The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I feel like the Arathi Emperor will be the Light antagonist, even if Yrel and Hell2cream are helping him.

I didn't consider this before but I wonder if the conception of the Emperor was a direct brainstorming of how to pivot away from Turalyon turning bad. But I do think we will get a story where Turalyon has to pick between his faith and the Alliance.

That story never existed in game outside a few forum posters. Turalyon's depiction has been consistent and the stay a while and listen with Alleria makes it clear that he is the good partner in their relationship.

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Im not getting any weekly quests, and also no npc crafting is available but is working for some people.

Seems it was bugged and is now being fixed.
I didn't check Patron work orders and the ones I saw on examples on WoWHead looked reasonable.
The ones I got were anything but reasonable, asking for epic crafts with embelishments.

[Joshuaj]

I think the story is leaning towards all the cosmic forces coming into play

We've already seen Death and Chaos as The Jailer and Sargeras.

We've got Elune'Era as Life
Xala'tath as Void
Aman'Thul as the leader of the Pantheon of Order
Safe to say Azeroth will represent Light.

The 6 forces need to be equally balanced otherwise hell all breaks loose. And the Fatescribes did also mention The Jailer running out of Anima only caused a small crack in the balance.
Azeroth being the strongest titan of them all will more than likely upset the balance meaning Death and Chaos will also need to gain power aswell as Life and Order turning them villian in the process possibly - Death and Chaos are not permanently killed off for a reason. I can see a situation where The Jailer returns to restore the balance.

We've seen Order tamper with Disorder. We've never seen the true depths of the Nether.

[huth]

We've seen Order tamper with Disorder. We've never seen the true depths of the Nether.

Though by its very nature it shouldn't actually have a leader figure. Maybe a strongest demon that can push the others around, but not an actual leader.

I'm not sure what Elune'era is supposed to be, though.

Or why Azeroth should represent Light. If anything, Azeroth should be true neutral.

[Kiivar86]

Thoughts so far, I'm really not digging the Earthen much. Aside from a handful of things (that one with the old one about to shut down and guiding him was poignant), I just feel nothing for these guys. If anything I'm really tired of them being all "Directive: blahbalh" and the like. I get that they're basically a step removed from being robots or constructs but it really bugs me, and in a way the mechagnomes didn't.

I'm hoping my attitudes change but so far, meh on them.

[FelPlague]

The fact that Danath, Kurdran, and Turalyon didn't react at all to Khadgar's death is very weird.

They may have reacted back when they found out, BEFORE coming to see us.
I doubt we are the ones to tell them of his "death"

[OCoyne]

Though by its very nature it shouldn't actually have a leader figure. Maybe a strongest demon that can push the others around, but not an actual leader.

I'm not sure what Elune'era is supposed to be, though.

When someone is the leader of the Pantheon of Order it's obvious what cosmic force he represents.
Much like The Jailer was part of the Pantheon of Death

Elune'Era is a direct gift to the cosmic force of life.

The fact it's dead and still radiates the Emerald Dream within suggests that's true also.

The tree however is a massive hindrance than anything else, not is it a cosmic force but it's also a tree which has been corrupted for thousand of years, Un'Goro Crater was made from a world tree gifted to Eonar which is also shown during the Emerald Nightmare Raid. A tree creating a crater which had been ripped out gifted to Eonar does fit the exact same description as Elune'era

Judging from the whispers from the 1st encounter, although I'm not certain but it's safe educated guess it's Ilygnoth is still present within the tree as it was in the Emerald Nightmare Raid but it's been succulently provided with the Blood of the Black God to power up.
"Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it"
"At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming"

Crater = Un'Goro Crater,
filled it = Blood of the black god
3rd death = 3rd Ilygnoth encounter
She = Xala'tath

Alot of people thought the latter referred to Sylvanas but her actions ushered in Death, not the Void.

[milkmustache]

Crater = Un'Goro Crater,
filled it = Blood of the black god
3rd death = 3rd Ilygnoth encounter
She = Xala'tath

Alot of people thought the latter referred to Sylvanas but her actions ushered in Death, not the Void.

I think the crater is rather the fissure of Khaz Algar, torn open by Aman'thul's removal of Elun'ahir.

