The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

You both were baiting First Ones guy, don't you. And you know what, it worked.

Kind of douchey of you to say, no?

[Jolly Roger]

I asked Dave Kosak about it on Bsky, and he said this: "I think it was an idea in our back pocket that may or may not see the "light" of day. Obviously we decided not to print it in the final."

So there was something planned, but it was never put in the final cosmology chart. It's up to Blizzard on whether or not they want to continue with the idea of something above the Naaru.

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Oh...

I just thought it was meant to be the new Hearthstone for housing.

thats all it was
the symbol twitter said it was similar to BARELY matched
it had lines yes but they were reversed
the edges again barely a thing

[FossilFree]

Someone on twitter found out that the rune shape was very similar to a pedophile symbol, they may have changed for that.

You mean the one the nazis used in concentration camps? Yea, not a great argument there buckeroo.

[Sondrelk]

So the newest interview does seem to soft confirm Legion Remix at the end of the roadmap, as indicated by the fel green.

[Nymrohd]

Damn I will play Legion Remix like crazy.
Will be interesting to see what they choose to do with Mage Tower.
And will be really interested to see how they handle player power; Legion already had numerous systems after all that went well above what MoP remix added with those gems.

[Sondrelk]

Damn I will play Legion Remix like crazy.
Will be interesting to see what they choose to do with Mage Tower.
And will be really interested to see how they handle player power; Legion already had numerous systems after all that went well above what MoP remix added with those gems.

I could see Mage Tower just plain not being available. For one thing it would be similar to there not being Challenge Mode dungeons in MoP remix. But also the challenge is kinda lessened by being able to massively outgear it.

[Nymrohd]

I could see Mage Tower just plain not being available. For one thing it would be similar to there not being Challenge Mode dungeons in MoP remix. But also the challenge is kinda lessened by being able to massively outgear it.

You could massively outgear it for much of Legion too though. I know some of the challenges on alts I only did them by outgearing them (subtlety was the last of the 36 for me).
I don't really have any skin in the game since I already have them all but I wouldn't mind them being available again.

[Makabreska]

TBH, Legion had so many game systems accumulated over it's expansion cycle that all they need to do is to make them all available from the get go and ease the grind. No cloak/gems required, really.

[Sondrelk]

You could massively outgear it for much of Legion too though. I know some of the challenges on alts I only did them by outgearing them (subtlety was the last of the 36 for me).

True. But there is a pretty big difference between outgearing the challenge by being 50% more powerful after a year. And outgearing it by being 500% more powerful after two weeks.
I could kinda see them adding it. But in that case more as a concession towards giving players another chance at the appearances, rather than as a challenge.

I am more so curious what kind of gimmick they would add. Or whether it's just going to be MoP Remix again, except on the Broken Isles. It's definitely an option, and Legion did lend itself exceptionally well to playing loads of alts quickly. But it would be almost a bit of a letdown if it's just MoP Remix again. Even if I really appreciate being able to get all the transmog sets available on all alts. Including the missing pieces from the Leather sets.
Maybe there would be some new recolours of the Artifact Weapon given that seems likely as the new cloak equivalent given Artifact Weapons' importance in Legion.

My guess for Mage Tower, assuming it's simply not there. Is that there will be a specific achievement linked to it. Maybe the Meta achievement for Broken Shore, and it unlocks an ensemble or transmog set, similar to the class specific stuff in MoP.

[Nymrohd]

TBH, Legion had so many game systems accumulated over it's expansion cycle that all they need to do is to make them all available from the get go and ease the grind. No cloak/gems required, really.

Pretty much. Just let people accrue Artifact Power instead of power for their cloaks and add the +XP/Bronze effects there. And ofc keep the legendary vendor in.

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True. But there is a pretty big difference between outgearing the challenge by being 50% more powerful after a year. And outgearing it by being 500% more powerful after two weeks.
I could kinda see them adding it. But in that case more as a concession towards giving players another chance at the appearances, rather than as a challenge.

