The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makabreska]

Oh yes, it will. And you're going to spend whole days using all your energy to shitstorm on Twitter I imagine. What a life...

Aged like milk?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The amount of peoplewhining about "Woke" stuff is absurd. I don't blame Blizz for taking the alexstraza stuff down. Probably not worth it considering their past. Its not erasing anything either. Its just not a topic Blizz can handle optics wise atm and thats fine. Nothing woke about it. As much as I think people need to chill with outrage, I won't rage over the quests going away.

[Makabreska]

It's deeply sad, by the way. Not only all these crazy people who mix real life with the virtual, but also Blizzard who listens to the 10 assholes on Twitter who are not happy.

Posts like this make me really glad that I am a person who sees a different plot developments, skin colours or sexualities, and thinks nothing of it in terms of woke/not woke. Like, these thoughts don't even enter my mind, and it is a great thing to have. I can judge the content w/o any of this and it saves so much time and sanity on the internet.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

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Gotta be one of the most childish post I've seen on the site which is impressive

[Santandame]

Gotta be one of the most childish post I've seen on the site which is impressive

I wonder if you’ve met the kettle yet.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I wonder if you’ve met the kettle yet.

why are you going to cry about how wokness is ruining the world to?

[Santandame]

why are you going to cry about how wokness is ruining the world to?

I just think going off several of your posts over the last few pages, you’re one of the last people in the discussion to be calling others childish. Complete lack of self awareness.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I just think going off several of your posts over the last few pages, you’re one of the last people in the discussion to be calling others childish. Complete lack of self awareness.

Lol, sure buddy. come back when I'm crying about the destruction of warcraft or society going down the drain.

[Eeram]

The amount of peoplewhining about "Woke" stuff is absurd. I don't blame Blizz for taking the alexstraza stuff down. Probably not worth it considering their past. Its not erasing anything either. Its just not a topic Blizz can handle optics wise atm and thats fine. Nothing woke about it. As much as I think people need to chill with outrage, I won't rage over the quests going away.

The only real big reason I hate that they are taking away the dark quest is because it kills the bronze dragons turning infinite because they constantly have to do an deal with terrible fucked up situations to “keep the time line true” which goes into why the bronze are always dicks angry sad or just unhappy. Chromie being one of the few kinda bubbly happy bronze. Now it’s just more goofy fun silly look anduin is a murloc shit the bronze dragon flight has no depth an is now just a joke faction again. Lmao save the time lines because alexstraza baked her bagel too long!!!! Thank uou champion!
Actually I guess they could take the quest out since it’s apparently a massive deal but add some other quest that shows what the bronze have to go through everyday for the “true timeline”

[Santandame]

Lol, sure buddy. come back when I'm crying about the destruction of warcraft go society going down the drain.

Just further evidence really.

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The only real big reason I hate that they are taking away the dark quest is because it kills the bronze dragons turning infinite because they constantly have to do an deal with terrible fucked up situations to “keep the time line true” which goes into why the bronze are always dicks angry sad or just unhappy. Chromie being one of the few kinda bubbly happy bronze. Now it’s just more goofy fun silly look anduin is a murloc shit the bronze dragon flight has no depth an is now just a joke faction again. Lmao save the time lines because alexstraza baked her bagel too long!!!! Thank uou champion!
Actually I guess they could take the quest out since it’s apparently a massive deal but add some other quest that shows what the bronze have to go through everyday for the “true timeline”

The only issue with the quest is the tone taken with Chromie. Chromie is a god awful character and needs to stay relegated to the whacky, whimsical quest lines of no real importance.

This should have been handled by Nozdormu or Soridormi and shown to highlight just why some Bronze do end up going Infinite.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The only real big reason I hate that they are taking away the dark quest is because it kills the bronze dragons turning infinite because they constantly have to do an deal with terrible fucked up situations to “keep the time line true” which goes into why the bronze are always dicks angry sad or just unhappy. Chromie being one of the few kinda bubbly happy bronze. Now it’s just more goofy fun silly look anduin is a murloc shit the bronze dragon flight has no depth an is now just a joke faction again. Lmao save the time lines because alexstraza baked her bagel too long!!!! Thank uou champion!
Actually I guess they could take the quest out since it’s apparently a massive deal but add some other quest that shows what the bronze have to go through everyday for the “true timeline”

... They aren't a joke faction the previous content hasn't disappeared showing what the Bronze have to do.

[Santandame]

... They aren't a joke faction the previous content hasn't disappeared showing what the Bronze have to do.

Most of their content in Dragonflight has been whimsical to extremes.

Nothing of the Bronze in DF truly highlights the severity and horror of their charge. As far as that goes, the flight has been represented poorly this expansion thus far.

[Eeram]

... They aren't a joke faction the previous content hasn't disappeared showing what the Bronze have to do.

Show me one of the new quest that show why bronze dragons are turning to the infinite side of anything that’s even remotely bad or dark. All of the side quest I’ve seen so far work goofy or funny. Other then the two

[Sondrelk]

The only real big reason I hate that they are taking away the dark quest is because it kills the bronze dragons turning infinite because they constantly have to do an deal with terrible fucked up situations to “keep the time line true” which goes into why the bronze are always dicks angry sad or just unhappy. Chromie being one of the few kinda bubbly happy bronze. Now it’s just more goofy fun silly look anduin is a murloc shit the bronze dragon flight has no depth an is now just a joke faction again. Lmao save the time lines because alexstraza baked her bagel too long!!!! Thank uou champion!
Actually I guess they could take the quest out since it’s apparently a massive deal but add some other quest that shows what the bronze have to go through everyday for the “true timeline”

The writers seemed to have lost interest in the whole "do evil for the timeline" angle that we tended to see in many of the old dungeons.

