The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Barator]

Does anyone know why the date for Hallows End was changed? Its starting on october 25th know instead of the 18th

[Sondrelk]

Love your passion about Silithus zone, but I don't think it will happen.
I think they will carve the path forward in the next 2 small patches and by 11.0.7, we should have a clear idea on where we're going.
Im thinking Undermine still:
- Reason for it would be to repair the artifact. Paralelling the goblins making the demon soul
- Lots of goblin related side quests, one of them namedropping it at the end
- Gazlowe appearance + short story
- Marin Noggenfogger is present as well. You save him on the beach after Dalaran's fall
- EZ-mine nodes
- Some new goblin assets (as far as I know. They could also be from BFA)
- Goblinraid.jpg
- Cinderbrew meadery is not in the M+ rotation and would fit a goblin patch seeing as it is kind of a Venture Co. dungeon

There is just a lot of things pointing at it being a major location in the near future.
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Undermine seems inevitable in some form. Only question is whether it will be a full dedicated patch. If it will share space with something else. Or if it will be the Megadungeon.

Personally I think making Undermine the raid, and the zone it comes with being the Rootlands would work best. Though maybe I am too fixated on the idea of giant shredders the size of cathedrals cutting down trees.

[Khaza-R]

I know. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Maybe I am being too harsh though. The hypothetical Rootlands patch could absolutely blow me away and remove all doubt from my mind it was a good idea compared to whatever else was an option.

Personally I wasn't sold on it either until I did the quest line and saw the Unseeming stuff.

I think "Rootlands" will be more spooky nature themed vs just Amirdrassil 2.0. Its also likely going to elaborate on how the Old Gods are directly connected to the Void as a larger entity. So should be interesting.

[Sondrelk]

Does anyone know why the date for Hallows End was changed? Its starting on october 25th know instead of the 18th

If I were to guess it would be because there is content attached to it coming in the Anniversary patch, and the developers don't want to miss out on it by a single week.

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Personally I wasn't sold on it either until I did the quest line and saw the Unseeming stuff.

I think "Rootlands" will be more spooky nature themed vs just Amirdrassil 2.0.

I love the Unseemung and all that. I just don't like the Harrinir.
You could take the Unseeming plotline and have the friendly faction be almost anybody and I don't think much changes.

Maybe I am being unfair on the Harrinir though. When I heard then talk my mind almost immediately went to the Na'vi from Avatar, and I had a visceral reaction remembering those movies.

[OCoyne]

k'tanth was her city
the korbyss were her people
and Xalatath is her name

Unsure about that one mind. Korbyss are descendants of Murlocs, so you're implying Xalatath was once a Murloc pre-change.

I genuinely can't switch off from the idea that she's a human avatar of N'Zoth. That theory still hasn't gone yet, the cinematic only raised suspicions with the final line of "Only the strongest survive" N'Zoth fought the other 3 before they joined forces and was the weakest out the 4.

[Sondrelk]

Unsure about that one mind. Korbyss are descendants of Murlocs, so you're implying Xalatath was once a Murloc pre-change.

I genuinely can't switch off from the idea that she's a human avatar of N'Zoth. That theory still hasn't gone yet, the cinematic only raised suspicions with the final line of "Only the strongest survive" N'Zoth fought the other 3 before they joined forces and was the weakest out the 4.

Kobyss are more immediately descended from Ankoan.
A pedantic point given Ankoan are Jinyu, who are ascended murlocs who evolved with the power of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, but still.

Also Xal'atath can't really be N'zoth given we have seen them have a dialogue after we released Xal'atath from her dagger and gave her the elf body she currently inhabits.

[Kiivar86]

Looking at some stuff from the testing of the anniversary event:

-There's a kyrian present.
-Taelia's there, so she's not forgotten, I suppose.
-Reshad (Arakkoa from AU-Draenor) and Soulbinder Tuulani are there too. Hard to say if they're somehow the AU ones we've met or actually the main universe's versions.

