The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Al Gorefiend]

I hope you are right because at this point it feels like a joke having to pretend that "shadowpriest the void class" while Alleria is showing off "not playable" things to us.

We've put up with this seeing troll shadow hunters for decades.

[milkmustache]

Dead or simply inactive? maybe they can be reactivated?

This is a good point too. Earthens going inert or shutting down has been shown in different ways than just allowing the forest to take over them.

Plus the flowing water on their staff is interesting to me. It could very well be nothing, but I think it's an interesting piece of worldbuilding that begs to be questioned further.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamin...-murloc-346495

Now datamined, sylvanas set for 850 tenders, im quite surprised that they didn't save it to sell as shop item, i bet there will be something new on the store around that time but yeah, i think it's pretty cool that we won't have to pay for that.
Plus the shop lo'gosh set and blue one datamined for 850 each and sword.

Even as not the biggest sylvanas fan, it's a really nice set mog, hopefully there will be more armor sets in the future that are based on azeroth heroes, it's usually the only thing i buy in other mmos i play.

[Foolicious]

I'm still curious to see if anyone has any thoughts on this:

Are the Freysworn aware of or influenced by the Haranir and their duties? Will we see some information on these "Woldclaimed Freysworn" non-interactable NPCs around the Isle of Dorn?

Pretty sure they know of them, but if anything the harronir are influenced by them. The ingame book tells us that the harronir arrived much later than freya. I think the harronir learned how to protect the roots from the freysworn.

The woldclaimed freysworn are most likely just dead ones. They seem to be in opposition to the titans and probably chose to power down somewhere in nature. This way they don't return to the titan machines and keep their memories for themselves which is very much in line with the philosophy the freysworn and harronir share.
I just don't know yet how the thraegar fit into all of this. They also seem to be connected to the rootlands and azeroth, but there is so little information about them.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamin...-murloc-346495

Now datamined, sylvanas set for 850 tenders, im quite surprised that they didn't save it to sell as shop item, i bet there will be something new on the store around that time but yeah, i think it's pretty cool that we won't have to pay for that.
Plus the shop lo'gosh set and blue one datamined for 850 each and sword.

Even as not the biggest sylvanas fan, it's a really nice set mog, hopefully there will be more armor sets in the future that are based on azeroth heroes, it's usually the only thing i buy in other mmos i play.

Why bring Sylvanas back into the story when you can have a million female elf Hunters with her armor and name instead?

[allegrian]

Very cool that with Classic TW we will be able to farm the original Zanadalari Tribe reputation (unobtainable since Cataclysm) and the PvP reputations too !!

Time to do TW dungeons non-stop

How can we get the pvp reputations in the event? They're a major chore to farm with bgs.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Why bring Sylvanas back into the story when you can have a million female elf Hunters with her armor and name instead?

I will use it on my gnome hunter.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I will use it on my gnome hunter.

Fucking EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

"Gnomevanas"

[Nymrohd]

How can we get the pvp reputations in the event? They're a major chore to farm with bgs.

Given it is rep commendations I assume Timewalking Badges?

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Well the changes for the raid seem to be active in the PTR but the timewalking versions of the dungeons don't seem to have proper loot tables or any changes to the bosses. Still think they will look like crap compared to anything modern.

[Sondrelk]

Dead or simply inactive? maybe they can be reactivated?

They probably could get reactivated. That is afterall what the giant machine the Earthen Spawn from does. The issue is keeping the personalities inherent to the bodies, which is the part that degrades and is irreplaceable.

The life cycle of the Earthen used to be that they would eventually go into the machine whose name escapes me, and have their bodies revitalized, and their memories wiped so they would be ready to perform their duties again. However this did in effect kill the Earthen.

[huth]

They probably could get reactivated. That is afterall what the giant machine the Earthen Spawn from does. The issue is keeping the personalities inherent to the bodies, which is the part that degrades and is irreplaceable.

The life cycle of the Earthen used to be that they would eventually go into the machine whose name escapes me, and have their bodies revitalized, and their memories wiped so they would be ready to perform their duties again. However this did in effect kill the Earthen.

You could probably fix and reactivate any Earthen that doesn't have their memory gem shattered. But yeah, there's the problem of them losing their memories and identity.

Though i imagine with the proper knowledge and tools it would be perfectly possible to give them more storage space and recharge them without wiping the memory.

[Darkarath]

How can we get the pvp reputations in the event? They're a major chore to farm with bgs.

As Nymrohd said we will be able to buy commendations with TW currency

[OCoyne]

All of the Woldclaimed are certainly dead, but I think we'll hear more about them in a potential Haranir patch.

Well, in that case. You're right but you looked at the wrong NPC's.

These are the fellas in question who you were meant to be asking about

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=219334/freysworn-arborist

As said above, they're using the Druid Cataclysm Arena set attire, they used Druid magic in the first stages of the Beta but it was changed to Shaman magic so it wont give any false hope about Earthern Druids and if you interact with them they tell you they're practising Druid magic. And an Arborist is someone who diagnoses a tree's health.

I think the conclusions are there for everyone to see

[Cheezits]

The Freysworn were clearly designed as Druids and there is some secret lore in Khaz Algar about there being an underlying Life force, which is PROBABLY Elun'ahir and they are being coy for the many players who aren't keeping up to date on hardcore lore. Hence why Haranir aren't getting a big focus at launch and the Freysworn stuff you have to look for.

