The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

God imagine the page count when we get to The Last Titan

At some point, the forum will struggle severely with this thread. Not sure it is a good idea to keep it going for that long.

[Xilurm]

14:00

Bit info about how they're going to handle feedback when it comes to story. If people say they don't understand character motives they will make sure to go more in depth for content releases that come after. But when it comes to huge story key points they are pretty much set in stone for the entire saga.

[Nymrohd]

I was hoping that all the follower dungeons would function like the Rookery using custom NPCs that match the story. Sadly only the first dungeon gets that treatment. And in so many of them you do get the NPCs that WOULD make sense to talk while you are in the dungeon.

Especially when we get additional scenarios crafted for Ringing depths that both could have been replaced by a follower dungeon run with the right NPCs. You could have just had a Stonevault Run with Moira, Magni, Dagran and Brinthe to finish the zone. And one with the kobolds for Darkflame Cleft.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

14:00

Bit info about how they're going to handle feedback when it comes to story. If people say they don't understand character motives they will make sure to go more in depth for content releases that come after. But when it comes to huge story key points they are pretty much set in stone for the entire saga.

Yo, is Nobbel a 6'3" giga-Chad???

[huth]

I think the roots that the Harronir work with are growing out of an Old God who bonded to Life and mellowed out to not be an evil jerk over the past (Insert BS long period of time exceeding 150,000 years) who instead works and lives alongside the Harronir/Dark Trolls that help and protect it. Big part of -why- they're so secretive is they know the Titans (And thus the Earthen) want to exterminate or imprison the last Old God who has been in hiding.

So you completely forgot about Elun'ahir? It's pretty obvious what the roots are. It also explains neatly why they're secretive given Aman'thul's reaction to it.

[Steampunkette]

So you completely forgot about Elun'ahir? It's pretty obvious what the roots are. It also explains neatly why they're secretive given Aman'thul's reaction to it.

I'm aware they're the roots of the first world tree. I'm saying that's how the Life got into the Old God.

Possibly as a joint attempt by Eonnar and Elune to deal with the Old God threat before Aman'thul yanked the tree out in panic over what happened with Y'shaarj.

"YOU CAN'T DO THAT! I almost killed Azeroth by killing Y'shaarj, the tree will kill her just as much when it spikes this one!"

That those two planted the world tree to try and kill this Old God and it turned him into a Void-Life entity that's not evil and is actively hiding.

Or maybe they did it to try and redeem him? Or maybe he turned against the other old gods or something? We do have the Lore that one got torn apart by the others and it could be this one. Maybe they didn't kill him and the tree saved him and made him good? Unclear, just the general vibe I'm getting from the situation.

[Pyrophax]

"rootlands isnt real"

Not only that place. At least 2 places in Ringing Deep has invisible walls with roots and lights comes from them. Azj'Kahet have 2?
Another one is place where Fog Monsters go, same place.
Rootlands 100% new patch zone. But I hope we will see Kezan too, and not like megadungeon.

[huth]

I'm aware they're the roots of the first world tree. I'm saying that's how the Life got into the Old God.

Possibly as a joint attempt by Eonnar and Elune to deal with the Old God threat before Aman'thul yanked the tree out in panic over what happened with Y'shaarj.

That makes zero sense. To our current knowledge, the 5th was already dead before the Titans arrived. The others are accounted for. So you just invented a new 6th Old God and a different story for Elun'ahir that does not match the one we have.

[Steampunkette]

That makes zero sense. To our current knowledge, the 5th was already dead before the Titans arrived. The others are accounted for. So you just invented a new 6th Old God and a different story for Elun'ahir that does not match the one we have.

Key phrase, there:

"To our current knowledge"

Also the 6th Old God was G'huun.

Anyway. Yeah. I think the Fifth Old God is in the Rootlands which, as a zone, is probably gonna be called "Elun'ahir" or something similar. I think the Tree was either planted on him while he was alive or maybe into the remnants of him after he got torn apart by the other ones, but the specifics aren't the important thing. The important thing is that it carries on the "Two Forces Entity" theme we've been seeing for a long time and which has been written about and highlighted more recently.

Calia Menethil the Light-Undead, Lothraxion the Light-Demon, Yogg-Saron the Old God of Death, Eonnar the Titan of Life, Golganneth of Sea and Storms, Khazgoroth the Forger of Worlds. The Priory is full of Light-Created Undead because Light+Death=Undead just as surely as Void+Death does. Which Margrave Sindane explained in Shadowlands.

Even Sargeras the Fel-Titan. Order that embraced Chaos like a Naaru falling to the Void.

[Khaza-R]

Anyone know if the echoes event ends when TWW formally launches or is that 11 EST?

[Sondrelk]

Also the 6th Old God was G'huun.

