The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[OCoyne]

p -> titans + Sargeras, possibly some Burning Legion background;

What's interesting to me is that characters are being developed in a way to have some insight in certain topics:
Alleria + Locus-Walker - about the Void;
Ethereals - about Dimensius;
Turalyon and Army of the Light - about the Light itself;
Illidan - about the Titans;

I think the story is leaning towards all the cosmic forces coming into play

We've already seen Death and Chaos as The Jailer and Sargeras.

We've got Elune'Era as Life
Xala'tath as Void
Aman'Thul as the leader of the Pantheon of Order
Safe to say Azeroth will represent Light.

The 6 forces need to be equally balanced otherwise hell all breaks loose. And the Fatescribes did also mention The Jailer running out of Anima only caused a small crack in the balance.
Azeroth being the strongest titan of them all will more than likely upset the balance meaning Death and Chaos will also need to gain power aswell as Life and Order turning them villian in the process possibly - Death and Chaos are not permanently killed off for a reason. I can see a situation where The Jailer returns to restore the balance.

[Nymrohd]

This is for me the true question for TWW. Will we lose? Usually the trilogy formula has you win book 1 only to realize you failed to stop a greater evil. But you still win the fight in the first installment. It is in the second one where you actually lose with the true stakes being revealed only for the last part to be about saving the world. Moreover we know the second one is the one with actual stakes; ultimately a loss in Khaz Algar means the locals who we just meant are fucked but we'd still be able to reverse whatever happens for the world at large later on. But a loss in Midnight would mean Quel'thalas is toast. Even if we win the trilogy itself, it would be much more substantial than the nerubians dying (the Earthen can come with us, the Arathi are just transplants anyway and even the Nerubians we befriend would have a second chance in Azjol-Nerub). So it does make more sense for us to lose in TWW.

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I think the neutral thing is pretty much a given lore wise with Goblins anyway, that's one of the more fun things about Goblin settlements in WoW.

I hope there's a larger focus on Horde races in it, though. I loved the campaign, no complaints there, but it would be cool to see some Mag'har and Earthen engineers conferencing with Goblins, Thrall and Gazlowe buddy cop adventure or something, but also maybe some Mekkatorque in there?

Warcraft is at its best worldbuilding when they manage the diversity of their playable and nonplayable races properly. Khaz Algar has done a pretty good job at that so far, so I have high hopes.

Goblins are thematically closer to the Horde anyway. So a goblin-centered area will feel closer to the Horde regardless. That said, Gazlowe will be the main character for such content anyhow. They have made it clear he is neutral enough that the Alliance doesn't need a foil when he is the main character in a story otherwise we'd be seeing at least some gnome come with Jaina and the Sons of Lothar.

[Steampunkette]

I think the story is leaning towards all the cosmic forces coming into play

We've already seen Death and Chaos as The Jailer and Sargeras.

We've got Elune'Era as Life
Xala'tath as Void
Aman'Thul as the leader of the Pantheon of Order
Safe to say Azeroth will represent Light.

The 6 forces need to be equally balanced otherwise hell all breaks loose. And the Fatescribes did also mention The Jailer running out of Anima only caused a small crack in the balance.
Azeroth being the strongest titan of them all will more than likely upset the balance meaning Death and Chaos will also need to gain power aswell as Life and Order turning them villian in the process possibly - Death and Chaos are not permanently killed off for a reason. I can see a situation where The Jailer returns to restore the balance.

I don't feel like Azeroth will represent Light. We've got Naaru for that. Nor did Sargeras "Represent" chaos/fel. He was inundated with it, shaped by it, but he was still a Titan at the core of what he was. The Burning Legion and demonkind in general represent chaos which kind of lacks a strong central figure or council. Sargers was imposing Order on Chaos while he was there by forming a legion with ranks and hierarchy that normally doesn't exist.

I feel like Azeroth is going to be a balance of the 6 forces. Some chaos, some shadow, some light, some order, and plenty of life and death, too.

Or, at least, that's what we're aiming for while the individual powers all try to sway her in one direction or the other.

[PenguinChan]

all that for an allied race? please.

No, all that because the explanation is probably locked behind story that wouldn’t make sense otherwise. Is it dumb that an allied race is locked behind a time gate? Yeah but a week isn’t really long tbh. Can get your main geared up and get some upgrade currency in the meantime.

[Nebron]

This is for me the true question for TWW. Will we lose? Usually the trilogy formula has you win book 1 only to realize you failed to stop a greater evil. But you still win the fight in the first installment. It is in the second one where you actually lose with the true stakes being revealed only for the last part to be about saving the world. Moreover we know the second one is the one with actual stakes; ultimately a loss in Khaz Algar means the locals who we just meant are fucked but we'd still be able to reverse whatever happens for the world at large later on. But a loss in Midnight would mean Quel'thalas is toast. Even if we win the trilogy itself, it would be much more substantial than the nerubians dying (the Earthen can come with us, the Arathi are just transplants anyway and even the Nerubians we befriend would have a second chance in Azjol-Nerub). So it does make more sense for us to lose in TWW.

