The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Man, I'm finally going to get this car after all this time.

I started out pretty young around Cataclysm, I've been dreaming of having this ride since I was a kid! I can't believe I'm going to have a childhood dream come true + housing... I feel like I'm going to wake up and it'll all be just another dream.

I was VERY happy with how Undermine turned out to be HD Kezan aesthetic and not a new tweaked version, kind of like what they did to Night Elf buildings in Bel'ameth vs Teldrassil. Goblin aesthetic has been one of my favorite things in WoW.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

I was VERY happy with how Undermine turned out to be HD Kezan aesthetic and not a new tweaked version, kind of like what they did to Night Elf buildings in Bel'ameth vs Teldrassil. Goblin aesthetic has been one of my favorite things in WoW.

Totally. It was time the goblins had a little more intention and love.

[milkmustache]

I was VERY happy with how Undermine turned out to be HD Kezan aesthetic and not a new tweaked version, kind of like what they did to Night Elf buildings in Bel'ameth vs Teldrassil. Goblin aesthetic has been one of my favorite things in WoW.

I feel like this is the way to go to get us closer to our world revamp. Modernize the aesthetic that is already there and it'll last for a long time.

[Sondrelk]

I suppose one thing I am disappointed they didnt mention in the Direct is future non-gameplay updates. Whether there are updates to cosmetic stuff, or more race class combinations.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

I suppose one thing I am disappointed they didnt mention in the Direct is future non-gameplay updates. Whether there are updates to cosmetic stuff, or more race class combinations.

You have to save a little novelty for later. Now that housing is a real thing, I can transfer all my hopium power to the Tinkers. There's a chance they're hiding in the roadmap... After all, Ion said that Undermine would be very important and that we'd go back there later...

[Sondrelk]

You have to save a little novelty for later. Now that housing is a real thing, I can transfer all my hopium power to the Tinkers. There's a chance they're hiding in the roadmap... After all, Ion said that Undermine would be very important and that we'd go back there later...

Maybe I am just impatient and hoping against hope that we get removal of transmog limitations and letting Dracthyr transmog fully. Might even arguably be a bigger thing for me than housing was.

[milkmustache]

You have to save a little novelty for later. Now that housing is a real thing, I can transfer all my hopium power to the Tinkers. There's a chance they're hiding in the roadmap... After all, Ion said that Undermine would be very important and that we'd go back there later...

He did? Was it implied it'd be relevent to the story later or was he hinting at something involving the cars/dynamic ground mounts?

[Cheezits]

Undermine makes sense as a hub for an evergreen racetrack mode. Though they would need to change up the setting somehow to keep them varied.

And/or Brawlers Guild? Though it would be kind of cool if Undermine was for racing and another new area (Plunder Isle?) was used for Brawlers Guild.

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Very late food for thought, but Bilgewater Cartel renown will be the first time a player race faction is a neutral rep/renown.

[micwini]

I know this is probably tongue in cheek but I think someone proposed a fairly interesting take on that earlier on?

I think that could be really fun. The Nazrethem were always sort of vague in their alleigences until Shadowlands, but I think they still have this hired gun self vested interest air about them. Whatever comes in Midnight, it would be cool to see the Nathrezem as part of their invasion force. Part of the Legion's invasion feeling so brutal was that there were just massive amounts of troops. We'll get a lot of Shadowguard Ethereals in Midnight, but diversifying the Void's troops would be really fun.

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Some sort of tongue in cheek Godzilla vs Kong reference there I'm sure. You're right that they pointed out "alchemically inclined" when speaking about the goblins, so I'm sure that further extraction of the black blood will be on the list of Xal's involvements in Undermine.

I wasn't joking. There is a very good video out there that goes into it and it all makes sense. Altho personally, I wouldn't like it. I'd like for once, that a character is just evil because of himself and his actions/means to his end. Or just being a greedy goblin that tried to play too many sides.

[Joshuaj]

So, somehow, they managed to make it inexplicably massively worse. Did they say what the catalyst was for this awful mistake?

Interesting how they were going to name the naaru's overlords "Archons". Were they deliberately trying to evoke Gnosticism or did they randomly pick a name they thought sounded cool?

I mean, considering the Light in WoW takes from Christianity and Islamic beliefs, possibly? It's highly likely they won't be named that though.

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Undermine makes sense as a hub for an evergreen racetrack mode. Though they would need to change up the setting somehow to keep them varied.

And/or Brawlers Guild? Though it would be kind of cool if Undermine was for racing and another new area (Plunder Isle?) was used for Brawlers Guild.

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Very late food for thought, but Bilgewater Cartel renown will be the first time a player race faction is a neutral rep/renown.

Give. Me. Racetracks.

Give. Me. HIGHWAYS!!!