[Houle]

I genuinely can't switch off from the idea that she's a human avatar of N'Zoth. That theory still hasn't gone yet, the cinematic only raised suspicions with the final line of "Only the strongest survive" N'Zoth fought the other 3 before they joined forces and was the weakest out the 4.

They literally met, had a conversation and made a deal in BfA. Xal gave the player character to him, and in exchange for that he released her fully from the dagger and allowed her to leave. How would any of that make sense if they are the same being.

[milkmustache]

Orwenya was literally in the TWW trailer for the most amount of time accumulated, she's getting a major storyline whether you like it or not.

This whole thing about Goblins is becoming a meme at this stage, all they've had is literally 1 piece of dialogue from the Earthern to something being underneath Dornogal, it's not something which is major in comparisons with Elune'Ahir, The Arathi or the Korbyss.
Every .2 patch seems to feature a mega dungeon alongside with the raid, it might get that but everything else is just approaching meme status

If you're looking at it in a "who was featured most in marketing" sense, then don't ignore Gazlowe having a short story in the pre-expansion marketing.

Rootlands will certainly be a patch. There's a lot more to it then just a few haranir in Azj-Kahet and Orwenya in the marketing video. But there is also significant concrete evidence of a goblin patch with the datamined raid icons, number of Goblin settlements in 3/4 zones, hints woven in side quests, etc. etc. I think you're blatantly ignoring it because there are some other things that demand attention.

The Arathi won't be a patch, the Empire is almost certainly being saved for a post Worldsoul Saga expansion. I think we'll see them in Midnight and The Last Titan, but that's it. Beledar must come up at some point, but I think that will either be the megadungeon or a story thread in a patch.

The Kobyss are cool, but they hardly have enough focus for a patch. As you said before, we'll see them return with the Naga's story to be told upon Azshara's return.

Elun'ahir and the Rootlands will be visited. I think it'll be another patch, maybe 11.2. But there won't be a combination of that and Goblins. There's no sense in believing the two will be put together, each will get their own patch.

[hattahat]

The most likely scenario is that the Rootlands will be the Forbidden Reach of this expansion, with Season 2 covering the Goblin Raid and the megadungeon of Forbidden Reach or Hallowfall.

[Zardas]

The most likely scenario is that the Rootlands will be the Forbidden Reach of this expansion, with Season 2 covering the Goblin Raid and the megadungeon of Forbidden Reach or Hallowfall.

What would be 11.2 then ?

[Xilurm]

The most likely scenario is that the Rootlands will be the Forbidden Reach of this expansion, with Season 2 covering the Goblin Raid and the megadungeon of Forbidden Reach or Hallowfall.

10.1 wasn't Forbidden Reach, it was Zaralek Caverns. Forbidden Reach came back in 10.0.7 but that's only because it was already an existing zone.

They ain't introducing a massive new zone in a minor patch.

[hattahat]

What would be 11.2 then ?

11.2 will be the core of Azeroth, leading from the coreway, where we'll enter the facility that titanizes Azeroth and fight not only the titan minions, but also Xal'athath, who is trying to infuse Azeroth with the Void.

10.1 wasn't Forbidden Reach, it was Zaralek Caverns. Forbidden Reach came back in 10.0.7 but that's only because it was already an existing zone.

They ain't introducing a massive new zone in a minor patch.

I know, but you have to remember that we only got to experience four zones in 11.0. And I expect a fifth zone to come in a minor patch in this expansion, whether it's 11.0.5 or 11.0.7. And of course, Season 2 will introduce new zones, whether it's Undermine or something related to it.

[Nightshade711]

The most likely scenario is that the Rootlands will be the Forbidden Reach of this expansion, with Season 2 covering the Goblin Raid and the megadungeon of Forbidden Reach or Hallowfall.

Could make sense if the map for the rootlands wasn’t the size of some of the other zones in TWW. But it is the size of the Ringing Deeps. I don’t see them wasting a full sized zone for a .x.7 patch.

