The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Alanar]

The last mage quest was tragic. The Arathi were so close to having a way home and it was taken away from them. Honestly didn't even think of his gender.

Hopefully the whole intent. Just enjoy the story for what it is. Nice to hear this.

[Doffen]

I see some are writing here and there about questing being weak, but honestly I've never been so interested in the story of quests as I have now in TWW. I think the worldbuilding is great and there are so many stories that are both interesting and emotional.

Its going to be Loremaster for the first time in an expansion I think. When its fixed :-)

[Al Gorefiend]

Still speculation I think, trying to figure out how the datamined Goblin raid stuff can connect with the story we've actually seen. The other popular guess is us actually going to Kezan, but with the setup we have so far, I don't see how that could be anything other than a complete tangent, something that I'd hope to avoid with the new focus on story. And there's no way a patch story would be enough to do Undermine justice for Goblin fans anyway.

Plus the Harronir/Rootlands are obviously the biggest setup with have for a major patch, and with us probably only getting two more tiers, that leaves two real possibilities (assuming that string wasn't misleading and we even get a Goblin raid in the first place)- either we go to the Rootlands in 11.1 and deal with the Goblins there, or the Rootlands are the climax of TWW in 11.2 where we fight a more significant threat. The Goblins aren't nearly connected enough to the ongoing story, or a serious enough threat, to be the big finale so they'd have to be 11.1 or nothing.

Or the Rootlands/Goblins are the same raid - like Siege of Org beginning in Vale

[Dracullus]

Do we have clear signs or datamined stuff that Undermine could be coming? Not goblin content or raid, specifically Undermine.

If not, then my predictions for patches are:

11.1 - Rootlands with entrance in Azj'Kahet
11.1.5 - Goblin megadungeon
11.2 - Core of Azeroth with entrance in Coreway (we will go all the way down).

Also I REALLY hope for more content in City of Threads in 11.0.5 and 11.0.7, it's criminally underused compared to Suramar.

11.2.7- November 25th
12.0 Prepatch-Feb 3rd.

Of course things could go wrong, but clearly their goal is patch every ~8 weeks and from end of DF we leared it includes final patch->pre-patch as well. And I agree we could see 11.0.7 this year despite roadmap, first encrypted build is early and they were talking about anniversary in October.

I would rather they just skip it and let us sit in the final patch for 8 months.

But.. why. It's just victory leap for expansion and probably just few people maintain it. Together with Remix it create awesome combo of content you could do waiting for expansion, but won't miss new experience if you prefer to take long break before launch.

I see everyone speculating about 11.1 & 11.2.
Any 11.3 believers?

If they can maintain DF model (we will see, we thought they have patch schedule worked out after Legion too), X.3 is pointless.

Making extra entry raid (because this is what is cut from old model, rest of X.1 content is spread among smaller patches, X.2 became X.1, X.3 became X.2) is even less likely if Delves will stay. I will say it again, raids simply are not lone pinnacle of PVE anymore.

[Sondrelk]

Do we have clear signs or datamined stuff that Undermine could be coming? Not goblin content or raid, specifically Undermine.

If not, then my predictions for patches are:

11.1 - Rootlands with entrance in Azj'Kahet
11.1.5 - Goblin megadungeon
11.2 - Core of Azeroth with entrance in Coreway (we will go all the way down).

Also I REALLY hope for more content in City of Threads in 11.0.5 and 11.0.7, it's criminally underused compared to Suramar.

More City of Threads stuff would be nice. Though might be unlikely. I would love if they become more prominent generally, and that 11.2 takes us to beneath Silithus where we get to see Qiraji civilization.

[Cheezits]

Do we have clear signs or datamined stuff that Undermine could be coming? Not goblin content or raid, specifically Undermine.

There is a questline in Azj'Kahet, in the Niffen town, where you help some Venture Co. goblins with Gazlowe. He wants to know where they came from and it's revealed only at the very end that they came from Undermine. Gazlowe says this is interesting.

Pretty much the only time it's namedropped and I think it's supposed to be a direct nod that we are going there. Also it fits the theme of the expansion.

[Sondrelk]

There is a questline in Azj'Kahet, in the Niffen town, where you help some Venture Co. goblins with Gazlowe. He wants to know where they came from and it's revealed only at the very end that they came from Undermine. Gazlowe says this is interesting.

Pretty much the only time it's namedropped and I think it's supposed to be a direct nod that we are going there. Also it fits the theme of the expansion.

There is also the giant and very conspicous caved in entrance in Opportunity Point, right next to the equally conspicous, unused elevator to the Isle of Dorn.

[Cheezits]

There is also the giant and very conspicous caved in entrance in Opportunity Point, right next to the equally conspicous, unused elevator to the Isle of Dorn.

Well, yeah, those two are big hints but they asked about Undermine specifically. And that's, AFAIK, the only time it's ever referenced.

[micwini]

Didnt we have 'goblinraid' and 'etherealraid' items datamined? Rootlands is small forbidden reach type zone at best. Might also just be scrapped entirely

[Sondrelk]

Didnt we have 'goblinraid' and 'etherealraid' items datamined? Rootlands is small forbidden reach type zone at best. Might also just be scrapped entirely

We did. Though given some of the stuff is very clearly attached to items already available (if you count the Azj'Kahet raid) I wouldnt put too much stock on it.
A Goblin Raid is likely because of the many hints towards Undermine and the Venture company. And an Ethereal raid isnt really, given the most we have gotten about them is a boss in the raid, and the offhand mention of K'aresh sending out a Radiant Song before it fell to the void.

