The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

They are not supposed to. We know if Faerin or Steelstrike asked the Alliance and Horde about this they could get them there tomorrow. No way Jaina and Occuleth could not open a portal to Avaloren if given the task. But while worldbuilding in this expansion is great, so far it feels like information goes one way only. There is so much we could tell the Arathi or the Earthen and completely change their perspective on things.

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If Beledar shifts because of a Naaru, it means that the Naaru inside was hurt because that is how they function when they get hurt. The player character has seen it happen dozens of times by now. And it creates an urgency to get in there because if it dies, the crystal will go full Void. I am sure if we brought Velen here he'd be able to give us so much exposition

The Mage does say that learning to create a portal to somewhere you have never been is extremely difficult, and very dangerous. He knows how to make portals, he just doesn't know how to make a portal back to Avaloren, which is why he focuses on his theory of using the memory of living things.

Also, his research was all destroyed, so there are probably a bunch of complicated formulas that would need to be made from scratch.


It would create more urgency, certainly. But the Arathi are still locked in combat with the Nerubians, and I imagine they would do all in their power to go to the Beledar if it wasn't for that.

Once we get to 11.0.5 I imagine Anduin will tell the Arathi about his theories on the Beledar, which will give them renewed energy.

[Nymrohd]

It would create more urgency, certainly. But the Arathi are still locked in combat with the Nerubians, and I imagine they would do all in their power to go to the Beledar if it wasn't for that.

Once we get to 11.0.5 I imagine Anduin will tell the Arathi about his theories on the Beledar, which will give them renewed energy.

Possible. It is just partitioning the story so it works with the patch system. But they did have a long while down there before the Day of Darkness from what I understand. Most of the settlements were built before that.

On the portal thing it is always so inconsistent in Warcraft; like most anything in Warcraft it only works as the narrative requires. At one point you have teleportation arrays just being dropped in completely hostile territory with constant fel interference or you have Occuleth create stable portals for mass transportation. Heck we open stable portals to another plane of existence that allow for regular foot traffic.

[Sondrelk]

Possible. It is just partitioning the story so it works with the patch system. But they did have a long while down there before the Day of Darkness from what I understand. Most of the settlements were built before that.

All the time in the world doesn't help if they are unable to get past the void monstrosities barring the way.
The fact that there is a giant flying leviathan literally called "The Guardian" tells me that it isn't as simple as just flying to the Beledar.

Of course, now they have the Dawnbreaker. And given it hasn't been destroyed, i imagine it will be integral in actually getting us past the Sunless Sea.

[BaumanKing]

Like when they first arrive, Alleria doesn't talk to Turalyon (she does talk to him later) and instead talks to Jaina and Thrall. And I get why she talks to Thrall (cause Horde players need to feel involved in what would otherwise be an Alliance gone neutral plot) but why Jaina and not Turalyon?

Yeah, I thought she would talk to her old brothers in arms first, but Jaina of all people? Especially since they're not exactly on good terms after the novel Shadows Rising.

Why even bother bringing Danath and Kurdran into the story if not to use them properly? I was hoping that Kurdran would at least interact with the stormriders, but there's not much there. Blizzard could have just as easily used someone else from the Alliance, like Genn or Muradin. It wouldn't make any difference.

My only explanation is that the Sons of Lothar don't actually believe Khadgar is dead, which is why there has been no reaction from them yet.

[Sondrelk]

Minor aside. But I somehow always find it amusing that after the big deal in BfA about the Zandalari having ships that would help the Horde, that we never see any of them.
Whenever we see Alliance ships they are almost always Kul Tiran. But when we see Horde ships, they are always the Classic Horde ships with the giant spikes.

Dumb thing to notice I know, but I find it amusing.

[Enrif]

Minor aside. But I somehow always find it amusing that after the big deal in BfA about the Zandalari having ships that would help the Horde, that we never see any of them.
Whenever we see Alliance ships they are almost always Kul Tiran. But when we see Horde ships, they are always the Classic Horde ships with the giant spikes.

Dumb thing to notice I know, but I find it amusing.

a lot of the zandalari fleet was destroyed during the battle for dazar'alor

[Sondrelk]

a lot of the zandalari fleet was destroyed during the battle for dazar'alor

I know. I just think it speaks to the narartive quality of BfA when the whole thing with the Zandalari navy being so strong was sweeped under the rug. It so strongly tells a story of how Blizzard really wanted the Zandalari to be equals to the Kul Tiran despite their vastly different cultures.