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There is a fairly lengthy theory that Gallywix is not only an unironic dreadlord but Detheroc himself. While I think it's a longshot it's a fun idea and the fact that Gallywix was the one to show Sylvanas the Azerite (confirming a Jailer "prophecy") is an interesting point. Also general gluttony - sin - revendreth vibe (and they made Detheroc into a fatty in WC3RE)

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-The-Nathrezim

I think the ACTUAL dark secret will be Gallywix sold us out to the ethereals and Xal and/or repaired the dark heart, but this would be amazing too.

Idk, could work.

I just like the idea of Gallywix being a shitty person though.

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Man, I'm finally going to get this car after all this time.

I started out pretty young around Cataclysm, I've been dreaming of having this ride since I was a kid! I can't believe I'm going to have a childhood dream come true + housing... I feel like I'm going to wake up and it'll all be just another dream.

Blizzard giving players a Car and a House while reality is making it harder for me and others to get that type of stuff...

W ngl

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The N'zoth story literally makes no sense unless he wanted to be in the dagger for some reason. I am sure he will pop up at some point. And with the unseeming stuff, its possible the other Old Gods will as well



Goblins had podracers in vanilla and D.R.I.V.E. is clearly a throwback to the goblin starting zone when you had a car to pick up your crew and travel around in.

I tend to be more on the fantasy purist side of the spectrum but I think goblin stuff is totally fine as long as its self-contained. And since its just an Undermine feature, there's really no worries for any of it.

Agreed, but I wouldn't hate it if WoW added T.Vs and P.Cs to the game, but namely as a housing cosmetic feature (And nothing actually lore breaking). That would be sick.

[Xilurm]

Do we have any idea what Nightfall is?

[Sondrelk]

Do we have any idea what Nightfall is?

Given the name is the same as the headquarters of the Hallowfall void cultists, and given the Beledar is not mentioned elsewhere, I would put money on it being Beledar themed. And being some epilogue for the Hallowfall Arathi.
It also comes out at the time when we would normally have gotten a Megadungeon. So maybe it's similar to the questlines and content we got for the Dawn of the Infinite megadungeon, sans the actual dungeon.

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It also comes out at the same time as the Horrific Vision event. So I imagine the entire patch will be heavily Void themed. Which to me makes it more obviously a Beledar equivalent to 10.1.5 adding the megadungeon and acompanying dailies and weekly event.

[Eeram]

Chat am i misinformed or ?
But didn’t they say we would be getting a new companion for delves for season 2

[Ersula]

Chat am i misinformed or ?
But didn’t they say we would be getting a new companion for delves for season 2

back at Blizzcon they implied we would, but it seems they meant we'd get a new companion each expansion, assuming delves proves itself an evergreen feature.

[Mecheon]

Dragonquest seems to be doing that just fine, and as a base game feature too. Chances are the issue is on something else with GTA.

Dragon Quest might be slipping through on obscutiy and not being, y'know, GTA 5, incredibly popular video game that's infamously pay to earn in-game money

GTA 5's online casino area is specifically not available in certain countries due to it running into gambling concerns.

[Cheezits]

back at Blizzcon they implied we would, but it seems they meant we'd get a new companion each expansion, assuming delves proves itself an evergreen feature.

I think they backtracked to it being a companion for a whole expansion instead of a companion each patch. Unsure why, but I do see the appeal of having it be one character you can have fun and meme with for a whole expansion instead of just saying "bye Brann" when Undermine drops.

Now, if Brann actually got a GOOD questline, that would be nice!

[Nibelheimy]

If you watch the direct, Ion says "Undermine plays a vital role as a continuation, a next chapter on the MANY stories in the War Within, we will have much more to share in the coming months" or something like that, after saying this the visuals return to shots of Faerin and the Arathi. So its completely safe to assume Nightfall will be about them as we suspect.

Nightfall is presumably the Beledar turning purple, possibly with more power now, and horrific visions are probably instanced versions of Dornogals zones or cities while the crystal is in Darkmode.

[Joshuaj]

If you watch the direct, Ion says "Undermine plays a vital role as a continuation, a next chapter on the MANY stories in the War Within, we will have much more to share in the coming months" or something like that, after saying this the visuals return to shots of Faerin and the Arathi. So its completely safe to assume Nightfall will be about them as we suspect.

Nightfall is presumably the Beledar turning purple, possibly with more power now, and horrific visions are probably instanced versions of Dornogals zones or cities while the crystal is in Darkmode.

Imagine if Beledar cracks and it reveals a Void God to us, showcasing that a Naaru was in there the whole time.

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Blizzard after they reveal that a Naaru was inside Beledar this entire time (The Light's been trying to claim the Worldsoul as well, and we just haven't fully known it yet)

[Nibelheimy]

As much as I'd prefer a Naaru, I imagine Horrific Visions will be the visions that Azeroth are sending to its heroes, but now as Nightmares. We go into Faerins Nightmare in Hallowfall, Magni's in ringing Deeps etc, etc. I imagine Thrall in Dornogal and Alleria in Azj'kahet will be included as the original Horrific Visions had them both as main bosses,

[Xilurm]

I also thought we'd be getting a new Delve companion in season 2. Guess that's not the case.