The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

Don't think you can open portals to somewhere if you weren't actually there. So no, Horde and Alliance shouldn't be able to suddenly open them up to Avaloren.

They can take them to SW and then send a ship or two to the Empire. After that the Empire can send more ships to Khaz Algar to gather all the survivors.

[Lady Atia]

They can take them to SW and then send a ship or two to the Empire. After that the Empire can send more ships to Khaz Algar to gather all the survivors.

You can't go there yet because of the storms though?

[Raetary]

Don't think you can open portals to somewhere if you weren't actually there. So no, Horde and Alliance shouldn't be able to suddenly open them up to Avaloren.

I don't think that's that big of an issue that someone like Occuleth or the Kirin Tor generally can't solve.

That said, they don't even have to.
The Earthen and Arathi reestablished trade relations and both are working together with us, we can just take them to over to our cities and prepare some of them for a journey back.

[Cheezits]

Not that tragic really. Alliance/Horde reached them, they can help making portals no probs.

Did you play the quest? There was only one portal mage left in the expedition, who can link to the Empire, and he can't now for obvious reasons.

[Raetary]

Did you play the quest? There was only one portal mage left in the expedition, who can link to the Empire, and he can't now for obvious reasons.

His goal was to use the Arathis memories and connection of home to establish a link to the Empire.
And his experiments where a success.

Unless there is a secondary reason why it can't happen, that does not even remotely sound like a Problem you can't give one of the Kirin Tor, Silvermoon or Nightborne Telemancers to solve.

[Sondrelk]

His goal was to use the Arathis memories and connection of home to establish a link to the Empire.
And his experiments where a success.

Unless there is a secondary reason why it can't happen, that does not even remotely sound like a Problem you can't give one of the Kirin Tor, Silvermoon or Nightborne Telemancers to solve.

The Kirin Tor is on shambles, so I don't thing giving them that problem to solve would be as easy as you imagine.

And sure, if you give the problem to Jaina or Oculeth, both of whom are experts in teleportation magic, then you could probably have them reverse engineer the solution. But they would have to start all that research from scratch given all the notes and formulas done by the mage would be gone.

So in short. It's probably possible. But would likely take a good few months at the minimum from people who are generally pretty busy. By the time they have solved it the issues in Hallowfall would likely be over and the expedition would have headed home anyways.

[Makabreska]

Did you play the quest? There was only one portal mage left in the expedition, who can link to the Empire, and he can't now for obvious reasons.

So you are telling me that thousands years old Chief Telemancer Oculeth would not be able to help here? He wouldn't be able to replicate Wenrens technique and use other Arathi imprints to open portal? Alliance/Horde could easily figure it out, if the storywriters would want to make it so. But, of course, Arathi all still have unfinished business here.

In general, Horde/Alliance quickly joining us makes this entire Last Mage conclusion tragic, but pretty much meaningless.

[Lady Atia]

So you are telling me that thousands years old Chief Telemancer Oculeth would not be able to help here? Alliance/Horde could easily help here, if the storywriters would want to make it so. But, of course, Arathi all still have unfinished business here.

In general, Horde/Alliance quickly joining us makes this entire Last Mage conclusion tragic, but pretty much meaningless.

The whole Avaloren setup is for after the WSS anyways. We maybe get a glimpse at them via Midnight again but no way they are wasting an expansion on par with MoP on some shitty patch. Metzen is back and Afrasiabi is long gone, wasting things that should be an expansion was BFA's thing.

[Makabreska]

The whole Avaloren setup is for after the WSS anyways. We maybe get a glimpse at them via Midnight again but no way they are wasting an expansion on par with MoP on some shitty patch. Metzen is back and Afrasiabi is long gone, wasting things that should be an expansion was BFA's thing.

Oh, I'm 100% sure that even if Arathi could pack it up and go back home right here, right now, they would still stay to help us out. So this plot hole does nothing anyway.

[Nymrohd]

Oh, I'm 100% sure that even if Arathi could pack it up and go back home right here, right now, they would still stay to help us out. So this plot hole does nothing anyway.

Pretty much, their mission is to protect the Beledar. They'd want to get word to loved ones and ask for reinforcements but they wouldn't leave (unless the Empire replaced them).

And I think the game suggests that the Emperor did something similar to Rastakhan and used this prophecy to send away any less than enthusiastic members of his army this way. It is not at all unlikely he means for them to fail

[Teriz]

Do we have clear signs or datamined stuff that Undermine could be coming? Not goblin content or raid, specifically Undermine.

Undermine was referenced in Dragonflight in a similar fashion as the Nerubians, and Goblins referencing Undermine in Azj Kenet. Also undermine fits the theme of the expansion.

