The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

What they said is "You won't have to wait till the end of 2026 for [12.0]" so I think that means earlier in 2026...not a full year earlier. If 12.0 comes out even at the very end of 2025 that means TWW is the shortest expansion by a huge margin, 4+ months.

Yeah, I took that as meaning TWW will not last the usual 24 months, and instead will end up releasing earlier. Not much more complicated than that.
With the usual expansion cycle you would expect Midnight to release in the latter half of 2026. But given we are more likely looking at an 18 month cycle it would release early in 2026. Possibly even December of 2025 if they manage to it it out early enough for that lucrative release window.

[Kiivar86]

I saw a post on reddit the other day which I found a bit interesting. It is likely nothing, and I can't check to see how closely it aligns (plus relying on in-game maps to reflect actual locations/size is silly after all), but Dhar Oztan (the mountain in western Dorn that's covered in crystals and is involved with the storm rooks) kinda lines up with the Beledar's location on the map, seemingly.

Kind of interesting to have that crystalline covered mountain roughly line up with the giant crystal embedded in the earth in another zone, if so.

[Jaggler]

I saw a post on reddit the other day which I found a bit interesting. It is likely nothing, and I can't check to see how closely it aligns (plus relying on in-game maps to reflect actual locations/size is silly after all), but Dhar Oztan (the mountain in western Dorn that's covered in crystals and is involved with the storm rooks) kinda lines up with the Beledar's location on the map, seemingly.

Kind of interesting to have that crystalline covered mountain roughly line up with the giant crystal embedded in the earth in another zone, if so.

I dunno how much you can infer from maps, considering the two Elevators from isle of Dorn to the Ringing Deeps don't line up at all.

[Alanar]

Fellowship of the ring wasn't a book, it was just lord of the rings, but you're right J.R.R Tolkiens version was miles first but it's hard to confuse the 2. Like for example the Giant cave troll who Aragorn fights right at the end was Sauron in the book.

What, ..I think you should leave.

[Kiivar86]

I dunno how much you can infer from maps, considering the two Elevators from isle of Dorn to the Ringing Deeps don't line up at all.

Fair point and yeah like I said too that trying to align it that way is at best a guess but it does, I think, bear some thinking.

Just figured it was interesting!

[Houle]

My guy's been watching a different lord of the rings than everyone else has, maybe one of those Amazon spinoffs they've been doing. He only disposed of Gandalf, warned him off going into the mountains telepathically which ultimately killed him, took control of Rohan and built an army to attempt to kill 1/2 of humanity as Gondor was too busy dealing with their own problems.

Sure, lets talk about the movies only here.
This is Saruman during his first (and only) on-screen fight:



Gandalf is giving him trouble. Yes, he wins the fight in the end, but hes very much also thrown around, and hes bloodied and bruised by the end. Hes not shown as invincible and unfightable.

Then, this is Saruman failing to stop Gandalf, the most valuable and powerful prisoner he couldve had, from escaping:



Thats a big setback for him. In fact, its this setback that later leads to his and Saurons defeat.
So no. Saruman is not portrayed as infallible and only winning in the first movie. Not even close.

It also emphasises the point it's completely okay to spread it out over a full or a 2nd episode when you're doing a trilogy but you wouldn't know that because you've been a watching a completely different one than everyone else has.

No, it emphasizes that despite his considerable power, Saruman was not infallible and experienced setbacks throughout both of the first 2 movies. But you wouldnt know that, since it seems you either havent watched the movies in some time, or you didnt pay attention at all.

I was going to a massive post how you can find a massive goldmine of Nerubian lore which entails future major characters not introduced yet but I can't be bothered after that reply

Ok?

Fellowship of the ring wasn't a book, it was just lord of the rings, but you're right J.R.R Tolkiens version was miles first but it's hard to confuse the 2. Like for example the Giant cave troll who Aragorn fights right at the end was Sauron in the book.

...you havent actually read any of the books, have you? Aragorn never fought Sauron in the books. Sauron didnt actually fight ANYONE during the Third Age.
The movies originally had Aragorn fight Sauron at the end, but they cut that out and replaced it with the troll, bc again, Sauron didnt fight anyone in the books, and they wanted to keep it that way.

[Sondrelk]

I saw a post on reddit the other day which I found a bit interesting. It is likely nothing, and I can't check to see how closely it aligns (plus relying on in-game maps to reflect actual locations/size is silly after all), but Dhar Oztan (the mountain in western Dorn that's covered in crystals and is involved with the storm rooks) kinda lines up with the Beledar's location on the map, seemingly.

Kind of interesting to have that crystalline covered mountain roughly line up with the giant crystal embedded in the earth in another zone, if so.

