The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

sabellian has also called him little brother which is definitely not helping the last decade of "my father deathwing"

I think all members of each flight considers themselves children of their original aspect however much removed.

[Dracullus]

That would apply to everything? If they made Teldrassil 2.0 in Kalimdor somewhere, when would we ever go back there?

Well yeah, I thought it's pretty clear from my post. If they made Teldrassil 2.0 in Kalimdor, I would like to see expac set in rebuilded old world (or part of old world). Doing it just for sake of doing it would be stupid.

[Makabreska]

I dunno why people keep acting like Wrathion has no leadership experience and is some greenhorn who needs to prove that can handle leading people.

I mean, because he is just that - arrogant and cocky teenager. The moment he meats Sabellian, instead of trying be more diplomatic, he acts arrogant and keeps pissing him off with snarky comments like it is a dick measuring contest.

He will still defo gonna be an Aspect over Sab. He is a well established character that was around since MoP, while the other guy literally was not here since BC and is using a generic human model. I expect Sab dying, trying to fight corruption or doing some self-sacrifice, which will cause Wrathion to mature a little.

[Makorus]

Well yeah, I thought it's pretty clear from my post. If they made Teldrassil 2.0 in Kalimdor, I would like to see expac set in rebuilded old world (or part of old world). Doing it just for sake of doing it would be stupid.

Sure, but just because Teldrassil 2.0 is set on the Dragon isles, it doesn't mean that there can't be any content around it. Everyone will own DF once 11.0 comes out, and it is set up to be the "base game" (i.e. continuation of Exiles Reach and replacing BFA in that regard).

You can still have story content based around something that is in a different zone or continent even if it is not on the current world continent. And that's arguably better than just focusing on the "current expansion continent".

They aren't doing it just for the sake of doing it, they are doing it to develop the story. You can develop the story of something even if its on the Dragon Isles. Just because Teldrassil 2.0 won't be in Kalimdor doesn't mean that the Night Elves suddenly will stop giving a shit about it; it is still their ancestral home.

Making everything based around the current expansion and never revisiting old expansion zones is one of the biggest flaws of WoWs story telling, and the few times the did do it (especially in Legion in Class Hall Quests) it actually makes it feel like a "World of Warcraft" and not "Expansion of Warcraft".

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Wrathion has tried to do the Aspects' job since the moment he was born. Sabellian never cared about the Oath of the Aspects; he is the de facto leader of the black dragonflight (Given almost the entire flight recognizes him as such and owes their existence to him) but he has never shown any interest in the duties of the Aspect of the Earth. Wrathion has worked for the title, Sabellian just expects to inherit it just because he was Neltharion's heir; well Deathwing broke that Oath and his choice means shit.

I mean, when did Wrathion actually try to do the Aspects' job? Arguably, the only time he did was when he fought back against N'zoth, and there was a lot of personal vendetta included there.

He certainly didn't care about protecting Azeroth when the Legion literally was a hair away from destroying Azeroth (partially because of him).

And then in DF it was shown that he doesn't care about the future of his flight either, considering his first reaction to the last eggs being wiped out was snitching on Sabellian.

[Makabreska]

Making everything based around the current expansion and never revisiting old expansion zones is one of the biggest flaws of WoWs story telling, and the few times the did do it (especially in Legion in Class Hall Quests) it actually makes it feel like a "World of Warcraft" and not "Expansion of Warcraft".

They made us regularly revisit old zones since Legion, in quests and whatnot. It just happens rarely, because old zones are old and less attractive, and we always have a brand new expansion at a time with new lore being created.

[Revamp Man]

So...

Why does everyone hate the First Ones lore again?

Because it makes everything before SL essentially meaningless and made a pantheon above pantheons thing

[KOUNTERPARTS]

So...

Why does everyone hate the First Ones lore again?

Very easy question to answer for yourself if you’ve kept up with this forum for the past year.
You should know because you LARP’d as “TheFirstOnes” for that duration.
Is it really that hard to believe?

[genegerbread]

With an underground zone being almost guaranteed as one of the patch zones at this point, what do you think the other patch zone(s) will be (assuming we get another in 10.3, too)? Maybe an island like Mechagon or Timeless Isle but with Dragonflight size/mechanics?

Also, do you guys think we'll be getting new Renown factions? If we're to believe Khaz Algar is beneath the Dragon Isles, a dwarven faction would be neat.

[Sondrelk]

With an underground zone being almost guaranteed as one of the patch zones at this point, what do you think the other patch zone(s) will be (assuming we get another in 10.3, too)? Maybe an island like Mechagon or Timeless Isle but with Dragonflight size/mechanics?

Also, do you guys think we'll be getting new Renown factions? If we're to believe Khaz Algar is beneath the Dragon Isles, a dwarven faction would be neat.

I don't see why we wouldnt. The granular Renown rewards are a much better fit for the kind of rewards WoW factions should give. The question for me is whether we will get more Renown for the factions we already have. Might be difficult given they have Paragon rewards, but maybe.

