is not a real human.

I hardly ever agree with asmongold but his new video pretty much sums up everything.


Edit: but enough on that topic from me, now im just waiting for next PTR patch to see the source of gorehowl drop/quest.

Unfortunately, websites like this and twitter, also reddit but to a lesser degree, suffer from the fact that they aren't actually representative of the vast majority of a population. A very specific, or if we're being fair, a few very specific types of WoW player use this forum and they're pretty much the same groups that use twitter for WoW too. You have your obnoxiously soft and your obnoxiously edgy with a sprinkling of us rational folk in the middle. Neither of the two extremes are actually representative of the vast majority of WoW players, they're just extremists who feel like the world needs to know about their grievances 24/7.

The people here acting as though your character is forcing Alexstraza into a struggle cuddle on screen are just as bad, sometimes worse, than the people who act like your character is taking part in LGBT orgies on screen. Neither are correct, both are absurd.

We can kill gods, genocide knife ears and unionists/bandits, enslave sentient demons, raise people from the dead against their will, set up a raid and murder every NPC in any faction capital.. but you want to be outraged because a character goes back in time and doesn't explicitly stop a key event, albeit a not pleasant one, from happening and thus saves the timeline and potentially prevents a lot of other terrible stuff from happening?

This is quite literally the definition of privilege. Oh to live a life where these are the things that outrage you.

[Revamp Man]

I so agree with you. You can't open a history book and say "ok I don't like this part about genocides, it should be censored". It's a fucking fictional video game, it's normal that in World of WARcraft we deal with serious subjects. If you want children's stories this game just isn't for you. Dragonflight is already silly enough to still censor an interesting passage because minority wokist extremists are yelling on Twitter. Please Blizzard, don't bow down to them. Don't forget the silent majority.

You compared real life to a game

A better comparison is IT'S orgy scene which 100% was unnecessary

[LemonDemonGirl]

Damn they really making us help the orcs enslave and rape Alex, and this is post lawsuit I can’t imagine what the quest would have been of it never came to light.


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Jesus, Blizzard. Can we kill Chromie now? Shit like this makes me think she's a sadist or something.

It is a fantasy game. Why is it OK for Diablo to be dark AF, but it is a problem when wow sometimes does it nowadays, eventhough they've always done it?

Diablo is M Rated, WoW is Rated T.