The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Maybe the idea to turn it into a trilogy was from him, we dont know, but what we do know is that they were pretty much finnished on tww when ever he came in. Including groundwork. With that Idk if I would really call it hes baby perse, maybe he sees it like that, but many people/employees who already worked super hard on it, I can imagine would call it their baby as well.

They were 10 months into development that’s not “pretty much finished”, if it was blizzard wouldn’t have constantly missed there yearly expan plan and gave up on it.

Locations art systems, all of this stuff would be underway as we have seen by such things for future expans being data mined in parts before they come out but the story while confided to said locations and assets would have tons of room to change.

[bruxx]

"We know they were pretty much finished on tww when ever he came in" what the hell are you basing that on? Actually I was wrong, Metzen wasn't back at Blizzard in early 2023, He was back working on WoW right after Dragonflight came out. TWW would have just been being brainstormed at that point.

Metzen himself is the source, in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjsyTS_lfk

Not that they were finished mind, but that they were still almost a year in development.

[FuujCraft]

"We know they were pretty much finished on tww when ever he came in" what the hell are you basing that on? Actually I was wrong, Metzen wasn't back at Blizzard in early 2023, He was back working on WoW right after Dragonflight came out. TWW would have just been being brainstormed at that point.

At 3:25 he said they have already been working on TWW for 10 months when he came in.

[micwini]

The other way around is equally as dumb. It just becomes fodder very fast.

Yes you're right, but it is always the same currently. We used to have a good mix.

[allegrian]

Metzen was formally announced as being in charge of all warcraft properties a year ago, but had that position since he revealed he was back at Blizzard early 2023. The War Within & the Entire Saga is Metzen's baby.

In the last youtube interview he said that when he came in, TWW was already 10-11 months deep in development.

[BaumanKing]

If after everything they have seen since BfA, Turalyon and the Lightorged want to side with them in purging the world of other impurities.

Since Anduin is already filling the "good blond paladin" niche, there is only one path for Turalyon as a character - to become a villain. If Alleria dies because of the Void, then it would be entirely in character for Turalyon to begin a tyranny of the Light to "cleanse" the world of the Void. He may act like a golden retriever with puppy eyes around Alleria, but he's still a fanatic through and through. There are hints of this even in TWW, like the way he treats Geya'rah or how he admits at the end of the campaign that he still can't trust the Void.

[Jolly Roger]

I don't think they had any real plans for Taelia that Metzen could scrap in the first place. Shadowlands was her heritage payoff moment, but since Bolvar's mystique was completely gone and he came off like a hapless chump the whole expansion it was less "immortal king of the dead has his humanity exposed by his long lost child" and more "guy gets a call from his estranged daughter right after he got laid off and it's pouring rain outside and he dropped the keys to his car into a drain" energy. Then, like most of the cast at that point, she was just kind of there.

I'm sure they had ideas floating around for her that maybe even made it onto a whiteboard, but that's a far cry from a plan.

we will find out
the scarlets are set up to have a link and using them with the arathi would be a fun patch

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Since Anduin is already filling the "good blond paladin" niche, there is only one path for Turalyon as a character - to become a villain. If Alleria dies because of the Void, then it would be entirely in character for Turalyon to begin a tyranny of the Light to "cleanse" the world of the Void. He may act like a golden retriever with puppy eyes around Alleria, but he's still a fanatic through and through. There are hints of this even in TWW, like the way he treats Geya'rah or how he admits at the end of the campaign that he still can't trust the Void.

second path is to die to save Alleria
Xal is definitely gonna want revenge and we see Alleria reconnecting with turalyon so....

[BaumanKing]

second path is to die to save Alleria

Idk. After Rhonin and Nathanos, it would be very strange if yet another one of Windrunner's human lovers bites the dust.

[Ersula]

In the last youtube interview he said that when he came in, TWW was already 10-11 months deep in development.