[Nymrohd]

I'll say that Zereth Ordos is not improbable as a 10.3 zone. I still hope for Island Expeditions/Torghast content only evergreen added in Cavern of Times that just sends us at different points in time.

[genegerbread]

I'll say that Zereth Ordos is not improbable as a 10.3 zone. I still hope for Island Expeditions/Torghast content only evergreen added in Cavern of Times that just sends us at different points in time.

I would actually laugh if they made the decision to do any of the other Zereth zones.

[Ersula]

Wrathion is Deathwing's grandson, not his son.

But Wrathion keeps calling him his father. Which still might be possible if Neltharion impregnated his daughter & Wrathion was somehow in an egg for 1000+ years.

It was brought to my attention the conflict might be settled with Wrathion starting a Silver Flight; It's implied Tyr intended Dralad to be the Aspect of the sixth flight & the Silver Dragonscale is a remnant of that plan.

[Nymrohd]

But Wrathion keeps calling him his father. Which still might be possible if Neltharion impregnated his daughter & Wrathion was somehow in an egg for 1000+ years.

It was brought to my attention the conflict might be settled with Wrathion starting a Silver Flight; It's implied Tyr intended Dralad to be the Aspect of the sixth flight & the Silver Dragonscale is a remnant of that plan.

Night of the Dragon makes it clear that Sintharia was the only consort of Deathwing that could survive mating with him.

[Hitei]

I mean, because he is just that - arrogant and cocky teenager. The moment he meats Sabellian, instead of trying be more diplomatic, he acts arrogant and keeps pissing him off with snarky comments like it is a dick measuring contest.

He will still defo gonna be an Aspect over Sab. He is a well established character that was around since MoP, while the other guy literally was not here since BC and is using a generic human model. I expect Sab dying, trying to fight corruption or doing some self-sacrifice, which will cause Wrathion to mature a little.

As Biomega did above, you're responding to:
"Wrathion has no leadership experience."
"Yes, he does. Look at all of this explicit, very objective leadership experience he has."
with:
"No, but he's young though!"

Also, I don't know if you're entirely misremembering their initial encounter, but Wrathion is not the arrogant and dick-measuring one. His first line is a genuinely curious "Who are you?" to which Sabellian responds with declaring himself heir of Neltharion and follows up with a stereotypically arrogant "and you are...?" Even after this exchange, Wrathion's next comment is "well I don't know where you came from, brother, but good timing." He's entirely diplomatic. Sabellian, again, is the one who then responds to Wrathion arrogantly, putting him down as "little brother" and immediately expressing doubt at his capability despite having never met him. It is only at that point, after having now been verbally jabbed twice, that Wrathion makes a snarky comment about how Sabellian is underestimating him and has been away too long to understand the situation.

I assume that people just haven't actually done the original Sabelmane questline, because Wrathion isn't a tenth as arrogant, belittling and dismissive as Sabellian is. Y'know, the guy whose diplomatic philosophy is, and I direct quote:

Baron Sablemane says: If they will not bend knee, then she is to see to it that they are destroyed!

The same person who thinks of the Cenarion Expedition as a group to be "used", and who responds to the player actively helping him with shit like:

Now, do be a good little <boy/girl> and run this up to Rexxar.

[Nymrohd]

And hey, the ploy Sabellian used to transport the eggs is just moronic storytelling on behalf of Blizzard; "we will stay in human form in the ground and the Primalists will sure ignore the dragons flying with the eggs above and follow us instead!" and very much makes a point to keep Wrathion in the dark so he can embarrass him in front of Alexstrasza.

[Woobels]

Any guesses what the Megadungeon is going to be? Would it be insane to think they put one of the incarnates in there as to not saturate future raid content with a ton more dragon fights? Or will it be different in style/tone from the rest of the expansion like Mechagon kinda was.

[Nymrohd]

Any guesses what the Megadungeon is going to be? Would it be insane to think they put one of the incarnates in there as to not saturate future raid content with a ton more dragon fights? Or will it be different in style/tone from the rest of the expansion like Mechagon kinda was.

So far the megadungeon has always been off theme. While Karazhan had a few demons, they weren't really the dungeon's theme like Legion was. Mechagon was completely different to the rest of BfA and Tazavesh had nothing to do with the Jailer and the main story. So I expect the Megadungeon to not be about the incarnates and to tell a separate, not Dragon related story.

[Catastrophy349]

"Deaths of Chromie"

[Gurahk]

So far the megadungeon has always been off theme. While Karazhan had a few demons, they weren't really the dungeon's theme like Legion was.

Return to Karazhan happened because of the demons, they were the main villain in that dungeon.

[Revamp Man]

Agree with this 110%. Put it in Kalimdor or else its just offensive.



I mean, I hate to harp on the issue because I do it often but, the story writers just suck at their job

whaatt??? noooo they arent bad
they just retconned lore from a book released a few years ago a couple times