[Enrif]

I know. I just think it speaks to the narartive quality of BfA when the whole thing with the Zandalari navy being so strong was sweeped under the rug. It so strongly tells a story of how Blizzard really wanted the Zandalari to be equals to the Kul Tiran despite their vastly different cultures.

They were equal, at the start of BfA, but during the questing, the alliance sabotages a big part of the zandalari fleet which was destroyed during the battle for dazar'alor. Meanwhile, the kul tirans got their missing fleet back, bolstering their armada. If it was a 50%/50% at the start of BfA, during the later part it had become a 20%/80%. Zandalar does not have the fleet to be really representative anymore.

[Valysar]

All this timegating thing always kills the release hype.

[OCoyne]

This saves Ka'resh for the Midnight expansion.

Ka'resh doesn't exist. It was destroyed a very long time ago. Midnight is centred around the Sunwell, more than likely Dimensius the All Devouring popping out the Sunwell just like Kil'Jaedan did.

[Steampunkette]

Ka'resh doesn't exist. It was destroyed a very long time ago. Midnight is centred around the Sunwell, more than likely Dimensius the All Devouring popping out the Sunwell just like Kil'Jaedan did.

Kinda my thought on the Sunwell, yeah.

My prediction is we'll go to Silvermoon to unite the elven tribes while Xalatath tries to corrupt the Sunwell for Dimensius. We'll slow her down and then pull a Legion/Argus/Outland to go to the floating ruins of Ka'resh where we'll find out Dimensius is the World Soul of Ka'resh who got void-empowered and hatched as a Void Lord instead of a Titan to reinforce the threat that Azeroth faces.

That the Radiant Song is a final warning before the Void Levels get too high on a planet and the world soul gets turned Voidy.

Final fight at the Sunwell.

Yes. I know that kinda contradicts the lore we've got (in that Dimensius 'Came to Ka'resh' rather than got hatched from it) but it's less of a retcon than some of the stuff the Devs have provided and feels like it's a small enough narrative difference they can handwave it that the Ethereals couldn't really tell the difference between him coming across the void or bursting out of the planet.

[huth]

Possible. It is just partitioning the story so it works with the patch system. But they did have a long while down there before the Day of Darkness from what I understand. Most of the settlements were built before that.

On the portal thing it is always so inconsistent in Warcraft; like most anything in Warcraft it only works as the narrative requires. At one point you have teleportation arrays just being dropped in completely hostile territory with constant fel interference or you have Occuleth create stable portals for mass transportation. Heck we open stable portals to another plane of existence that allow for regular foot traffic.

Those tend to be much shorter range, though. The arrays also have physical beacons while Occuleth is a millenia old specialist in the field. The Hallowfall Arathi have a single apprentice available who by his own admission was never very good at it to begin with and consequently didn't focus on that area until cicumstances forced him.

I get the feeling the Empire is just very bad at portal magic, too.

Of course, the Vindicaar is causing issues here again; the Lightforged should have it trivially easy to get to Avaloren and should already be aware of its existence at this point. For that matter, the Alliance should now have a complete world map and be aware of at least all major surface factions.

[Nebron]

Ka'resh doesn't exist. It was destroyed a very long time ago. Midnight is centred around the Sunwell, more than likely Dimensius the All Devouring popping out the Sunwell just like Kil'Jaedan did.

I can totally see that - Dimensius being summoned through corrupted Sunwell - obviously doings of Xal'atath, Dark Heart and possibly Alleria being baited.

Alternatively I can see the Light vs Void wet dream being realized here - Army of the Light being summoned through purified Sunwell, possibly by Turalyon??, for the last stand against the Void and Dimensius, somehow leading from that point to The Last Titan, Illidan and Sargeras comeback

TWW - we lose to Xal'atath;
Midnight - Sunwell is corrupted, Relanish being the finale -> we fight Dimensius with the help of Ethereals and Army of the Light;
TLT - we deal with the Sword, some stuff with Azeroth being a Worldsoul; and then, with Illidan's help -> titans + Sargeras, possibly some Burning Legion background;

What's interesting to me is that characters are being developed in a way to have some insight in certain topics:
Alleria + Locus-Walker - about the Void;
Ethereals - about Dimensius;
Turalyon and Army of the Light - about the Light itself;
Illidan - about the Titans;

[Al Gorefiend]

Not only that place. At least 2 places in Ringing Deep has invisible walls with roots and lights comes from them. Azj'Kahet have 2?
Another one is place where Fog Monsters go, same place.
Rootlands 100% new patch zone. But I hope we will see Kezan too, and not like megadungeon.