Gazlowe being a character in the Voices Within short stories is also something to consider. Every character featured in those short stories have had a major part in TWW thus far.

Here’s wowhead’s speculation about this from earlier this year. If they’re picking up on Undermine hints then that’s definitely evidence of it might be happening;

https://www.wowhead.com/news/gazlowe...dermine-342238

[Nymrohd]

So from my perspective, profession design seems so poorly thought out.
Aqirite is the last of the minerals you get to mine yet is almost useless, barely used by BS, used in limited amounts in Engineering and ends up just getting prospected. Meanwhile the amount of Bismuth that all three professions devour is insane, easily 10-15 times more than any of the other nodes so even with it being the most common it is still the most expensive by far. Like, why do I need to spend ore when I am crushing gems?

Ofc it can just be intentional. Create a completely skewed supply and demand relation for farmable items, drive people into the AH, people spend their gold and buy tokens. Which IS happening, token price is falling constantly. Bots and Blizzard are getting rich.

[huth]

Yeah they should keep letting Avaloren cook for a bit, even after TLT. Lets say they do it first thing after TLT, then what's next? They don't have anything and I think people are getting tired of constantly new continents we've never heard from. I think they should do a lot of seeding.

It just goes to show how they've wasted so many expansion worthy areas as patch content. Nazjatar being the most prominent example.

You're forgetting that we would still have a minimum of 3 expansions to introduce and build up more in that case. Plus the rest of TWW. The important part is that they actually do so, instead of just dropping it out of nowhere (unless it's something like SL or MoP, where that's kinda the point).

[Nymrohd]

You're forgetting that we would still have a minimum of 3 expansions to introduce and build up more in that case. Plus the rest of TWW. The important part is that they actually do so, instead of just dropping it out of nowhere (unless it's something like SL or MoP, where that's kinda the point).

And you can always have us connect with the Empire more during the next expansions. I expect a Faerin and Anduin book between TWW and Midnight, possibly with him returning to SW. Then during Midnight maybe the Empire sends troops to help us; we meet more Arathi and see the differences between Empire and Hallowfall that were created over the last decade.

[Skytotem]

Not that tragic really. Alliance/Horde reached them, they can help making portals no probs.

The horde and alliance don't know Avaloren's 'coordinates'.

[Makabreska]

The horde and alliance don't know Avaloren's 'coordinates'.

Again, coordinates weren't needed. Wenren was trying to link a portal to Averolen using the fact that Arathi were born there.

[Skytotem]

Again, coordinates weren't needed. Wenren was trying to link a portal to Averolen using the fact that Arathi were born there.

Right, he was killed though, so who knows how long it will take for them to reverse-engineer the method he'd been developing for years.

[huth]

The horde and alliance don't know Avaloren's 'coordinates'.

For what it's worth, the Alliance actually should know where it is. And have an easy way to get there, for that matter. Of course, Blizzard is trying hard to forget they gave them a freaking spaceship capable of atmospheric flight.

[Raetary]

Right, he was killed though, so who knows how long it will take for them to reverse-engineer the method he'd been developing for years.

He was an apprentice, with no tutors and next to no resources, trying to study a school of magic that he self-admittedly sucked ass at.

We got Archmages galore, master Telemancers, centuries to millenia worth of Arcane research and access to some of the brightest and most powerful magical minds at our disposal.

I find it rather laughable that someone like Occuleth wouldn't be able to easily reproduce Werens experiments on a weekend escapade.

[Mecheon]

He was an apprentice, with no tutors and next to no resources, trying to study a school of magic that he self-admittedly sucked ass at.

We got Archmages galore, master Telemancers, centuries to millenia worth of Arcane research and access to some of the brightest and most powerful magical minds at our disposal.

I find it rather laughable that someone like Occuleth wouldn't be able to easily reproduce Werens experiments on a weekend escapade.

The thing is, Wenren was actually there so he still has a connection to the Arathi empire, even if he didn't learn the portal magic. Occuleth could poke around, sure, but its not the enviroment he's used to, he wouldn't have that natural knowledge of the local leylines Wenren would have, plus the knowledge of where everything was. Wenren and co were trying to return home, any other mage poking at it wouldn't have that connection

Occuleth couold replicate the experiment, sure, but that'd get you a portal to Suramar because that's where he's from and what he knows. Trying to get to probably-Avaloren and the Arathi empire? Probably a 90% chance of embedding yourself in a wall somewhere and perishing horribly.

Mages don't tend to do "Teleport to unknown locations" If even Kalec, y'know, current aspect of magic? Even he messed up doing that last expansion. Occuleth's good, sure, but its a crazy dangerous thing to do