[Kiivar86]

Thoughts so far, I'm really not digging the Earthen much. Aside from a handful of things (that one with the old one about to shut down and guiding him was poignant), I just feel nothing for these guys. If anything I'm really tired of them being all "Directive: blahbalh" and the like. I get that they're basically a step removed from being robots or constructs but it really bugs me, and in a way the mechagnomes didn't.

I'm hoping my attitudes change but so far, meh on them.

I'm still iffy on the earthen however Ringing Deeps has turned me around immensely overall, vibe-wise. Dorn felt meh but Ringing Deeps felt good. And also I think Dagran II is a new favorite of mine, he's a good kid.

Also the kobolds. Didn't think I'd come to like them but they were great.

I'm kind of in awe of how boring I fold Dorn itself.

Also while its not spelled the same, I am really amused there's some Freywold earthen named Cruton. Freaking Cruton.

[Jastall]

Hallowfall is absolutely gorgeous and has some lovely questing.

This expansion's leveling (lorewise) and world-building are pretty much BfA tier of good so far. I'm really glad to see it overall. I've rarely had so much fun just leveling.

[Al Gorefiend]

Kezan already exists! It's the Goblin starting area!

If you mean The Undermine it'll 99% chance work as they did with Mechagon, with its own zone. and dungeon.
It'll more than likely be a civil war between all the Goblin factions and independents.

You've got the Horde Bilgewater Cartel
The neutral Steamwheedle Cartel
Gallywix and his new rebellious faction
The hostile Venture Co

RIP.
I did mean Undermine.

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You know that Gazlowe was featured prominently in the TWW marketing, right? Even getting his own story and artwork.

You cannot possibly believe that his contribution to TWW will amount to getting kidnapped by Nerubians.

It is now all but confirmed that Kezan will feature in TWW. Naturally, as with every patch zone, it will be Neutral.

FYI. I meant Undermine and I assumed Dancaris meant Undermine too.

Kezan yes. Neutral of course, Bilgewater are 100% Neutral now they are led and operated by a Neutral Goblin for years (Horde-aligned loosely Neutral non-moral derived. All profit) he's been a prominent Steamwheedle for years. Kezan being Horde only would be as weird as Silvermoon staying Horde only.

[Cheezits]

So on the Wowhead dressing room you can see there is an option for the Dirigible to have Arathi colors and their symbol, but it's not currently ingame. I think this is a hint that one of the seasons will be Arathi themed.

[huth]

Elune'Era is a direct gift to the cosmic force of life.

Oh, you mean Elun'ahir.

And we don't know if ripping it out created Un'goro. Though given where it's roots grow, it probably stood a lot closer to Khaz Algar. The crater may well have filled in since, especially with Eonar not wanting to alert the other Titans to it.

Your "safe guess" is not safe at all. Last we saw Ilgynoth, it wasn't anywhere even remotely close to any trees. And is likely now dead anyway.

[Merryck]

So on the Wowhead dressing room you can see there is an option for the Dirigible to have Arathi colors and their symbol, but it's not currently ingame. I think this is a hint that one of the seasons will be Arathi themed.

Every season will have a new companion and a new mount.

[Chickat]

Hallowfall is absolutely gorgeous and has some lovely questing.

This expansion's leveling (lorewise) and world-building are pretty much BfA tier of good so far. I'm really glad to see it overall. I've rarely had so much fun just leveling.

Yeah, I think the campaign is a solid B. Its a lot better than DF or Shadowlands, but not as good as Legion or WoD imo. I think an extra chapter or two would have fleshed it out a lot, but they all feel too short. Big improvement, but lots of room for growth still.

As of now my xpac level up campaign ranking would be something like

WoD>Legion>MoP>BFA=TWW>Cata>DF>SL.

Wrath and prior level ups are really too dated for me to rank tbh.

As far as BFA vs TWW is concerned, TWW is more consistently average/above average, but BFA has larger cool moments with lots of inconsistent things that actively hurt the lore of the game.