Maybe you're right, but I'd like to see us getting some real punches and heavy losses, so that in order to fight the Void off, we need to get some help from the outside, thus Army of the Light and Ethereals come to use I do strongly believe that Renilash is the storyline of the Worldsoul Saga's second installment.
To follow your trilogy formula, that would be epic, if we lost there, but then, the story from Midnight would need to drag onto The Last Titan, and I'm not sure about that due to thematic oversaturation

[PenguinChan]

It is a bit shady tho that they waited until the EA was over to clarify.

They should’ve clarified yeah. They technically did like a day in from a customer service rep but just like any other time they’ve added allied races it always comes with a catch…

[Nymrohd]

Maybe you're right, but I'd like to see us getting some real punches and heavy losses, so that in order to fight the Void off, we need to get some help from the outside, thus Army of the Light and Ethereals come to use I do strongly believe that Renilash is the storyline of the Worldsoul Saga's second installment.
To follow your trilogy formula, that would be epic, if we lost there, but then, the story from Midnight would need to drag onto The Last Titan, and I'm not sure about that due to thematic oversaturation

I think having the Empire show up in Midnight can absolutely work.
You start with an intro tier showing we cannot push the Void off alone then the Avaloren fleet arrives and we win the day on the second tier and then on the last tier we have to evict them when it is clear their intent is conquest, not just Renilash. We go to Northrend for the finale and then after the World Soul saga we can go to Avaloren to stop the Empire from invading.
It could give us an Army of Light moment.

My own fan theory; the Emperor's prophecy is not his own, it is X'era. She had contacted the Empire and guided the Emperor to send the Third Fleet to Khaz Algar. While they've been missing, Yrel's forces have escaped from Draenor into Avaloren and fully radicalized the Empire by giving them knowledge of Lightforging but also of how to make people Lightbound. It would give us a proper Army of Light moment that Legion badly botched.

[Mekkle]

They should’ve clarified yeah. They technically did like a day in from a customer service rep but just like any other time they’ve added allied races it always comes with a catch…

i just wish they were upfront about it. hate having to assume.

[huth]

This is for me the true question for TWW. Will we lose? Usually the trilogy formula has you win book 1 only to realize you failed to stop a greater evil. But you still win the fight in the first installment. It is in the second one where you actually lose with the true stakes being revealed only for the last part to be about saving the world. Moreover we know the second one is the one with actual stakes; ultimately a loss in Khaz Algar means the locals who we just meant are fucked but we'd still be able to reverse whatever happens for the world at large later on. But a loss in Midnight would mean Quel'thalas is toast. Even if we win the trilogy itself, it would be much more substantial than the nerubians dying (the Earthen can come with us, the Arathi are just transplants anyway and even the Nerubians we befriend would have a second chance in Azjol-Nerub). So it does make more sense for us to lose in TWW.

You mean Midnight, right? Otherwise you'd be contradicting yourself here.

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My own fan theory; the Emperor's prophecy is not his own, it is X'era. She had contacted the Empire and guided the Emperor to send the Third Fleet to Khaz Algar. While they've been missing, Yrel's forces have escaped from Draenor into Avaloren and fully radicalized the Empire by giving them knowledge of Lightforging but also of how to make people Lightbound. It would give us a proper Army of Light moment that Legion badly botched.

I'd prefer if Yrel and her Lightbound were not involved at all and the Empire was just like that all on its own. They already have signs of it in Hallowfall, tempered by their need to survive not allowing them to refuse help.

[Lady Atia]

So, they are literally destroying dungeon leveling again after we could enjoy it through early access? Weird, would have thought they would want to avoid "early access people have an advantage" claims.

[OCoyne]

I don't feel like Azeroth will represent Light. We've got Naaru for that. Nor did Sargeras "Represent" chaos/fel. He was inundated with it, shaped by it, but he was still a Titan at the core of what he was. The Burning Legion and demonkind in general represent chaos which kind of lacks a strong central figure or council. Sargers was imposing Order on Chaos while he was there by forming a legion with ranks and hierarchy that normally doesn't exist.

I feel like Azeroth is going to be a balance of the 6 forces. Some chaos, some shadow, some light, some order, and plenty of life and death, too.

Or, at least, that's what we're aiming for while the individual powers all try to sway her in one direction or the other.

You're probably right about Azeroth but Sargaras absolutely represented Chaos, he voluntarily worshipped the Fel as his way of dealing with the Old god problem. Even before he turned to the Fel he was of the mindset that a lifeless world was better than a Void corrupted world soul.

Nonetheless Azeroth's birth is going upset the balance of forces, which way she leans is going to upset the opposite, and then when a world-soul dies, just like Argus the Unmaker, the soul is far too powerful to judge rendering the Arbiter destroyed which then allows Death to take over. It's a vicious cycle.

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So, they are literally destroying dungeon leveling again after we could enjoy it through early access? Weird, would have thought they would want to avoid "early access people have an advantage" claims.

They're not nerfing leveling at all. They're increasing the power level of the dungeon mobs as it was found too easy to chain pull shit when you're in the latest Amirdrassil gear.

