The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

So they did make SL raids/dungeons and before all soloable; the notable issue was Kel'Thuzad and the solution there was to spawn an unkillable Arfus to tank KT in the phylactery phase (ofc at least for me, whatever change they made also made the Remnant invisible and untargetable meaning you need to kill it with proximity or ground targeted AoE). Still, found it funny

[Nymrohd]

Calm before the storm in this thread right now.

Predictions for this Tuesday and the next?

Hopefully something more than a small island on one of the gaps in the world map.

[Raetary]

Calm before the storm in this thread right now.

Predictions for this Tuesday and the next?

Other than hopefully another memory vault quest, i don't think we'll get much out of the next 2 weeks.

[Darkarath]

Calm before the storm in this thread right now.

Predictions for this Tuesday and the next?

I hope that they surprise us with the Warcraft Direct.

I guess that they will show 11.1 and probably a teaser of 11.2, similar to what they did when they announced Legion patches. Hearthstone, Classic, SoD stuff... I do not care about. Mildly interested in Warcraft Reforged 2.0.

My personal and unlikely to become a reality soon hopes are the following:

- That they finally bring WoW to consoles, which I still think that will happen sooner or later, maybe in a new version of the game, so we will have under one subscription Retail, Classic, SoD and so on.

- That they make a new ''serious'' game in the Warcraft universe. By serious I mean that it is not another mobile game. I think that this will happen before 2030, but it is probably too soon to announce anything related to it.

- I also think that sooner or later we will get a Warcraft animated series, but again, it is probably too soon to announce something about it.

The main thing for me is a new game, a new solid Warcraft experience. While I think that TWW is a really good expansion, and that we will get at least as much content until Midnight as we got for DF, the only thing I care about is the story of the game, and I do not really need to play the game to follow it. But I am always happy to see WoW doing good and to see how the game evolves, although they need to relax with the Game Store, it is quite disgusting how they are going after our money constantly.

[Nymrohd]

I do still hope that they eventually try and deliver the Warcraft 3 Reforged we were originally promised.

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Warcraft 3: Reforged-ed

[Nymrohd]

Warcraft 3: Reforged-ed

I still think it's the lowest point of modern Blizzard so I just hope they fix it.

[HansOlo]

Either the final boss, or he goes free as the capstone of it. He goes out into the universe all like "Hey, gonna go get my Burning Legion back together. Then we'll see what's what."

He might even be the 'Last Titan', with the rest of the Pantheon going down over the course of TLT (they're likely still Argus/Aggramar-tier since the end of Legion, so they aren't colossal invincible planet-sized god-beings anymore).

I predict that Azeroth will awaken, but choose to remain the Worldsoul in order to preserve the world, and so act as a kind of cosmic immune system repelling major forces like the Pantheon, the Void, etc. from trying to claim her, so the cosmic stuff takes more of a backseat, and we get back to basics focusing on issues closer to home (Arathi Empire looking to take over, etc.)

Give us a scene, where we see Sargeras towers over Illidans dead body. And the heads of the other titans are just laying around. Introduce the edgelord back!

Please!!

[Joshuaj]

Oh boy, 11.1! I can't wai-

ZZZZzzzZzzz

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Hopefully it's better than the last couple .1 patches.

[Khaza-R]

I do still hope that they eventually try and deliver the Warcraft 3 Reforged we were originally promised.

WarCraft 3 : Re-Monetized*

Jokes aside I am hoping the WC3RF 2.0 rumors are true. It would make sense for Microsoft to fix this mess before moving on to remaking WC2. Also lets be real the game was clearly meant to have skins and other purchasable items. And I am not even mad if that's something they explore again

I am just curious what it would look like assuming it would have to be more than just QoL updates. Campaign additions? New story? Visual updates?

[Raetary]

Campaign additions? New story? Visual updates?

It would be pretty cool if they started doing expansions, letting us play through stories that otherwise wouldn't be (fully) represented within wow.
A campaign set during the Pandaren Revolution, or the Zandalari Troll wars would be neat.

Or a thorough playthrough of the WotA.

They could even do one that's not set on Azeroth, it'd be pretty cool to experience the fall of Argus and the Draeneis exodus.

[Darkarath]

I sort of agree. Been playing WoW and Hearthstone since they released, and the gameplay is starting to lose me a bit.