I had the same thought. But unless the Isle of Dorn is much larger than it seems, and Hallowfall is the same exact size, the distances just don't line up. Just going for a basic overlay of the zones, Dhar Oztan would be somewhere right above the western border between Hallowfall and Azj'Kahet. The Beledar meanwhile would be way out in the ocean west of the Isle of Dorn.

That being said, it wouldnt be the first time things didn't perfectly line up. And while I think it's infinitely more interesting to fly out to Beledar from Hallowfall, or better yet use teh Dawnbreaker to get there. I can see a case for the entrance being in Dhar Ozstan.

Or of course the Crystal is just very big and assymetrical. In which case it really doesnt matter how far apart the two seem to be. It could easily snake its way through the earth and sticking up at two different points.

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I dunno how much you can infer from maps, considering the two Elevators from isle of Dorn to the Ringing Deeps don't line up at all.

That is also very true. Somehow the elevator south of Gundergaz leads to an exit Northeast of Dornogal, despite the two cities being right on top of one another.

[Cheezits]

I think there will be some significance as to the tree growing out of the top of the Rookery. Some remnant of Elun'ahir?

[Sondrelk]

I think there will be some significance as to the tree growing out of the top of the Rookery. Some remnant of Elun'ahir?

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the tree is just there for decoration. I doubt the Titans would be happy with a blatant remnant of their failure in the middle of the city.

Also, it doesnt seem to be connected to the ground in a way that would allow for it to be connected to the roots of Elun'ahir we see underground.

[OCoyne]

Sure, lets talk about the movies only here.
This is Saruman during his first (and only) on-screen fight:



Gandalf is giving him trouble. Yes, he wins the fight in the end, but hes very much also thrown around, and hes bloodied and bruised by the end. Hes not shown as invincible and unfightable.

Then, this is Saruman failing to stop Gandalf, the most valuable and powerful prisoner he couldve had, from escaping:



Thats a big setback for him. In fact, its this setback that later leads to his and Saurons defeat.
So no. Saruman is not portrayed as infallible and only winning in the first movie. Not even close.



No, it emphasizes that despite his considerable power, Saruman was not infallible and experienced setbacks throughout both of the first 2 movies. But you wouldnt know that, since it seems you either havent watched the movies in some time, or you didnt pay attention at all.



Ok?



...you havent actually read any of the books, have you? Aragorn never fought Sauron in the books. Sauron didnt actually fight ANYONE during the Third Age.
The movies originally had Aragorn fight Sauron at the end, but they cut that out and replaced it with the troll, bc again, Sauron didnt fight anyone in the books, and they wanted to keep it that way.

You're polluting a decent thread with your utter crap, go away.
If you can't even understand LOTR, you shouldn't even be talking WoW lore if a 3 part film is too much to understand for you.

It was bad enough when I had to explain what the difference between a Watcher and a Keeper was.

[milkmustache]

Any last minute predictions on our raid ending?

I know we've got a basic skeleton of it in mind, with Ansurek having a vision of Xal'atath, but what is in that vision? Does Xal basically just say "you failed me and your people alike, pity"?

And further, do we think that the closure of the Nerubian arc will be a light wrap of the TWW-pre-Metzen story? If the Nerubians prove to just have been a way to get Xal'atath and the factions to war to fuel the black blood as she had said, were they originally intended to be a single patch arc, and will we see more?

[Sondrelk]

Any last minute predictions on our raid ending?

I know we've got a basic skeleton of it in mind, with Ansurek having a vision of Xal'atath, but what is in that vision? Does Xal basically just say "you failed me and your people alike, pity"?

And further, do we think that the closure of the Nerubian arc will be a light wrap of the TWW-pre-Metzen story? If the Nerubians prove to just have been a way to get Xal'atath and the factions to war to fuel the black blood as she had said, were they originally intended to be a single patch arc, and will we see more?

I imagine most of TWW will prove to be pre-Metzen. The likely outcome if he hadn't pitched the idea of a trilogy would likely be Beledar/Xal'atath leading into Avaloren.

Sadly, I think the Nerubian story is effectively done for now. We will probably get more of it in TLT given we are going back to Northrend. But Nerubians in TWW were probably a once and done thing outside the occasional Nerubian Ascended boss in future raids.
If we get more my guess is that it will be added on top of the existing story as a response to fan reactions to Azj'Kahet, rather than integrated into the broader story.

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For the cinematic, I am going to go for the old faithful of Ansurek being told by Xal'atath that she should have listened to her mother all along, and that she failed.

If not, then my guess is that Ansurek will be shown the future of Nerubians as a slave race of the Old Gods (or in this case, Void Lords) once again.

[Ereb]

If I were a screenwriter, I would never write such a spineless character. So I hope he disappears forever. I'm scared to think what will happen next if he is in the plot. If he looks so bad with a cool Varian sword and armor, then if he uses his old lollipop instead of a sword and doubles his tears I might start bleeding from the eyes.