I hope we don't see Kezan.

New expac main hub, I'll wait another decade if I have to.

Patch content and we get something like a mega dungeon would break my heart

[Varodoc]

I hope we don't see Kezan.

New expac main hub, I'll wait another decade if I have to.

Patch content and we get something like a mega dungeon would break my heart

You know that Gazlowe was featured prominently in the TWW marketing, right? Even getting his own story and artwork.

You cannot possibly believe that his contribution to TWW will amount to getting kidnapped by Nerubians.

It is now all but confirmed that Kezan will feature in TWW. Naturally, as with every patch zone, it will be Neutral.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Blizzard does not consider G'hunn an old god in any way that matters.

Too bad he is still considered an Old God! And guess who decided that?

Blizzard

Yep! That's right.

You can continue to scream into the Void to argue/justify your reasoning. I'm not interested, because as I stated before, this is not an open ended topic.
You should move on.

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Why no one talks about the Arathi orphan Alyza Bowblaze, the future supreme ruler of all Azeroth and the Cosmos?

Is this sarcasm or is there something to this?

I ask because, I'm all in for the New Arathi Empire swinging their dick around Azeroth.


EDIT: I should not have made a figurative reference to "swinging dicks" in a post speaking about an orphan.

[Timester]

Is this sarcasm or is there something to this?

I ask because, I'm all in for the New Arathi Empire swinging their dick around Azeroth.

It's some sidequests with a genocidal little Arathi orphan girl. Just one of her phrases "Salt his bones, take his head, and laugh as his tribe crumbles!".

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Aggravating feminist writing where the strong man who does his job and protects everybody gets shat on in favor of the woman girlboss who deserted her post. Also, women with beards. Won't waste more words on that.

Good god, I actually was reading your entire post for whatever reason, and of course, knowing who you are as a poster, you HAD to start with this utter nonsense.

You say you won't waste more words, and here you made a fucking novel of a post with GIF's.

Time and time again you have shown how your perceptive lens towards World of Warcraft is... skewered, to say the least. It's unfortunate that in a high fantasy setting that is World of Warcraft... you take issue with female dwarves with beards, as if that's an actual fucking sticking point.

I guess even the females of fantasy races -- beings made up entirely out of rock and stone -- can't have beards, as you don't usually see IRL rock & stone female races having beards either.

[Timester]

Good god, I actually was reading your entire post for whatever reason, and of course, knowing who you are as a poster, you HAD to start with this utter nonsense.

You say you won't waste more words, and here you made a fucking novel of a post with GIF's.

Time and time again you have shown how your perceptive lens towards World of Warcraft is... skewered, to say the least. It's unfortunate that in a high fantasy setting that is World of Warcraft... you take issue with female dwarves with beards, as if that's an actual fucking sticking point.

I guess even the females of fantasy races -- beings made up entirely out of rock and stone -- can't have beards, as you don't usually see IRL rock & stone female races having beards either.

Don't feed him, it's pointless. Female dwarves with beards is the most Tolkien concept that could exist.

[milkmustache]

You know that Gazlowe was featured prominently in the TWW marketing, right? Even getting his own story and artwork.

You cannot possibly believe that his contribution to TWW will amount to getting kidnapped by Nerubians.

It is now all but confirmed that Kezan will feature in TWW. Naturally, as with every patch zone, it will be Neutral.

I think the neutral thing is pretty much a given lore wise with Goblins anyway, that's one of the more fun things about Goblin settlements in WoW.

I hope there's a larger focus on Horde races in it, though. I loved the campaign, no complaints there, but it would be cool to see some Mag'har and Earthen engineers conferencing with Goblins, Thrall and Gazlowe buddy cop adventure or something, but also maybe some Mekkatorque in there?

Warcraft is at its best worldbuilding when they manage the diversity of their playable and nonplayable races properly. Khaz Algar has done a pretty good job at that so far, so I have high hopes.