We already know what G'huun is. It says so right in his encounter descrption.

"When the Titans experimented upon the Old Gods' need to corrupt they unexpectedly created G'huun."

[Ersula]

It would be pretty wild if Beledar had no connection to the Naaru. Both the speculation that it's a Naaru Ship or a Naaru shard of light have the most basis in the lore, both hailing from the Naaru or Holy cosmic force.

[Nymrohd]

It would be pretty wild if Beledar had no connection to the Naaru. Both the speculation that it's a Naaru Ship or a Naaru shard of light have the most basis in the lore, both hailing from the Naaru or Holy cosmic force.

I think it'd be nice if the Light was more than just the Naaru. Most of the other forces have some variety after all.

[Steampunkette]

We already know what G'huun is. It says so right in his encounter descrption.

"When the Titans experimented upon the Old Gods' need to corrupt they unexpectedly created G'huun."

Yeah. They unexpectedly created a sixth Old God. It's been confirmed at this point that he is the newest (and weakest) of the Old Gods.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

We already know what G'huun is. It says so right in his encounter descrption.

"When the Titans experimented upon the Old Gods' need to corrupt they unexpectedly created G'huun."

The point here is that we have new lore as of 2024. Volume 4 of the 'World of Warcraft Chronicle' says that, at the time of the Black Empire, there were 5 Old Gods. G'huun would not have been created at this time.

So, effectively, a total of 6.

Also... it's noted that the titans still imprisoned a total of 4. So, the mysterious 5th Old God was either killed or somehow disappeared. Or just went elsewhere in Azeroth... who knows?

[Ersula]

Yeah. They unexpectedly created a sixth Old God. It's been confirmed at this point that he is the newest (and weakest) of the Old Gods.

I don't think it's ever stated Ghuun is an Old God, besides a few Blood Trolls, its lack of worship makes it neither old nor a god. The closest the wow characters some to designating Ghuun is he was "like an old god."

I think between this & new information in the war within we're going to get some explaination that its the black blood itself that makes an old god. Ghuun was a leech infused with the Black Blood of the Old Gods as an experiment. Before they "tore her to pieces" her blood was taken from her and that Xalatath wants to infuse herself with that blood, making her an old god once again.

[Nymrohd]

The point here is that we have new lore as of 2024. Volume 4 of the 'World of Warcraft Chronicle' says that, at the time of the Black Empire, there were 5 Old Gods. G'huun would not have been created at this time.

So, effectively, a total of 6.

Also... it's noted that the titans still imprisoned a total of 4. So, the mysterious 5th Old God was either killed or somehow disappeared. Or just went elsewhere in Azeroth... who knows?

We would know that they wouldn't be on Kalimdor. We are given a map of Old God territories. Either they are dead and their territory taken by other Old Gods (perhaps what N'zoth and Y'shaarj were fighting over at the Broken Isles was that Old God and/or their territory) or they could have landed outside Kalimdor (e.g. in Avaloren)

[Steampunkette]

I don't think it's ever stated Ghuun is an Old God, besides a few Blood Trolls, its lack of worship makes it neither old nor a god. The closest the wow characters some to designating Ghuun is he was "like an old god."

I think between this & new information in the war within we're going to get some explaination that its the black blood itself that makes an old god. Ghuun was a leech infused with the Black Blood of the Old Gods as an experiment. Before they "tore her to pieces" her blood was taken from her and that Xalatath wants to infuse herself with that blood, making her an old god once again.

During the Outro of the Raid Fight with MOTHER in Uldiir Brann literally refers to G'huun as an Old God. Explicitly. "Why would the Titans keep an Old God alive?"

Mother's response is to answer his question, rather than correct him that G'huun isn't an old god or is some Black Blood infused animal.

Also I don't think Black Blood "makes" Old Gods unless every one of the "Ascended" Nerubians and Kobyss are also Old Gods, now.

And we know Xalatath is not an Old God thanks to a conversation in Mereldar between Alleria and Steelstrike.

We would know that they wouldn't be on Kalimdor. We are given a map of Old God territories. Either they are dead and their territory taken by other Old Gods (perhaps what N'zoth and Y'shaarj were fighting over at the Broken Isles was that Old God and/or their territory) or they could have landed outside Kalimdor (e.g. in Avaloren)

It's possible that the 5th Old God was torn apart like some of the Lore says. And the other Old Gods ate up his territory. It'd also fit that a badly wounded and greatly weakened Old God getting infused with Life would become something 'New'. (Or at least be an Old God of Life)

[Nymrohd]

Btw the Dawnbreaker may be the messiest dungeon I've ever done.

[Cheezits]

With how well-received TWW launch is, I hope that the strict theming of Undermine doesn't mess up reception.

It could be a very varied zone though. Maybe an emphasis on the Undersea?