The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Shadowferal]

What should they do then?

Get someone else to do the writing. Someone that can present an adult theme, preferably an actual adult writer.

[Ateo]

Get someone else to do the writing. Someone that can present an adult theme, preferably an actual adult writer.

How exactly does a writer change matter? What exactly do you want changed?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Heres warcraft 1 credits.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/565...-humans/credit

The men I'm talking about.

Also, I do not care to discuss the IRL issues blizzard faced they aren't my problem nor place to discuss. We are discussing in game lore and writing in a fictional setting not the writers nor your personal bias.

So you think Metzen had nothing to do with WC1 as he’s not on that list?

Here are the actual credits.

And in line with blizzards own doc.

Public Relations Susan Wooley-Sams

Susan Wooley is known for StarCraft (1998), StarCraft: Brood War (1998) and Warcraft: Orcs & Humans (1994).

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1068408/

[Shadowferal]

How exactly does a writer change matter? What exactly do you want changed?

You have to be joking....for the sake of the written word...

[Ateo]

So you think Metzen had nothing to do with WC1 as he’s not on that list?

Here are the actual credits.

And in line with blizzards own doc.




https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1068408/

You're arguing temp staffing and outsourced work at this point. You do realize those people aren't writers right?

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You have to be joking....for the sake of the written word...

Stop dodging and answer.

[Shadowferal]

Stop dodging and answer.

If you don't understand the power of the written word, then you certainly have no business responding to me at all.

But I do note that Blizz is getting rid of this..."quest." So it's neither here or there.

[Ateo]

If you don't understand the power of the written word, then you certainly have no business responding to me at all.

But I do note that Blizz is getting rid of this..."quest." So it's neither here or there.

A smug retort doesn't answer my question. You're just an arrogant kid acting as if Warcraft or any game for that matter should be held to some high brow standard, which they shouldn't.

Get over yourself already.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're arguing temp staffing and outsourced work at this point. You do realize those people aren't writers right?

https://www.mobygames.com/person/918...n-wooley-sams/

Worked on every game up to wow’s launch, that’s one hell of a temp.

Blizzard has had woman in its work force since WC1 probably earlier, it was never 10 dudes.

And thanks to Metzens own comments we know that the writers they did have knew what was going on and he atleast feels like he didn’t do enough about it.

[Ateo]

https://www.mobygames.com/person/918...n-wooley-sams/

Worked on every game up to wow’s launch, that’s one hell of a temp.

Blizzard has had woman in its work force since WC1 probably earlier, it was never 10 dudes.

And thanks to Metzens own comments we know that the writers they did have knew what was going on and he atleast feels like he didn’t do enough about it.

Dude, how many times do I have to say I'm not talking about irl issues as they aren't my problem nor place? Stay on topic.


PR isn't a key role for a game. You're over glorifying some person as if they are a key member of the creation of this franchise. They aren't. That is the last thing I'm saying about this irl shit. Stick to the game and the writing in the game.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Dude, how many times do I have to say I'm not talking about irl issues as they aren't my problem nor place? Stay on topic.


PR isn't a key role for a game. You're over glorifying some person as if they are a key member of the creation of this franchise. They aren't. That is the last thing I'm saying about this irl shit. Stick to the game and the writing in the game.

FYI when those themes were being originally written it was a company with like 10 members all being male. None of the drama from the past few years existed.

Change your goal post from at the company to “there not key roles” if you want, it doesn’t really matter to my point that you were wrong about blizzards make up at the time of said themes being put into the games.

[username993720]

You're playing a game that used to heavily insinuate in it's manual that orcs captured and raped female species.

This entire franchise is a spin off of Warhammer. If you can't handle mature/dark themes then leave. Stop pretending this isn't a game with very real dark shit that happens in its lore. War has consequences, some of those being deemed atrocities. This is called good writing. This is the entire basis of the warcraft franchise.

Pillaging, civilian murder, conquest, slavery, brutality.

We are literally running around butchering people/animals with giant cleavers with blood animations and light gore everywhere.