[Cheezits]

So I was doing the Worldsoul Memory in north Hallowfall and it directly confirms that the Kobyss are Ankoan. Also, they lore drop that they are the only Ankoan that were able to fight off the Naga, who are another enemy in the vision. You also see Ankoan Jinyu.

Maybe the buildup for this isn't for a TWW patch, but actually an undersea area in Midnight? We've had theories that Naga would be involved because "elf tribe" and Azshara/Void, but maybe the Kobyss necromancy is going to tie them to the Scourge who will be around in Midnight as well?

[Nightshade711]

Didnt we have 'goblinraid' and 'etherealraid' items datamined?

The etherealraid items were attached to the Ethereal boss in the current raid. The goblinraid items COULD be similar.

Rootlands is small forbidden reach type zone at best. Might also just be scrapped entirely

Doubt it, the size of the map showed it was approximately the same size as the Ringing Deeps, much too big to be a small minor patch zone.
The goblins will probably try to exploit the roots for profit like they normally do.

I suspect that patch would also give us a Harronir allied race.

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We did. Though given some of the stuff is very clearly attached to items already available (if you count the Azj'Kahet raid) I wouldnt put too much stock on it.
A Goblin Raid is likely because of the many hints towards Undermine and the Venture company. And an Ethereal raid isnt really, given the most we have gotten about them is a boss in the raid, and the offhand mention of K'aresh sending out a Radiant Song before it fell to the void.

I would like an Ethereal/K’aresh zone or raid at some point in the WSS. I could see it more for Midnight than TWW though.

[Sondrelk]

So I was doing the Worldsoul Memory in north Hallowfall and it directly confirms that the Kobyss are Ankoan. Also, they lore drop that they are the only Ankoan that were able to fight off the Naga, who are another enemy in the vision. You also see Ankoan Jinyu.

Maybe the buildup for this isn't for a TWW patch, but actually an undersea area in Midnight? We've had theories that Naga would be involved because "elf tribe" and Azshara/Void, but maybe the Kobyss necromancy is going to tie them to the Scourge who will be around in Midnight as well?

Kobyss being Ankoan is definitely a cool bit of lore. Even if it digs up old wounds of not getting them as an AR in BfA.

Undersea patch in TWW seems far fetched. But I still have high hopes for crossing the Sunless sea, finding more monstrosities on the far side.

I hope Kobyss get carried forward though. They really do feel like the more serious version of Murlocs. How they make illusions of friendly Arathi, or create chests that are trapped.


Edit: just saw you said Midnight, not TWW. And yeah, I could see that work. Even just them being an antagonistic force to future friendly Naga would be nice.
I guess we can only wait and see what Midnight ends up looking like.

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The etherealraid items were attached to the Ethereal boss in the current raid. The goblinraid items COULD be similar.

I want to say the Goblinraid stuff is attached to the trinkets that have the tooltip of a detonator. Like the one from the meadery that summons explosive barrels.

[Cheezits]

I want to say the Goblinraid stuff is attached to the trinkets that have the tooltip of a detonator. Like the one from the meadery that summons explosive barrels.

The Goblinraid directly comes from an icon and staff model that were datamined in the very first build. There are some venture co items but they have a different name and are for the Cinderbrew dungeon items.

Actually theres a Goblin_outdoor staff and a Goblinraid offhand, I believe, both in the first build.

[Kiivar86]

The Goblinraid directly comes from an icon and staff model that were datamined in the very first build. There are some venture co items but they have a different name and are for the Cinderbrew dungeon items.

Actually theres a Goblin_outdoor staff and a Goblinraid offhand, I believe, both in the first build.

Went back to look and yeah pretty much.

The raid item is the offhand:



Labeled "inv_offhand_1h_goblinraid_d_01

I dunno if the staff is an outdoor one though, as it doesn't say anything about its source in the filename:



inv_staff_2h_goblin_d_01

In that same build there's a staff called inv_staff_2h_arathoroutdoor_d_01 for an example of an outdoor labeling. So who knows?

[Cheezits]

Went back to look and yeah pretty much.

The raid item is the offhand:



Labeled "inv_offhand_1h_goblinraid_d_01

I dunno if the staff is an outdoor one though, as it doesn't say anything about its source in the filename:



inv_staff_2h_goblin_d_01

In that same build there's a staff called inv_staff_2h_arathoroutdoor_d_01 for an example of an outdoor labeling. So who knows?

Yeah, it doesn't say outdoor, but it implies there will be goblin items that drop somewhere outside of an instance (if the "raid" is actually a megadungeon). Or it's a goblin heritage type thing but IDK. The vibe I got was that there will be outside quests and an instance.

[Black Rider]

Yeah, it doesn't say outdoor, but it implies there will be goblin items that drop somewhere outside of an instance (if the "raid" is actually a megadungeon). Or it's a goblin heritage type thing but IDK. The vibe I got was that there will be outside quests and an instance.

Did Mechagon, Tazavesh, Dawn of infinite have "raid" icons?

[Makabreska]

The last mage quest was tragic. The Arathi were so close to having a way home and it was taken away from them. Honestly didn't even think of his gender.

Not that tragic really. Alliance/Horde reached them, they can help making portals no probs.

[Lady Atia]

Not that tragic really. Alliance/Horde reached them, they can help making portals no probs.

Don't think you can open portals to somewhere if you weren't actually there. So no, Horde and Alliance shouldn't be able to suddenly open them up to Avaloren.

[Xilurm]

Don't think you can open portals to somewhere if you weren't actually there. So no, Horde and Alliance shouldn't be able to suddenly open them up to Avaloren.

They can take them to SW and then send a ship or two to the Empire. After that the Empire can send more ships to Khaz Algar to gather all the survivors.