The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Hasn't he only ever leaked stuff in the week or two leading up to an announcement? The implication seemed to be that his source was third party, so it's only ever gonna be stuff related to promotional materials sent out right before public announcement.

So when we get a Light V Void expansion he'll be Voidface?

[ChairmanKaga]

Blizzard is probably saving them for a single patch in a bad expansion, as they did with...Azshara.

While Nzoth was used up Azshara is obviously a future opponent still.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

This is more within the purview of our discussions than the expression makes it seem, but no other way of articulating it was nearly as fun. It's a kind of speculation, but moreso a wish I wanted to express as something I think would be extremely cool. This ought to be pertinent to the thread, since this still concerns our primary topic:

Official Memorandum: Avaloren

The flesh and soul of humanity is inherently subject to imperfection. The base of man's form emerged as a product of Order, which makes more difficult absolute suffusion with the Light. More pertinent, our flesh is a product of Yogg-Saron, an agent of the hated Void.

How may this be resolved?

Our source indicates the existence of an absolute failsafe in Old Avalon, contained beneath Uld—— in the territory of the Order-State. Xe'ra has promised that the Order-State there will be receptive to us: we are of the same scarlet fire.

The absolute failsafe will emancipate the souls of all titanforged life on Azeroth, including those afflicted with the Curse of Flesh. We will be prepared, rid of the taint of the Void on our bodies and souls.

The above document was procured by the inquisition from a radical Xe'raite pseudognostic that has since been expunged. Memorize this document, then incinerate following thorough perusal. Bless you, Regent-and-Exarch; the Final Titan is your charge.

[Santandame]

"The interview states that Murozond’s story within Dragonflight is finished after the conclusion of the mega dungeon. Himself and the Infinites may show up in future content, but right now, within Dragonflight and Warcraft, their story is on ice.

Him being the final boss of DF is irrelevant. Murozond and the Infinites will not be showing up in the rest of the expansion, period. We don’t know when himself and the Infinites will show up again in future expansions, if at all. All we know is that going forward, that storyline is resolved."

Dude, I literally said this also. You're literally agreeing with me here lol.

You literally didn’t though.

[Santandame]

I said the Infinites, with or without Murozond will occur regardless, it's just that their plot is seemingly done in Dragonflight. Did I not say that?

You said nothing implied he isn’t happening.

The devs have outright confirmed that he isn’t happening. We do not know when he will come up again. The line from the dev implies that it won’t be for a while, otherwise they wouldn’t make a point of stating that as far as they’re concerned, the Murozond story is resolved.

That is why it’s not unfortunate. Because a compelling dragon villain would best be served showing up in the dragon focused expansion, of which he was heavily foreshadowed as showing up in. Instead his story has been resolved as if now, in a pretty underwhelming way and it’s clear from dev statements that he won’t be a force of contention again for a while.

[huth]

You said nothing implied he isn’t happening.

But that's true. The statement of the devs is only about DF. He isn't happening now. He may still happen later.

[Luck4]

While Nzoth was used up Azshara is obviously a future opponent still.

Yeah, but not as the main antagonist, she was already used that way. If she shows up again, she'll be following someone's else plan and will be a sidekick (mid-raid boss/dg boss/campaign boss) in the great scheme of things.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Yeah, but not as the main antagonist, she was already used that way. If she shows up again, she'll be following someone's else plan and will be a sidekick (mid-raid boss/dg boss/campaign boss) in the great scheme of things.

I expect the opposite, going off all the foreshadowing about her personal objectives and her now being free of her previous employers.

[ChairmanKaga]

Yeah, but not as the main antagonist, she was already used that way. If she shows up again, she'll be following someone's else plan and will be a sidekick (mid-raid boss/dg boss/campaign boss) in the great scheme of things.

Weird speculation but ok?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

What's the chance for some theories to happen, that Infinite somehow become 6th dragonflight aspect at the end of DF?

Seems like latest chromie quests make us look a little differently at Infinite, since they're kinda trying to "save" people.

I remember some early datamined items that were pointing at 6th dragonflight and had infinite armor colors.

Edit: On second thought, it probably doesn't make much sense for infinite, but probably some new group to show up as 6th.

[Jaggler]

Yeah, but not as the main antagonist, she was already used that way. If she shows up again, she'll be following someone's else plan and will be a sidekick (mid-raid boss/dg boss/campaign boss) in the great scheme of things.

Nah, she WAS the sidekick of N'zoth at her first outing, now she's basically free to do whatever she wants to do.

[Santandame]

What's the chance for some theories to happen, that Infinite somehow become 6th dragonflight aspect at the end of DF?

Seems like latest chromie quests make us look a little differently at Infinite, since they're kinda trying to "save" people.

I remember some early datamined items that were pointing at 6th dragonflight and had infinite armor colors.

Edit: On second thought, it probably doesn't make much sense for infinite, but probably some new group to show up as 6th.