Stop begging for a gutted version of this game, if you don't enjoy these themes you're simply in the wrong place.

You do realize i was supporting your argument, right?
Warcraft should reconnect with its Warhammer roots. This crazy american mentality that you should tread carefully as to not hurt anyone is harming their creativity and completely strips the franchise of its epicness.

They shouldn’t touch topics they don’t have the skill or will to Handle properly just like the sleaze bags who originally put said topics into the setting shouldn’t have touched it while they or there work mates were playing pretend at the same things in the offices.

If i pick a game, i don't ask who made it. They could be the worst people on earth. Hell, they can be nazis. Yet, i wouldn't ask them to modify their game to my beliefs. I would simply not buy their products if it disturbed me that much or outright boyocott them.

sure if that’s what you want to call it then in all for censoring shitty writers or people who don’t have the skill or will to do theses topics Justice.

What is this silly argument of "they can't handle topics"?
Was Garrosh's line of calling Sylvanas a bitch mishandled or just the whim of a single developer with a toddler? Was Alexstrasza being raped in WC2 a grim mark on all real world rape or was it simply being taken as what it is, a storytelling point in a story arc.
I often see people overeacting over Night elves being burned at Teldrassil. You're taking it too seriously. It is a game.
When will enough be enough? When every character will be the same and there would be nothing more than peace, love and friendship?

[ParanoiD84]

What should they do then? Act as if this game is real life and write a 24 page in game chat dialogue essay on the consequences of these actions? You're playing a game it has limited time for exposition. Grow up and learn to handle this shit better.

I mean i remember you said the same thing about modern wow being childish and disneyfied a couple weeks ago so it seems you also have a huge problem with wow's modern writing if that post was anything to go by.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

What is this silly argument of "they can't handle topics"?

They are crap writers or crappy people, as such there lack of skill or will reflects directly into there work and you get what should be mature adult subjects come across poorly, see chromie making cheese jokes about the Alex quest.

If blizzard or any one else actually wants to use theses subjects I’m for it as long as they do it with the Justice it is due, which blizzards seems to refuse to do.

[Santandame]

Alright guys it’s getting really fucking boring now.

[username993720]

They are crap writers or crappy people, as such there lack of skill or will reflects directly into there work and you get what should be mature adult subjects come across poorly, see chromie making cheese jokes about the Alex quest.

If blizzard or any one else actually wants to use theses subjects I’m for it as long as they do it with the Justice it is due, which blizzards seems to refuse to do.

Being poor writers has nothing to do with these topics in particular. They could be shitty in any other subject as well. Avoiding them doesn't make it any better. Focusing on high pitched voices and "emotional" cutscenes doesn't help the game either.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Im looking at some wowdb new quest items and i wonder where this one will lead too, with horde book icon - https://ptr.wowdb.com/items/206984-blood-soaked-book

It could be just some daily stuff from rifts i guess.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Being poor writers has nothing to do with these topics in particular. They could be shitty in any other subject as well. Avoiding them doesn't make it any better. Focusing on high pitched voices and "emotional" cutscenes doesn't help the game either.

Being a poor writer/person is always worse when your dealing with more serious subjects.

I also haven’t said they should avoid the topics, I’ve advocated for them to still touch on them but in a better way, though after the lawsuit I don’t think blizzards has the chops for it.

I’m also pretty sure I’ve never mentioned “high pitched voices” or “emotional cutscenes” any where or if I’m for or against them.

[Khaza-R]

Im looking at some wowdb new quest items and i wonder where this one will lead too, with horde book icon - https://ptr.wowdb.com/items/206984-blood-soaked-book

It could be just some daily stuff from rifts i guess.

I would assume the return of the Brawler's Guild? Considering the original starter quest was the Blood-Soaked Invitation.

[Raetary]

Patch on july 11th.
https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/...GVhlTUs9g&s=19

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I would assume the return of the Brawler's Guild? Considering the original starter quest was the Blood-Soaked Invitation.

You might be into something, i know someone here before mentioned brawler's guild is coming back but i couldn't find any info about it.

Also breaking news, 10.1.5 launches july 11.