[Golden Yak]

I'd predict Undermine for season 2, Rootlands for season 3.

I don't know what the megadungeon would be. I can't think of some obvious big fancy door anywhere that could have a megadungeon behind it like the Bronze Conflux. Maybe something in the Earthen areas, a big Earthen facility connected with the Chamber of Memory. Earthen halls leading into Titan facilities, with a breach from Xal'atath's forces, and we learn all about the true plans of the Titans and the nature of the Worldsouls, stuff that will lead into Midnight and Last Titan just like how Dawn of the Infinite had elements that led into TWW.

[OCoyne]

They literally met, had a conversation and made a deal in BfA. Xal gave the player character to him, and in exchange for that he released her fully from the dagger and allowed her to leave. How would any of that make sense if they are the same being.

It literally doesn't matter. It was never explained or showed how N'Zoth benefited from the artefacts which were given to him which only enhances the argument. He knew he was the weakest out the 4 and he knew the other 3 were dead. So you'd expect him to sit around and wait to die or try and do something. It's very possible that the end goal was to merge together.

There's even more suspicion the fact that Xala'tath labelled N'Zoth as the biggest beneficiary of the Battle of K'Tanth despite the fact he got annihilated.
And also it was Mogdud Thaurassian who uncovered Vexioana and her Twilight brood who ended up in Nyolatha.

The fact that the 2 seem to know things when they're not even present would raise anyone's suspicions

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If you're looking at it in a "who was featured most in marketing" sense, then don't ignore Gazlowe having a short story in the pre-expansion marketing.
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Yeah I'm aware of Gazlowe's trailer, but so does Thrall and he's literally had a bit of speech with Anduin at the end of the initial campaign. Doesn't mean he's getting a raid too.

I'm not ruling it out completely but to say it's a raid is approaching meme status. Like I said it'll be a megadungeon along the lines of Gallywix doing dodgy deals with the Shadowguard or the Skardyn like he was doing with the brokers in Shadowlands. I'd be quite happy with that storyline also.

[Kiivar86]

It literally doesn't matter. It was never explained or showed how N'Zoth benefited from the artefacts which were given to him which only enhances the argument. He knew he was the weakest out the 4 and he knew the other 3 were dead. So you'd expect him to sit around and wait to die or try and do something. It's very possible that the end goal was to merge together.

He gives them to the Restless Cabal that we fight in the Crucible of Storms (if you look at their abilities, they use all three). Presumably if we hadn't killed them, they would have taken them somewhere, but we stopped that.

[Dracullus]

I'd predict Undermine for season 2, Rootlands for season 3.

Can't really see Rootlands as final zone of expac, especially when last zone of DF was nature themed. From narrative perspective most sense to me is going through Coreway to, you know, core of Azeroth.

[OCoyne]

My favourite thing about 11.0.5 is the festival hub, it's full of life and character and exactly what the Darkmoon Faire should be like. All the random known characters from past and present showing up randomly and leaving leading to the oddest collabs you'd never ever think of happening

Emberthal
Shado Pan
Taelin Fordragon
Tortollans
Drust
Lorthremar
Lillian Voss
Mathias Shaw
Wrathion
Knights of the Ebon Blade
Kryians come through a portal
Those guys from Revendreth who ousted Denathrius come through a portal (I forgot the name)
Marin Nogginfogger
Even Mr.T turns up as "The Night Elf Mohawk" from when he did the Night Elf Mohawk TV ad. Not gonna lie I laughed and facepalmed at the same time when I saw that.

Not the entire list. Their interactions are still not fully implemented but I saw a Highborne get a lesbian crush for a blue dragon not knowing it's a dragon in visage form.

[Dracullus]

It could be small thing, but I don't get why Darkmoon doesn't have entrance in Dornogal. Many people would check it out of curiosity, I wouldn't be surprised that many who joined game in last 10 years don't even know it exists.