The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

On reddit, someone noted that the symbol at the end of the roadmap resembles a symbol seen in WoD:



It is, though, somewhat different. It rotates in the opposite direction, and this one doesn't have that loop at the core like the roadmap symbol does.

Still, interesting.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Its a time will tell what this exactly offers, but besides decoration I dont see much use in this. Its just a rp element, which sure fits in an mmorp. But outside that, Idk man. What would it offer, what we dont already have?

A home, man. It's a feature that doesn't “serve” a purpose (because apparently some players can't see that everything doesn't have to be linked to the player's power in some way) apart from being an additional element of customization.

Customization is the most important part of any video game, and even more so in R(ole)P(laying)G(ame). But some people tend to forget these last letters.

And then there are the “perks” of owning a house, like an extra free TP at the location of your choice and little things like that.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

On reddit, someone noted that the symbol at the end of the roadmap resembles a symbol seen in WoD:



It is, though, somewhat different. It rotates in the opposite direction, and this one doesn't have that loop at the core like the roadmap symbol does.

Still, interesting.

I think it's WoD Remix. All in on that one.

Unless... maybe...

...playable Ogres.

[Enrif]

I dont think you get what I mean.

Garrisons as a feauture and how it was executed can still be fresh in peoples mind. The key word here is: limited.

well, people were bumped out about covenants, but blizzard did with renown pretty good. People were bumped out with faction restrictions in BfA, but we have since got more and more cross faction stuff. Just because something 10 years ago sucked is not a reason to think something else that is similar will suck too. Or else no iteration will be ever good.

[Alanar]

A home, man. It's a feature that doesn't “serve” a purpose (because apparently some players can't see that everything doesn't have to be linked to the player's power in some way) apart from being an additional element of customization.

And customization is the most important part of any video game, and even more so in R(ole)P(laying)G(ame). But some people tend to forget these last letters.

And then there are the “perks” of owning a house, like an extra free TP at the location of your choice and little things like that.

Exactly, the point is that not everyone cares for housing.
Tine will tell how usefull or fun this is, but I consider it a niche group whos into decorations for a house. It seems like a massive project for such a group.

[Dracullus]

I think it's WoD Remix. All in on that one.

Unless... maybe...

...playable Ogres.

Maybe they thought WoD Remix is not big enough and we will have Legion right after, hence symbol from WoD going into fel green bar. They are 2 most connected expacs before Saga after all.

[Kiivar86]

I think it's WoD Remix. All in on that one.

Unless... maybe...

...playable Ogres.

I've been leaning toward WoD remix too, but that's also because I really want that. I don't like the idea of skipping it for Legion. WoD had its problems but I think a condense, Remix experience would be quite nice, and there's a good amount of stuff that can be put out item wise like MoP.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Exactly, the point is that not everyone cares for housing.
Tine will tell how usefull or fun this is, but I consider it a niche group whos into decorations for a house. It seems like a massive project for such a group.

Well, if you're not interested, no one's forcing you to decorate your home. I mean, I never raid and I don't complain about seeing them in every extension. It's like tmog, if you don't like it nobody's forcing you to do it lol.
I don't get your point.

[Zardas]

I consider it a niche group whos into decorations for a house. It seems like a massive project for such a group.

And what is your source for this consideration ? Why would wow playerbase be so different from other mmorpgs playerbase, even the ones very close to wow in terms of gameplay ?

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

And what is your source for this consideration ? Why would wow playerbase be so different from other mmorpgs playerbase, even the ones very close to wow in terms of gameplay ?

It's just another “I'm not the target audience for this, so it's a waste of resource”. - WoW player moment.

[Alanar]

Well, if you're not interested, no one's forcing you to decorate your home. I mean, I never raid and I don't complain about seeing them in every extension. It's like tmog, if you don't like it nobody's forcing you to do it lol.
I don't get your point.

Its really not hard. You also anwsered the question yourself what the point is. Like tmog or what ever. Playerbase is diverse. Like I said not everyone cares about this feauture.

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It's just another “I'm not the target audience for this, so it's a waste of resource”. - WoW player moment.