Considering they worked on a survival game for 6 years and had nothing done, that doesn't mean anything. Considering at that point they had 20+ months before TWW actually released, nothing was set in stone. As well as considering the apparent person in charge was ejected unceremoniously. While I like TWW, Metzen undoubtedly framed the situation this way to make TWW seem like a big Legion-esque expansion in terms of scale, which it simply isn't. Building an expansion takes the same amount of time as undoing whatever Baldy's Basics created before metzen got in there.

[Telogrus]

Will 11.0.5 have any TWW story content?

[Sondrelk]

Will 11.0.5 have any TWW story content?

Doesnt seem like it. Though I wouldn't rule out some minor foreshadowing hidden from datamining, I think it's more likely all of that will be present in 11.0.7 when they go fully into building up to 11.1.

[Kiivar86]

Will 11.0.5 have any TWW story content?

Looks to be chiefly focused on the anniversary but there's Moira doing stuff in BRD, and maybe something at the party at the Caverns of Time. I wouldn't expect much though.

[Sondrelk]

Idk. After Rhonin and Nathanos, it would be very strange if yet another one of Windrunner's human lovers bites the dust.

I would think that Rhonin and Nathanos being dead would place a massive marker on Turalyon to also die so that the Windrunner sisters can have a big reunion in Midnight and brood over their lost human loves.

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Looks to be chiefly focused on the anniversary but there's Moira doing stuff in BRD, and maybe something at the party at the Caverns of Time. I wouldn't expect much though.

If we get something I would not expect more than a quest where Dagran calls us to the Chamber of Memory to talk about how there is a macguffin somewhere deeper into the Coreway.

[Nymrohd]

Btw do you think we will get anything new next time MoP Timewalking becomes available? It's really weird to me that we still don't have ToT Timewalking.

[Zardas]

Will 11.0.5 have any TWW story content?

Seems like it : https://external-content.duckduckgo....501&ipo=images

[Dracullus]

Will 11.0.5 have any TWW story content?

Roadmap says yes, but it isn't always 100% accurate. They haven't talk about it on reveal video, but they focused entirely on Anniversary there. It won't be tested on PTR anyway. Only hint we could get something is added Vereesa model (...with spelling error).

If anything, expect some short post Nerubar Palace questline. Probably 11.0.7 (which should launch around early January) will have more story that will serve as bridge to 11.1.

[MauroDiogo]

It was mentioned that Blizz has 5 zones for Khaz Algar but due to heavy lore implications they didn't include the 5th in the TWW Beta.

Going by the wording, we probably won't be seeing the zone in a PTR either. So it could potentially be surprise-dropped along with 11.0.5? Since it was already ready in the Beta but they didn't want to show it then.

I'm just too excited and eager to see more of the Haranir and the likely Rootlands zone they have!

[Merryck]

The character restore service currently has a 60 second CD. I hope they keep it like this.

[Hitei]

It was mentioned that Blizz has 5 zones for Khaz Algar but due to heavy lore implications they didn't include the 5th in the TWW Beta.

Going by the wording, we probably won't be seeing the zone in a PTR either. So it could potentially be surprise-dropped along with 11.0.5? Since it was already ready in the Beta but they didn't want to show it then.

I'm just too excited and eager to see more of the Haranir and the likely Rootlands zone they have!

Zone patches are typically a full number (11.1, 11.2). In recent convention, x.5 patches are typically minor areas/hubs and some new features (Forbidden Reach becoming a max level zone, Zskera vaults, new specs, the anniversary hub, new dracthyr classes, etc.), and x.7 patches are just some new filler content, like a new outdoor activity or heritage armor quest.

[Nymrohd]

A question if you will.
Given that with the dungeon rotation logic, half the dungeons are largely unavailable outside leveling and lore for release, would it not be a better idea to parcel them out in small patches? Like say straight away that the expansion WILL have 8+ dungeons but only launch with the ones that will actually be used in the first season (usually the leveling ones) and then add dungeons in smaller patches that support the story. Now lorewise almost every dungeon added in TWW release was part of the story (except maybe the honey alehouse?) but imo there would be nothing wrong to launch with 4 and then add 4+ in patches (ideally enough that every season has 4 new dungeons).