WoW has been hugely important to me, but it wasn't my first Warcraft addiction. I played W2 and W3 for many years before it was released. So WoW doesn't have to be the only Warcraft game in my view.

Would love a modern RPG of some type, or even an Overwatch-like game with Night Elves and stuff.

Would be amazing. Just rebrand it as Warcraft, enhance the graphics, and build every Warcraft RTS into it as different campaigns. On top of that, create a new campaign set between TWW and Midnight, with the Void as the main enemy.

Yeah, I love WoW but I have been playing it for 18 years. I mean, it is insane that it has (and still does, in a way) keep me entertained for so long.

ANY new experience in the Warcraft universe would be amazing, barring another mobile game. Obviously they will not make another Diablo or another Overwatch with the Warcraft franchise. Singleplayer games, sadly, will not be created by Blizzard, so what options we have left?

I would LOVE an action RPG with a new engine. Basically give me a WoW version of Genshin Impact with some adjustments under the same WoW subscription. With the amount of cool characters that WoW has, and with a focus in questing and exploration, who would not want to play that? But I doubt that Blizzard has a big enough team to develop such a game and WoW at the same time.

Regarding Warcraft Reforged, my dream would be that they use it to remake the absolutely canon campaigns of Warcraft, Warcraft 2, Warcraft 3 and WoW. I would be especially interested in a canon version of the 20 years of WoW in various campaigns. Highly unlikely, though.

[huth]

It would be pretty cool if they started doing expansions, letting us play through stories that otherwise wouldn't be (fully) represented within wow.
A campaign set during the Pandaren Revolution, or the Zandalari Troll wars would be neat.

Or a thorough playthrough of the WotA.

They could even do one that's not set on Azeroth, it'd be pretty cool to experience the fall of Argus and the Draeneis exodus.

Could also have some campaigns covering what happened while we were busy elsewhere.

[Joshuaj]

Either the final boss, or he goes free as the capstone of it. He goes out into the universe all like "Hey, gonna go get my Burning Legion back together. Then we'll see what's what."

He might even be the 'Last Titan', with the rest of the Pantheon going down over the course of TLT (they're likely still Argus/Aggramar-tier since the end of Legion, so they aren't colossal invincible planet-sized god-beings anymore).

I predict that Azeroth will awaken, but choose to remain the Worldsoul in order to preserve the world, and so act as a kind of cosmic immune system repelling major forces like the Pantheon, the Void, etc. from trying to claim her, so the cosmic stuff takes more of a backseat, and we get back to basics focusing on issues closer to home (Arathi Empire looking to take over, etc.)

Here's an idea:

Sargeras as the final boss of 13.1.

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Think of it:

13.0 final boss: Helya or Chromatus.

13.1 final boss: Sargeras (we fight him either at Ulduar or at a titan arena in the domain of Order, but it's an instance, not a full on zone).

13.2 final boss: Iridikron

[Eldryth]

It would be pretty cool if they started doing expansions, letting us play through stories that otherwise wouldn't be (fully) represented within wow.
A campaign set during the Pandaren Revolution, or the Zandalari Troll wars would be neat.

Or a thorough playthrough of the WotA.

They could even do one that's not set on Azeroth, it'd be pretty cool to experience the fall of Argus and the Draeneis exodus.

Could also have some campaigns covering what happened while we were busy elsewhere.

As controversial as the alternate universe is, I always thought it could be cool to see an RTS showing how exactly alternate Draenor got from WoD's ending to the Mag'har unlock scenario (and possibly beyond). I can't imagine us ever seeing that within WoW itself (even if the Lightbound come back I'm sure it'll just pick up sometime after the scenario), and a war between Orcs, Draenei, and possibly Ogres as a third faction seems like a great setup for an RTS.

[Golden Yak]

Here's an idea:

Sargeras as the final boss of 13.1.

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Think of it:

13.0 final boss: Helya or Chromatus.

13.1 final boss: Sargeras (we fight him either at Ulduar or at a titan arena in the domain of Order, but it's an instance, not a full on zone).

13.2 final boss: Iridikron

If I were a gamblin' Yak... I'd think it would be more likely to face Iridikron first, as he makes his move to take out the Pantheon, and then Sargeras is unleashed afterwards, either because the Pantheon is gone and can't contain him any longer, or he's turned loose by the Pantheon as some kind of counter-attack.