Have you even played TWW campaign bro? lol

[Cheezits]

I am guessing Xal will either show Ansurek, and through her the player, either a vision of a corrupted Elun'ahir or Quel'thalas to tease future patches. Hopefully we get an Undermine tease in some way following the raid.

Now, why she would show Ansurek that when Ansurek failed her, no idea. Maybe to scare her as she dies?

[Nymrohd]

We should get some lead in to the next patch. I assume we aren't getting new story content in 11.0.5 given it is all focused on the anniversary so we are likely waiting for 2025 to get more story. They should leave us with something, no?

[Houle]

You're polluting a decent thread with your utter crap, go away.
If you can't even understand LOTR, you shouldn't even be talking WoW lore if a 3 part film is too much to understand for you.

It was bad enough when I had to explain what the difference between a Watcher and a Keeper was.

Ah, so you started this discussion, but now that you have no actual argument anymore, after me and multiple others here have pointed out that you are talking utter nonsense, you suddenly call it "crap polluting a decent thread" haha. So you resort to childish insults and hard denial.

Dont start a discussion if your ego cant take it when people point out that you have no idea what you are talking about. Cause all youve shown is that your media literacy seems to be near zero.

Oh and you explaining the difference between a watcher and a keeper has absolutely nothing to do with this. Especially since it certainly wasnt me who you had to explain it to. Cheap straw man distraction attempt, try again.

As others have already told you: you are just embarrassing yourself here. Maybe come back when youve cooled off.

[Foolicious]

Any last minute predictions on our raid ending?

I know we've got a basic skeleton of it in mind, with Ansurek having a vision of Xal'atath, but what is in that vision? Does Xal basically just say "you failed me and your people alike, pity"?

And further, do we think that the closure of the Nerubian arc will be a light wrap of the TWW-pre-Metzen story? If the Nerubians prove to just have been a way to get Xal'atath and the factions to war to fuel the black blood as she had said, were they originally intended to be a single patch arc, and will we see more?

Its probably just ansurek dying and alleria being taunted by xal.
I would like to see some reference to any of the lore that is dropped in ajzkahet about the nerubians. That some queens foresaw the future, that their memories are shared, that neferess knew "something" about the nerubian empire ansurek didn't etc.
Maybe a teaser that we are able to go down into the old kingdom or futher down the coreway now etc.

[Raetary]

We should get some lead in to the next patch. I assume we aren't getting new story content in 11.0.5 given it is all focused on the anniversary so we are likely waiting for 2025 to get more story. They should leave us with something, no?

Pretty sure there will be some story.
There usually is, and it even says so on the roadmap.

We know that at least Vereesa pops up for something.

[Joshuaj]

What all 3 hours of it because the campaign is remarkably short. It's like writing Fellowship of the Ring that Gandalf kills Saruman immediately, it's boring.

The Jailer literally got his first L before you even get to Oribos, infact he got alot of L's along the campaign starting with the very first one when you enter the Maw then losing sight of the adventurer, losing all the Torghast prisoners, then losing Revendreth and only started picking up W's in the following patches.

It's just piss poor writing on both accounts.

Because it's a 3-part trilogy its perfectly okay to build up a super villain right into Midnight then she can start picking up the L's.
You don't write a 3 part story with, well there's this nasty person with this nasty magical device, she did nasty things with the device and then she lost it.

MoP Garrosh has been their best effort so far. From war mongerer to complete maniac over a few patches. Garrosh and Gul'Dan are examples that the villian doesn't need to take L's, they'll get their comeuppance at the end of their stories

"The Jailer got L's the entire expansions"

LMAOOO WHERE???

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Bro's been winning the entire expac til the final patch, where we only won cause the power of the literal creators carried.

[micwini]

Any last minute predictions on our raid ending?

I know we've got a basic skeleton of it in mind, with Ansurek having a vision of Xal'atath, but what is in that vision? Does Xal basically just say "you failed me and your people alike, pity"?

And further, do we think that the closure of the Nerubian arc will be a light wrap of the TWW-pre-Metzen story? If the Nerubians prove to just have been a way to get Xal'atath and the factions to war to fuel the black blood as she had said, were they originally intended to be a single patch arc, and will we see more?

I hope that the vision is a flashback to what happened to Northrend nerubians and then Xal making Ansurek believe on death that Azj kahet will follow the same demise, but by us. (which wouldn't be correct).

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"The Jailer got L's the entire expansions"

LMAOOO WHERE???

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Bro's been winning the entire expac til the final patch, where we only won cause the power of the literal creators carried.

I think people are conflating indirectly vs directly. Directly, he got 0 L's before he died. All minor L's were twisted such that he made his own call. "ah whatever bois, this place is useless lets go somewhere else", etc.
Indirectly tho, all of his lackeys got the stick.