The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ro9ue]

Doubt 11.2 will have to do with anything on the surface as it would be super disappointing. This is like THE best chance to see what actually is in Azeroth core, I fully expect TWW finale to happen there. Also, a little early for Light vs Void.

Yeah the light/void is almost guaranteed to continue into Midnight just off what we know. Sunwell and ... midnight. But I think Beledar will need to be resolved in TWW and I doubt this expansion will end without a more direct conflict with Xal. So when I'm saying Light/void, I don't mean it's resolved, I just mean thematically that's what I'm expecting it to be.

To me the deeper into the world part will be undermine, harronir elune tree roots and some sort of Titan defense force (like those big robots in Dorn for the skyriding WQ and the world boss).

[Nymrohd]

Could be we dislodge the Beledar during TWW and it then becomes part of the Midnight plot.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Could be we dislodge the Beledar during TWW and it then becomes part of the Midnight plot.

Given that it teleported the Arhai there it could very well just teleport it self away, Mabye plop into the sunwell?

[Nymrohd]

Given that it teleported the Arhai there it could very well just teleport it self away, Mabye plop into the sunwell?

Could be part of the plot
Heck maybe Xal hijacks it, turns it into void and drops it into the Sunwell and that starts Midnight.
Maybe it just sits there in the sky and blocks out the sun itself in its void phase.

[Raetary]

Mabye plop into the sunwell?

We defeat the Void and cut it off from Azeroth forever by using the Beledar as a drain plug.

[micwini]

Beledar imploding into void black hole. Mereldar obliterated including the entire expedition and all Arathi characters. Lets up some stakes.

[Nymrohd]

Beledar imploding into void black hole. Mereldar obliterated including the entire expedition and all Arathi characters. Lets up some stakes.

Would love. Who knows maybe it happens. Maybe just Faerin survives cause she is with us.

[micwini]

Would love. Who knows maybe it happens. Maybe just Faerin survives cause she is with us.

none may survive. Could also lead to the Empire blaming us somehow and being antagonists. Unlike the more probable boring 'you these guys helped us, accept them!'.

[huth]

Given that it teleported the Arhai there it could very well just teleport it self away, Mabye plop into the sunwell?

That thing may very well be larger than Quel'danas. I don't think "plop in" is the right term for that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That thing may very well be larger than Quel'danas. I don't think "plop in" is the right term for that.

The sunwell seems pretty huge lore wise, the complex it is in might be as big as it.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

People on this forum only have 2 modes.

tbh the difference is kind of illusory. My posts lately have been pretty low-effort and seethy and haven't contributed much more than making page count increase faster.

[OCoyne]

It's amazing how much people have managed to overrate Iridikron just because of how awful the Jailer was before him. Truly, Zovaal's influence resonates even now.

99% of Shadowlands lore is retconned anyhow. It wasn't just because of the Jailer either.

It was the terrible writing with Sylvanas, promoting an Arthas return, the Dreadlords actually serving death rather than the Burning Legion, missing storylines in Revendreth regarding Lorthraxion, missing storylines regarding Nathanos supposedly turning up otherwise what the fuck was the point in him willingly die in the pre-patch, COVID, Bobby Kotick, FF14 overtaking WoW as the biggest MMO for a short period when the boom happened until DF release.

That's actually a huge list to why people should consider SL lore retconned. The only 3 which people should factor in which is still in the current timeline is Sylvanas is banished to the maw, the Dreadlords have a leader who's still alive and The Jailers attempts to manipulate the Forge of Orginination

[huth]

99% of Shadowlands lore is retconned anyhow. It wasn't just because of the Jailer either.

None of it has been retconned so far. Something not being mentioned is not a retcon, it's just information that isn't currently relevant. A retcon would require that new information contradicts established fact retroactively.


And your list is rather tiny and mostly just wishful thinking.

[micwini]

None of it has been retconned so far. Something not being mentioned is not a retcon, it's just information that isn't currently relevant. A retcon would require that new information contradicts established fact retroactively.


And your list is rather tiny and mostly just wishful thinking.

Maybe, but I can see it going the way of WoD. Barely mentioned, almost fully omitted, unless they need a tie in to bring Denathrius back or something.

[Dracullus]

None of it has been retconned so far. Something not being mentioned is not a retcon, it's just information that isn't currently relevant. A retcon would require that new information contradicts established fact retroactively.


And your list is rather tiny and mostly just wishful thinking.

I feel we repeat this discussion many times. There are no hard and big retcons in WoW period. They even bend backwards to fit nonsensical TBC story into Legion when Illidan returned.

What we have a lot of are - often low quality - recontextualizations. But I can't see how it could be avoided in a story that has no end and is passed from person to person for 20 years.

Of course we can have small unintentional retcon here and there, mostly because lore is so vast it's very easy to make mistake.

[huth]

Maybe, but I can see it going the way of WoD. Barely mentioned, almost fully omitted, unless they need a tie in to bring Denathrius back or something.

You tell Geya'rah that she isn't actually in Dornogal, then.

Of course Alt!Draenor is no longer a meaningful factor. It's now completely disconnected from us and neither side can affect the other anymore.

For that matter, when was the last time somebody mentioned the Twilight Highlands? Winterspring? Feralas? This is normal. Something having relevance again is the exception.

I feel we repeat this discussion many times. There are no hard and big retcons in WoW period.

Remember when Eredar and Draenei were unrelated species? I do.

[Dracullus]

Remember when Eredar and Draenei were unrelated species? I do.

I was speaking about WoW, not Warcraft in general.

[huth]

I was speaking about WoW, not Warcraft in general.

Yeah, and in Vanilla they were still seperate.

[Dracullus]

Yeah, and in Vanilla they were still seperate.

Vanilla had lore?

To be serious, you may be right, although it would be helpful if you link quest about Eredars pre-TBC.

[Ersula]

Remember when Eredar and Draenei were unrelated species? I do.

I think you're thinking of the wrong factoid. The retcon was that the Eredar corrupted Sargeras, rather than the other way around. In warcraft 3 what we now know as broken draenei say the Eredar caused their decline, but that's not necessarily mean they weren't part of the same race. But at that point we enter a nebulous lore territory, because two separate teams were writing Warcraft 3 and Vanilla WoW. I don't think the Draenei were even mentioned in Vanilla WoW, just like the history of the world in Warcraft 3 never mentions the Dragonflights.

It's funny that people think Metzen is going to make Warcraft less-cosmic, when he's the one who came up with the all the stuff about space-travel & sentient rocks.

Would love. Who knows maybe it happens. Maybe just Faerin survives cause she is with us.

Big Talia Fordragon Energy. The first rule of WoW writing is just because a character takes up hours of gameplay doesn't mean she's ever going to do anything important.