Going back in time and ensuring Medivh summons the orcs. Or going to Stratholme to ensure the grain is sufficiently plagued was the most interesting take on the Bronze Dragons they could have had.
Hiding that aspect just leaves us with timeline shenanigans, which are nice in small bursts, but which cannot really hold up the plot.

Crossed fingers the writers don't throw the baby with the bathwater on this one. The Alexstrasza quest just seemed like a huge overreaction to me. But we still have plenty of fun ideas to that could be explored.

[Santandame]

Show me one of the new quest that show why bronze dragons are turning to the infinite side of anything that’s even remotely bad or dark. All of the side quest I’ve seen so far work goofy or funny. Other then the two

From what I’ve seen, nothing of the Bronze in DF has detailed the severity of keeping the timelines in check. The quest line at the end of the Thaldraszuz campaign was whimsical throughout. It dealt with time hopping murlocs, devilsaur and quillboar.

Even the part focused on the Infinite dragon Chromie was battling was played mostly for laughs and mild bickering.

Pay no attention to Aleruon. He doesn’t like any conflict in World of Warcraft.

[Super Dickmann]

Crossed fingers the writers don't throw the baby with the bathwater on this one. The Alexstrasza quest just seemed like a huge overreaction to me. But we still have plenty of fun ideas to that could be explored.

As said earlier, the main reason this quest was better than the Amber one, which may get the chop as well and get replaced with the one about causing an accident to off Arthas's horse is exactly because it captured the aspect of how banal enabling this kind of evil really would be.

It's not some arch melodrama, you aren't even directly the killer like with Amber, but when the Bronze job consists of fixing all issues with the timeline, for better or worse, then enabling the continuation of your friend's rape and handing out hearthstone cards become the same thing. It kills agency and will eventually desensitize the person doing it. This is also why Chromie not rending her clothes about it was a rare bit of the tone working out - why would she? Doing shit like that is the Bronzes' day job.

Now, this was likely unintentional, but not being able to even allude to it is one of the reasons why as @Santandame and others have already brought up, the Bronze story falls flat. The cost of not being able to follow the logic of what you've set up to its conclusion and milk drama out of it means you're left with a watered down conflict with a knock-on effect on both the protagonists, who go from quirky because obviously, why would you care if you've seen it all, to just being obnoxious and the Infinites as just power-hungry pricks without the blindingly obvious reason why one of the Bronzes might want to stop working on this soulcrushing job.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

"By the end of the Dawn of the Infinite, the Murozond story is finished, for now. However, there will be more quests following the dungeon. And this doesn't mean the end of the Infinite Dragonflight."

Welp, Murozond as final DF boss stonks dropping.

Unfortunate. He's one of the more interesting dragon villains we've had.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think at this point one of the incarnates will be the final boss, 10.1.5 is close and i don't think they will go beyond 10.2 as big patches go, but will have something like last patch for SL with fated raids, some questline etc.

[Luck4]

Unfortunate. He's one of the more interesting dragon villains we've had.

Blizz makes huge amounts of content surrounding characters nobody cares about or a large portion hates while scrapping great ones with multiple expansion build-ups in a single patch...

Murozond, Galakrond, and Chromatus are not going to be used in this expansion, and I'm deeply disappointed.

[Santandame]

What do you mean whimsical to the extremes? Did you forget the quests where we were forced to slaughter whelpings at the Waking Shores? Or did you not see Loamm burning whilist many Niffen were killed, primarily by being burned alive there?

Or did you just miss out on all the dead Dragons and chopped up corpses lying about?

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Why is it unfortunate? Nothing implies he's not happening. He could still occur, he just wouldn't be the final boss of DF then. And if he's not occurring, who cares? The Infinites are still going about their shit regardless.

None of which involves the Bronze Dragonflight. Which is who we are discussing.

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Unfortunate. He's one of the more interesting dragon villains we've had.

Agreed. Murozond and the Infinites could easily be played out as one of the best villainous factions in the story. There’s so much to unpack there.

I enjoy Dragonflight for the most part. But as of right now, the Bronze Dragonflight and the Infinites have been reduced to bottom of the barrel.

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Blizz makes huge amounts of content surrounding characters nobody cares about or a large portion hates while scrapping great ones with multiple expansion build-ups in a single patch...

Murozond, Galakrond, and Chromatus are not going to be used in this expansion, and I'm deeply disappointed.

It’s extremely disappointing. An expansion centered around dragons was the time to use those characters. If not use them in Dragonflight, then when?

I’d like to believe the Infinites will get their own dedicated expansion at some point, but if how both themselves and the Bronze are currently being handled is any indication of how they’ll be handled in the future, then I don’t have high hopes.

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What do you mean whimsical to the extremes? Did you forget the quests where we were forced to slaughter whelpings at the Waking Shores? Or did you not see Loamm burning whilist many Niffen were killed, primarily by being burned alive there?

Or did you just miss out on all the dead Dragons and chopped up corpses lying about?

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Why is it unfortunate? Nothing implies he's not happening. He could still occur, he just wouldn't be the final boss of DF then. And if he's not occurring, who cares? The Infinites are still going about their shit regardless.

I feel like you aren’t really reading peoples posts (mine included which you quoted) and seeing the full context of the discussion and are just replying emotionally.

The interview states that Murozond’s story within Dragonflight is finished after the conclusion of the mega dungeon. Himself and the Infinites may show up in future content, but right now, within Dragonflight and Warcraft, their story is on ice.

Him being the final boss of DF is irrelevant. Murozond and the Infinites will not be showing up in the rest of the expansion, period. We don’t know when himself and the Infinites will show up again in future expansions, if at all. All we know is that going forward, that storyline is resolved.