Its kinda weird to say that. Basically saying your opinion doesnt matter. If you are on the other side of the opinion, its easy to say that.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Its really not hard. You also anwsered the question yourself what the point is. Like tmog or what ever. Playerbase is diverse. Like I said housing is not for everyone.

The argument really isn't about who player housing is for and not for, or who it benefits.

One side of the argument is making the point of (1.) it being a huge undertaking, and (2.) for something so minimal: both of these points are not really objectively true, as we do not know how easy or hard it is for Blizzard to do this. We won't know until either closer to it's implementation or after.

People end up trying to convince the other side it is pointless, or worthless, or a waste of time, for reasons that are generally based on opinions on it.


EDIT: Looking at Blizzard in a historical sense certainly helps perspectives for their future endeavours, but its still speculation at best.

[Alanar]

well, people were bumped out about covenants, but blizzard did with renown pretty good. People were bumped out with faction restrictions in BfA, but we have since got more and more cross faction stuff. Just because something 10 years ago sucked is not a reason to think something else that is similar will suck too. Or else no iteration will be ever good.

That might be so, but that doesnt mean a similar kind of idea in Garrisons has been forgotten by players. We know blizz likes the restrictions or set places for things to out on. I am skeptical about this being different. Your examples dont really help with that. I think many share the same feeling, in fact I have seen this view many times already.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Its really not hard. You also anwsered the question yourself what the point is. Like tmog or what ever. Playerbase is diverse. Like I said not everyone cares about this feauture.

And you said it was a problem because it was a big project for a “minority” of people according to you. It's only a problem for you, finally. So yes, it's just another “I'm not the target audience for this, so it's a waste of resource” moment.

[Alanar]

The argument really isn't about who player housing is for and not for, or who it benefits.

One side of the argument is making the point of (1.) it being a huge undertaking, and (2.) for something so minimal: both of these points are not really objectively true, as we do not know how easy or hard it is for Blizzard to do this. We won't know until either closer to it's implementation or after.

People end up trying to convince the other side it is pointless, or worthless, or a waste of time, for reasons that are generally based on opinions on it.

I am really not here to convince people this will suck or what ever. The main theme here I am saying, is that people are skeptical, with previous exprience. I think that is fair.

There is an obvious group who was clearly waiting for this and are beforwhand excited about this. Thats fine, but that doesnt mean everyone shares that excitement.

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And you said it was a problem because it was a big project for a “minority” of people according to you. It's only a problem for you, finally. So yes, it's just another “I'm not the target audience for this, so it's a waste of resource” moment.

Again, I quoted and responded to you already, So I am just going to say this same thing, cus you are just saying the same thing.

Its kinda weird to say that. Basically saying your opinion doesnt matter. If you are on the other side of the opinion, its easy to say that. You are clearly on the other side, which is fine. Not making an issue over that, but you got to understand that people are skeptical or simply not interested.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

One of the bronze rewards in WoD remix should be the garrison sets that you had to farm the scraps for.

They have armor types attached to them instead of cosmetic still, so you can't use frostwolf set on a warrior.

[Alanar]

One of the bronze rewards in WoD remix should be the garrison sets that you had to farm the scraps for.

They have armor types attached to them instead of cosmetic still, so you can't use frostwolf set on a warrior.

Well, I think its still treated as cloth/leather etc. Altho being cosmetic. Warrior wont be able to use the cloth set etc.
I actually thought they loosen up those restrictions? Been ages and never really paid much attention to those.

More options are always welcome I guess.

[Khaza-R]

The triangle symbol seems so obscure of a reference to WoD, but who knows.

If it were released in December. Pre-patch Jan and Midnight in Feb. That would be shorter than MoP remix. But I guess WoD is shorter too so it tracks.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Well, I think its still treated as cloth/leather etc. Altho being cosmetic. Warrior wont be able to use the cloth set etc.
I actually thought they loosen up those restrictions? Been ages and never really paid much attention to those.

More options are always welcome I guess.

Sadly only Stormwind guard and grunt sets are cosmetics and every class can use them, all others are still tied to armor type, like frostwolf leather, warsong mail etc.

[Kiivar86]

It is a stretch but another thing the roadmap symbol kinda reminds me of is a simplified drawing of Oshu'gun.