I am more so curious what kind of gimmick they would add. Or whether it's just going to be MoP Remix again, except on the Broken Isles. It's definitely an option, and Legion did lend itself exceptionally well to playing loads of alts quickly. But it would be almost a bit of a letdown if it's just MoP Remix again. Even if I really appreciate being able to get all the transmog sets available on all alts. Including the missing pieces from the Leather sets.
Maybe there would be some new recolours of the Artifact Weapon given that seems likely as the new cloak equivalent given Artifact Weapons' importance in Legion.

My guess for Mage Tower, assuming it's simply not there. Is that there will be a specific achievement linked to it. Maybe the Meta achievement for Broken Shore, and it unlocks an ensemble or transmog set, similar to the class specific stuff in MoP.

A fifth color for each artifact variant would be an amazing addition.

[Dracullus]

Damn I will play Legion Remix like crazy.
Will be interesting to see what they choose to do with Mage Tower.
And will be really interested to see how they handle player power; Legion already had numerous systems after all that went well above what MoP remix added with those gems.

Mage Tower is evergreen already, no need for that in Remix. Only thing to do with it is just giving Artifact skins for people who did new version, because it's same challenge if not harder than 7.3/7.3.5 times. And I'm talking as someone who did 36/36 back in Legion.

Personally I would prefer new MT scaling content to me rather than my char to old content (similar how they changed timewalking this patch), but I guess it would create extra tuning work every season, and only "thanks" from community would be uproar from people collecting legacy bis items.

[Sondrelk]

TBH, Legion had so many game systems accumulated over it's expansion cycle that all they need to do is to make them all available from the get go and ease the grind. No cloak/gems required, really.

So much of it was tied to the Artifacts though. And while you can still use the Artifacts, they are just regular stat sticks with fancy appearances. Similarly the Legiondaries have associated effects mostly linked to abilities that may or may not be relevant to the classes anymore.
In thinking about it, there isnt really a whole lot of the gameplay systems present in Legion that really work within the existing framework of Remix that we are aware of. Artifact weapons could still be upgraded the same way, but the abilities it offers are obsolete unless they completely remake them to fit the current classes. (Not to mention Evokers don't even have one). And Legiondaries were also designed with the classes at the time in mind. And even if you remade them to fit the existing classes, with the way Remix works you would have to lean heavily into the RNG for them to not just end up a stat stick you buy almost immediately.

Will be interesting to see how it works. But I definitely think there needs to be some extra thought put into it to make it as exciting as MoP Remix was. Hopefully a heavier emphasis on extra abilities like the Meta gems.

All the transmog will be great though. And I am really curious whether they will make new weapon appearances, just add a new tint, or simply not do anything to the Artifacts at all beyond being the most likely candidate for the Cloak of Infinite Scaling treatment. (Though honestly, I could easily see the Bronze Dragonflight giving us their own unique Artifact, which easily sidesteps stuff like getting all three Artifacts for different specs, or Evokers not having any Artifacts at all.)

[Hitei]

TBH, Legion had so many game systems accumulated over it's expansion cycle that all they need to do is to make them all available from the get go and ease the grind. No cloak/gems required, really.

Pretty much. Just let people accrue Artifact Power instead of power for their cloaks and add the +XP/Bronze effects there. And ofc keep the legendary vendor in.

The cloak and gems are what carried MoP remix. Why would you want to remove them? This is textbook fixing shit that aint broken.

[Eldryth]

I could see Mage Tower just plain not being available. For one thing it would be similar to there not being Challenge Mode dungeons in MoP remix. But also the challenge is kinda lessened by being able to massively outgear it.

Iirc the lack of Challenge Mode sets (and the raid mount) was something a lot of people criticized about MoP Remix, so I'd like to hope that they listen to that feedback and handle Mage Tower differently. It would be great to have another chance to earn all those skins since I wasn't too active at the time.