Won’t happen. It has been confirmed that the Infinites storyline is finished after the mega dungeon. We do not know when they’ll appear again. Going off the dev interview it’s likely we won’t see them again for quite some time. They are going back in the box of characters and villains to possibly be used again in the future but not anytime soon. Much like Sargeras and N’Zoth. Villains who’s story is currently resolved but may be used again in the distant future if the need arises.

Besides, they wouldn’t become the sixth flight anyway. Their entire modus operandi is that they are directly opposed to the Bronze flight because of the horror of the latters charge. Not that this has been portrayed well in Dragonflight, mind. They’ve been portrayed as more power hungry, moustache twirling dickheads. As opposed to villains who take no pleasure in what they do, and see the horror in it but believe they have no other choice - similar to Thanos. They cannot coexist with the Bronze flight.

A theoretical White dragonflight would be more likely than the Infinites joining the Aspects. Though, if we are getting another flight joining the Aspects, then Vyranoth leading a primal/elemental flight alongside the current flights is the most likely outcome.

[Alanar]

Nah, she WAS the sidekick of N'zoth at her first outing, now she's basically free to do whatever she wants to do.

She talked about going after the true prize or throne. Exactly she is her own boss and I see her return on her own terms easily.

[username993720]

Killing innocent woman man an children is fucked up. I understand the thought process but i don’t want to take part in killing a bunch of innocent people

I just saw a new Chromie quest line Where we are making sure Varian Valeera and Broll Continue to be slaves and fight to the death for the enjoyment of others? what is this the 1600 Slavery is done and over why are we stilling allowing things like this to go on an happen? seriously someone explain how this disgusting Slavery and forcing people to kill each other for our enjoyment made it into the PTR

Jesus christ.... what has this game turned into...
Please tell me this is a troll.

[Darkarath]

Well, it seems that 10.1.5 will be the end of the Infinite Dragonflight story in DF. I hope that at least Murozond is created for future plots.

But this fact leaves us with more questions about 10.3. Where the hell are we going after 10.2? I refuse to believe that 10.2 is the last patch of DF. No chance IMO.

[Raetary]

Well, it seems that 10.1.5 will be the end of the Infinite Dragonflight story in DF. I hope that at least Murozond is created for future plots.

But this fact leaves us with more questions about 10.3. Where the hell are we going after 10.2? I refuse to believe that 10.2 is the last patch of DF. No chance IMO.

Avaloren.

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[Santandame]

Well, it seems that 10.1.5 will be the end of the Infinite Dragonflight story in DF. I hope that at least Murozond is created for future plots.

But this fact leaves us with more questions about 10.3. Where the hell are we going after 10.2? I refuse to believe that 10.2 is the last patch of DF. No chance IMO.

My guess is a raid set beneath Tyrhold, truly exploring Uldorus.

The patch will have a heavy Red Dragonflight focus in which we face off against titan constructs such as Odyn, Tyr, Archaedas etc. it’ll wrap up the Tyr storyline nicely and explain the “betrayal” of Tyr that Alextrasza will allegedly play a hand in.

Possibly an Alex and Vyranoth team up as the story in the upcoming model is that they were previously very close friends.

Wraps up the DF storyline nicely with every Flight getting an associated patch and storyline, as well as touching on the titans opposing the Dragonflights. We could also get our first glimpse at the heretics that make their home on Avaloren, which I imagine will be a new race. I could also see Chromatus thrown in here as a boss.

10.0 - Primalists with a heavy focus on the Blue Flight as Kalec leads us in the raid alongside Khadgar. The Blue Flight were also guarding Raszagath’s prison on the Forbidden Reach and the Vault of the Incarnates raid was originally supposed to take place in the Azure Span and be the climax of that zones storyline.

10.1 - Heavy focus on the Black Flight with the new raid and zone revolving around their storyline, as well as the Blue Flight getting a quest chain to wrap up loose ends.

10.1.5 - Bronze Flight mega dungeon as well as Bronze dailies, world events and quest chains.

10.2 - The Primalists invade the Dream. It’s most likely to be Vyranoth leading this invasion though it could be either Fyrakk or Iridikron. Will obviously be a huge Green Flight focus.

10.3 - Red Flight vs. Titans. Likely to take place in Uldorus. Finally get focus on the Red Flight as well the conclusion to the Tyr/Odyn/Alex storyline of which seeds have been planted lately.

All Flights get a highlight and 10.3 focusing on those story threads would well and truly set up future Avaloren plot points.

[Berkilak]

I'm still anticipating the creation of a new flight, if not a "reoriginating" of one or more existing flights into a new one. A metallic dragonflight, specifically. Likely silver.

[Santandame]

I'm still anticipating the creation of a new flight, if not a "reoriginating" of one or more existing flights into a new one. A metallic dragonflight, specifically. Likely silver.

Which flight do you see reforming?

The most likely flight I see joining, if we were to get one, would be the elemental/primal dragons that could end up defecting to our side with Vyranoth leading them.

I suppose the various elemental dragons together could constitute a metallic flight?

[Shadowferal]

I think the color scheme needs more of a blend. Orange, purple, gray, brown...demand to be represented!