[Sondrelk]

So, they are literally destroying dungeon leveling again after we could enjoy it through early access? Weird, would have thought they would want to avoid "early access people have an advantage" claims.

I guess it's more so an issue of it being shockingly OP compared to conventional levelling. And even then, mostly because of the gear you got just from the pre-patch beign significantly better than most of the gear you get, all the way until level 75 at least.

That being said, you are definitely right. This massively benefits those that levelled several alts before this change.

[OCoyne]

I hope we don't see Kezan.

New expac main hub, I'll wait another decade if I have to.

Patch content and we get something like a mega dungeon would break my heart

Kezan already exists! It's the Goblin starting area!

If you mean The Undermine it'll 99% chance work as they did with Mechagon, with its own zone. and dungeon.
It'll more than likely be a civil war between all the Goblin factions and independents.

You've got the Horde Bilgewater Cartel
The neutral Steamwheedle Cartel
Gallywix and his new rebellious faction
The hostile Venture Co

[Cheezits]

I feel like the Arathi Emperor will be the Light antagonist, even if Yrel and Hell2cream are helping him.

I didn't consider this before but I wonder if the conception of the Emperor was a direct brainstorming of how to pivot away from Turalyon turning bad. But I do think we will get a story where Turalyon has to pick between his faith and the Alliance.

[Lady Atia]

You're probably right about Azeroth but Sargaras absolutely represented Chaos, he voluntarily worshipped the Fel as his way of dealing with the Old god problem. Even before he turned to the Fel he was of the mindset that a lifeless world was better than a Void corrupted world soul.

Nonetheless Azeroth's birth is going upset the balance of forces, which way she leans is going to upset the opposite, and then when a world-soul dies, just like Argus the Unmaker, the soul is far too powerful to judge rendering the Arbiter destroyed which then allows Death to take over. It's a vicious cycle.

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They're not nerfing leveling at all. They're increasing the power level of the dungeon mobs as it was found too easy to chain pull shit when you're in the latest Amirdrassil gear.

Yes, which means its nerfing level for everyone of us who had a little bit of gear and could finish dungeons within 5 minutes or less.

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I guess it's more so an issue of it being shockingly OP compared to conventional levelling. And even then, mostly because of the gear you got just from the pre-patch beign significantly better than most of the gear you get, all the way until level 75 at least.

That being said, you are definitely right. This massively benefits those that levelled several alts before this change.

Yeah but tbf, than they should have nerfed it within the first 30 minutes, not now. It's just weird.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I feel like the Arathi Emperor will be the Light antagonist, even if Yrel and Hell2cream are helping him.

I didn't consider this before but I wonder if the conception of the Emperor was a direct brainstorming of how to pivot away from Turalyon turning bad. But I do think we will get a story where Turalyon has to pick between his faith and the Alliance.

Turalyon already picked his void infused wife over his faith with an arch angel standing over him, him doing it again would be silly.

If they want conflict they should have some of the army of the light break off from him.

[huth]

Turalyon already picked his void infused wife over his faith with an arch angel standing over him, him doing it again would be silly.

If they want conflict they should have some of the army of the light break off from him.

They didn't break off when he picked the guy who killed said archangel over the angel. It would just be weird at this point.

Arathi Empire is certainly being set up to at the very least have hostile elements, if not being majority antagonistic towards the player factions, as well as having a far more dogmatic connection to the Light.

[Chickat]

Im not getting any weekly quests, and also no npc crafting is available but is working for some people.

[Nymrohd]

I feel like the Arathi Emperor will be the Light antagonist, even if Yrel and Hell2cream are helping him.

I didn't consider this before but I wonder if the conception of the Emperor was a direct brainstorming of how to pivot away from Turalyon turning bad. But I do think we will get a story where Turalyon has to pick between his faith and the Alliance.

That story never existed in game outside a few forum posters. Turalyon's depiction has been consistent and the stay a while and listen with Alleria makes it clear that he is the good partner in their relationship.

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Im not getting any weekly quests, and also no npc crafting is available but is working for some people.

Seems it was bugged and is now being fixed.
I didn't check Patron work orders and the ones I saw on examples on WoWHead looked reasonable.
The ones I got were anything but reasonable, asking for epic crafts with embelishments.

[Joshuaj]

I think the story is leaning towards all the cosmic forces coming into play

We've already seen Death and Chaos as The Jailer and Sargeras.

We've got Elune'Era as Life
Xala'tath as Void
Aman'Thul as the leader of the Pantheon of Order
Safe to say Azeroth will represent Light.

The 6 forces need to be equally balanced otherwise hell all breaks loose. And the Fatescribes did also mention The Jailer running out of Anima only caused a small crack in the balance.
Azeroth being the strongest titan of them all will more than likely upset the balance meaning Death and Chaos will also need to gain power aswell as Life and Order turning them villian in the process possibly - Death and Chaos are not permanently killed off for a reason. I can see a situation where The Jailer returns to restore the balance.

We've seen Order tamper with Disorder. We've never seen the true depths of the Nether.