I think that even if they retooled them to have shaman stuff at launch, they are clearly meant to be Freya/Life serving Earthen, and so they may get Druids when their lore is explored further. However they may keep them from getting druids so the Haranir, who clearly are druids and stated to be such, can be a little more special.

[Ersula]

Well, in that case. You're right but you looked at the wrong NPC's.

These are the fellas in question who you were meant to be asking about

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=219334/freysworn-arborist

As said above, they're using the Druid Cataclysm Arena set attire, they used Druid magic in the first stages of the Beta but it was changed to Shaman magic so it wont give any false hope about Earthern Druids and if you interact with them they tell you they're practising Druid magic. And an Arborist is someone who diagnoses a tree's health.

I think the conclusions are there for everyone to see

Okay but what's the pressing question? They're Earthen who follow the tenets of Eonar through Freya, and their conflict with the Oathsworn drawing from what we learned about what happed with Elunahir, which the Freysworn themselves explain to the player. They're entirely self-explanatory.

The Freysworn were clearly designed as Druids and there is some secret lore in Khaz Algar about there being an underlying Life force, which is PROBABLY Elun'ahir and they are being coy for the many players who aren't keeping up to date on hardcore lore. Hence why Haranir aren't getting a big focus at launch and the Freysworn stuff you have to look for.

I think that even if they retooled them to have shaman stuff at launch, they are clearly meant to be Freya/Life serving Earthen, and so they may get Druids when their lore is explored further. However they may keep them from getting druids so the Haranir, who clearly are druids and stated to be such, can be a little more special.

I think its indicative of the devs flip-flopping on whether or not to eventually open up the non-hero classes to all races. We had multiple opportunities in dragonflight to do so already. Or, for example, why did Earthen Death Knights make it into Beta before they changed their minds? Or, again, for example, if you were going to forshadow & hint Earthen Druids why fix the one Earthen Druid in the one Rookery story scenario into a Shaman rather than just letting it be as it was.

We all know it takes a while to make all the assets required for these classes, but considering how many years (decades) they've been playing with the idea they had more than enough time to do so already.

On one hand, I'm glad Metzen's back because opening up Paladins, Druids & Shaman to all races would have been Ion's decision, and I don't think he was brave enough to make that decision on his own: On the other hand, there's a decent chance Metzen himself killed these prospective race/class combinations.

[Lady Atia]

Okay but what's the pressing question? They're Earthen who follow the tenets of Eonar through Freya, and their conflict with the Oathsworn drawing from what we learned about what happed with Elunahir, which the Freysworn themselves explain to the player. They're entirely self-explanatory.I think its indicative of the devs flip-flopping on whether or not to eventually open up the non-hero classes to all races. We had multiple opportunities in dragonflight to do so already. Or, for example, why did Earthen Death Knights make it into Beta before they changed their minds? Or, again, for example, if you were going to forshadow & hint Earthen Druids why fix the one Earthen Druid in the one Rookery story scenario into a Shaman rather than just letting it be as it was.

We all know it takes a while to make all the assets required for these classes, but considering how many years (decades) they've been playing with the idea they had more than enough time to do so already.

On one hand, I'm glad Metzen's back because opening up Paladins, Druids & Shaman to all races would have been Ion's decision, and I don't think he was brave enough to make that decision on his own: On the other hand, there's a decent chance Metzen himself killed these prospective race/class combinations.

I'm quite sure they will make the "druids/paladins/shamans" for all classes as a big feature of one of the side patches, similiar to the anniversery theme of next patch. Alternatively it will happen when they bring back Class Halls as an expansion feature. But its clearly a ressource management thing, so I wouldn't be surprised if they worked on lets say paladin mounts in the background - the next patch basically has only 1 new mount while everything else are either recolours (the timewalking ones) or stuff that was already in the files (demonbikes) afterall.

Speaking about that, I still want a HD ashes of al'ar based on the event mount .... and maybe do a dark red / purple / green recolor aswell when they are already on that haha.

[Kiivar86]

Anyone experiencing some micro-stuttering in Delves? I started getting it last week, literally the only place it happens is in every Delve I have tried so far - every moving model (NPCS, my character, objects with animations (like the steam pumps in Waterworks) has a slight stutter in its movement after a certain distance. It's not an FPS drop from what I can tell, it's a consistent micro-pause in the models' movements.

It's not game-breaking, but it's near-distracting when trying to do Delves.

I get a moment of stuttering when I approach a delve's entrance but that's about it.

[Marlamin]

I get a moment of stuttering when I approach a delve's entrance but that's about it.

Yeah, that's just the airlock/map loading, I think everyone gets that to an extent.

[Shadowferal]

I'm quite sure they will make the "druids/paladins/shamans" for all classes as a big feature of one of the side patches, similiar to the anniversery theme of next patch.

I sincerely doubt that such will happen anytime, if at all.
And for the simplest of reasons, they don't have to.

[Valysar]

Yeah, that's just the airlock/map loading, I think everyone gets that to an extent.

Speaking of map loading, there is this weird thing that we do not have any loading screen between the Isle Dorn and the Ringing Deeps while being on a skyriding mount, but we do have one while being on a flightpath or while using traditional flight style