[Super Dickmann]

Got sidetracked with sidequests, so I haven't progressed as much as I'd like but first impressions are pretty decent. The Dalaran destruction scenario was quick, but got its point across, though for efficiency they really should've had her be Karlain or another bit player rather than someone returning. The Earthen are shockingly not boring, and while from spoilers I know later on they're likely to congeal to the blando cultural mass, I do like that even the Unbound still act and speak in line with their constructed nature while the Titan-aligned guys aren't caricaturized. The bit where Baelgrim and Adelgonn talk and he actually acknowledges he's fucked up while she notes that they couldn't have done it without him works out and it makes the finale largely land, though as Val said, the actual production value of the detonation at the meadery doesn't hit the beat it has to.

On a less negative first impressions note and while I expect it to be amended come Azj'kahet, the nerubians are massively underwritten and only don't seem so because their most recent competitors are the Primalists. No one seems to react to this hitherto unknown kingdom of bugs showing up past the first two minutes or in any way inquires about them with the local earthen.

[Chickat]

Got sidetracked with sidequests, so I haven't progressed as much as I'd like but first impressions are pretty decent. The Dalaran destruction scenario was quick, but got its point across, though for efficiency they really should've had her be Karlain or another bit player rather than someone returning. The Earthen are shockingly not boring, and while from spoilers I know later on they're likely to congeal to the blando cultural mass, I do like that even the Unbound still act and speak in line with their constructed nature while the Titan-aligned guys aren't caricaturized. The bit where Baelgrim and Adelgonn talk and he actually acknowledges he's fucked up while she notes that they couldn't have done it without him works out and it makes the finale largely land, though as Val said, the actual production value of the detonation at the meadery doesn't hit the beat it has to.

On a less negative first impressions note and while I expect it to be amended come Azj'kahet, the nerubians are massively underwritten and only don't seem so because their most recent competitors are the Primalists. No one seems to react to this hitherto unknown kingdom of bugs showing up past the first two minutes or in any way inquires about them with the local earthen.

They feel like a threat on the level of the Legion loyalist Nightborne from Suramar to me, but even by the end of the campaign they still dont have a huge amount of story. Mostly because the campaign is so short. I suspect they aren't meant to last as villains past the initial patch anyways, so not a huge deal to me.

[Super Dickmann]

They feel like a threat on the level of the Legion loyalist Nightborne from Suramar to me, but even by the end of the campaign they still dont have a huge amount of story. Mostly because the campaign is so short. I suspect they aren't meant to last as villains past the initial patch anyways, so not a huge deal to me.

I'd agree with the last bit that they aren't really meant to be long-running, but they are the baddies with the most narrative focus and anyone else who'd fill those shoes would have even less to work with than them. Their allies haven't got much going for them (based on previews, as I haven't got there), Ethereals aside who've got the problem of glowing purple guys in a raid that featured glowing purple, with the Arathi cultists/skardyn being disposable and the Venture Co being unrelated bit villains. The fungarians of all factions have an inordinate focus on them for whatever reason, but I'm not seeing the mushroom raid or even where this is going.

That and historically, the starting baddies of recent expansions (BFA notwithstanding, shambles that it is), have always stuck around the whole length in some capacity. You fight Mawsworn of one kind or another throughout SL, the Primalists get Flame Druid allies but still persist with Fyrakk through the expansion, the Legion has more green demons than you can shake a stick at. I suppose you could move on to featuring just more and more abstract kinds of ascended and make the mutation angle the long-running baddie aesthetic.

[Varodoc]

RIP.
I did mean Undermine.

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FYI. I meant Undermine and I assumed Dancaris meant Undermine too.

Kezan yes. Neutral of course, Bilgewater are 100% Neutral now they are led and operated by a Neutral Goblin for years (Horde-aligned loosely Neutral non-moral derived. All profit) he's been a prominent Steamwheedle for years. Kezan being Horde only would be as weird as Silvermoon staying Horde only.

I mean, there are only 3 known places in Kezan: the wrecked Bilgewater port, a town literally called "Crapopolis" (what a joke of a race), and Undermine.

[Xilurm]

So like. You can't see the seat of the pantheon in the sky anymore. At least from the Isle of Dorn.

That's a problem, right?

[Chickat]

So like. You can't see the seat of the pantheon in the sky anymore. At least from the Isle of Dorn.

That's a problem, right?

Probably an oversight.