Also if Sargeras is going to be a boss he's gotta be the capstone guy, Iridikron is cool but no way he could carry off being the final big bad of not only a Titan Pantheon-centric expansion but also the whole Worldsoul saga. If the Titans and the Worldsoul story elements are getting wrapped up, Sargeras has gotta be there for the end.

[Khaza-R]

If I were a gamblin' Yak... I'd think it would be more likely to face Iridikron first, as he makes his move to take out the Pantheon, and then Sargeras is unleashed afterwards, either because the Pantheon is gone and can't contain him any longer, or he's turned loose by the Pantheon as some kind of counter-attack.

Also if Sargeras is going to be a boss he's gotta be the capstone guy, Iridikron is cool but no way he could carry off being the final big bad of not only a Titan Pantheon-centric expansion but also the whole Worldsoul saga. If the Titans and the Worldsoul story elements are getting wrapped up, Sargeras has gotta be there for the end.

Personally I don't think we will even fight Sargeras.

Titans will have contained him somehow. They all get reckd by some new void god. Illidan becomes the avatar of Sargeras but helps us destroy this void creature.

[Joshuaj]

If I were a gamblin' Yak... I'd think it would be more likely to face Iridikron first, as he makes his move to take out the Pantheon, and then Sargeras is unleashed afterwards, either because the Pantheon is gone and can't contain him any longer, or he's turned loose by the Pantheon as some kind of counter-attack.

Also if Sargeras is going to be a boss he's gotta be the capstone guy, Iridikron is cool but no way he could carry off being the final big bad of not only a Titan Pantheon-centric expansion but also the whole Worldsoul saga. If the Titans and the Worldsoul story elements are getting wrapped up, Sargeras has gotta be there for the end.

Ngl, I'd kinda prefer them to have Iridikron as the final boss, simply due to the fact that they're building him up HEAVILY. Would be waste to kill him off early in TLT. Heck, we don't even know if he's gonna die in said expac. They might keep him for the arc after as well.

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Personally I don't think we will even fight Sargeras.

Titans will have contained him somehow. They all get destroyed by some new void god. Illidan becomes the avatar of Sargeras but helps us destroy this void creature.

Considering we're gonna "banish the forces of Shadow" by the end of Midnight, I'd be shocked if the Void had a major part to play in TLT at all.

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Still awaiting my Order Vs Disorder Saga Blizzard! Let anarchy engulf Ulduar, have us explore more of the Nether, come on!!! Revamp Outland! Pop off!

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Man, I waited so long for this moment. Lemme fight Sargeras that fucker deserves a beating

[Khaza-R]

Considering we're gonna "banish the forces of Shadow" by the end of Midnight, I'd be shocked if the Void had a major part to play in TLT at all.

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Still awaiting my Order Vs Disorder Saga Blizzard! Let anarchy engulf Ulduar, have us explore more of the Nether, come on!!! Revamp Outland! Pop off!

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Man, I waited so long for this moment. Lemme fight Sargeras that fucker deserves a beating

Fair point. But somehow said void creature still has to come to Azeroth, try to consume its worldsoul, summon the titans and kill them. According to Iridikron's plan at least. Just seems like a lot to unfold from now until the end of Midnight.

[Golden Yak]

Ngl, I'd kinda prefer them to have Iridikron as the final boss, simply due to the fact that they're building him up HEAVILY. Would be waste to kill him off early in TLT. Heck, we don't even know if he's gonna die in said expac. They might keep him for the arc after as well.

I like Iridikron too, I definitely think he's got a huge role to play and I'd be happy to see him survive to become a future villain, but there are elements coming to a climax that have been here since WC1. I just can't see anyone other than Sargeras being the final baddie. I could almost even see Iridikron joining our side, if it comes to light that the Titans are hell-bent on Re-Origination and ending the world as we know it.

Fair point. But somehow said void creature still has to come to Azeroth, try to consume its worldsoul, summon the titans and kill them. According to Iridikron's plan at least. Just seems like a lot to unfold from now until the end of Midnight.

My theory is that in TWW, Xal'atath will de-Order the Worldsoul, undoing all the work the Titans have done on it so far. That's what Iridikron meant by 'prying the world from the Titans grasp' and sets up Midnight, where the Void tries to invade now that the Worldsoul is 'up for grabs'. However Midnight plays out will lead into TLT, where the Pantheon shows up to take the Worldsoul back, and Iridikron will make his move.