Could even scale you to it like the current Mage Tower if outgearing it is a concern, but like others said, the original could be outgeared anyway.

[Sondrelk]

Mage Tower is evergreen already, no need for that in Remix. Only thing to do with it is just giving Artifact skins for people who did new version, because it's same challenge if not harder than 7.3/7.3.5 times. And I'm talking as someone who did 36/36 back in Legion.

Personally I would prefer new MT scaling content to me rather than my char to old content (similar how they changed timewalking this patch), but I guess it would create extra tuning work every season, and only "thanks" from community would be uproar from people collecting legacy bis items.

Honestly, in thinking about it. I am going to guess they are going to do what I said above. Just bank on the Mage Tower challenge being really easy. Put it as one of the 3/5 achievements you need for Broken Shore content. And have that give a Class weapon ensemble or something, as a nod to the original Mage Tower giving the challenge appearance.

Making the Mage Tower in hopes that it will be an actual challenge is kinda doomed to fail. Because players will either massively outgear it given enough patience. Or will struggle, and become frustrated with the prospect of having to do it on every class, or worse, every spec within 2 or 3 months the event is ongoing.

[Nymrohd]

So much of it was tied to the Artifacts though. And while you can still use the Artifacts, they are just regular stat sticks with fancy appearances. Similarly the Legiondaries have associated effects mostly linked to abilities that may or may not be relevant to the classes anymore.
In thinking about it, there isnt really a whole lot of the gameplay systems present in Legion that really work within the existing framework of Remix that we are aware of. Artifact weapons could still be upgraded the same way, but the abilities it offers are obsolete unless they completely remake them to fit the current classes. (Not to mention Evokers don't even have one). And Legiondaries were also designed with the classes at the time in mind. And even if you remade them to fit the existing classes, with the way Remix works you would have to lean heavily into the RNG for them to not just end up a stat stick you buy almost immediately.

Will be interesting to see how it works. But I definitely think there needs to be some extra thought put into it to make it as exciting as MoP Remix was. Hopefully a heavier emphasis on extra abilities like the Meta gems.

All the transmog will be great though. And I am really curious whether they will make new weapon appearances, just add a new tint, or simply not do anything to the Artifacts at all beyond being the most likely candidate for the Cloak of Infinite Scaling treatment. (Though honestly, I could easily see the Bronze Dragonflight giving us their own unique Artifact, which easily sidesteps stuff like getting all three Artifacts for different specs, or Evokers not having any Artifacts at all.)

You could replace the cloak with artifact weapons I guess?

[Sondrelk]

Iirc the lack of Challenge Mode sets (and the raid mount) was something a lot of people criticized about MoP Remix, so I'd like to hope that they listen to that feedback and handle Mage Tower differently. It would be great to have another chance to earn all those skins since I wasn't too active at the time.

Could even scale you to it like the current Mage Tower if outgearing it is a concern, but like others said, the original could be outgeared anyway.

Scaling players to it and locking a unique appearance behind it is probably even worse. Because you would both annoy players by not letting them be OP in the gamemode that appeals to players who want to be OP. But you would also annoy everyone who now feels the massive time crunch having to do all the challenges before Remix goes away again. And even assuming just 3-4 days levelling a new character, you would still be looking at a solid month and a half at least, just getting all the classes ready, not to mention having to learn the rotation enough to beat the challenge fair and square.

Of course, they could also just make it so you immeiately gain all the appearances if you beat it just once. But even then they would probably just allow players to outgear it and treat getting the appearances as a nice treat for the players who want them.

[Joshuaj]

Skipping WoD kinda hurts ngl. But I can see why they didn't do it.

[Sondrelk]

Skipping WoD kinda hurts ngl. But I can see why they didn't do it.

Yeah. It's a shame losing out on the good stuff from WoD. But there isn't really any way to argue away that the expansion simply didn't have enough content to really fill out three months worth of Remix. No matter what tricks they pulled.

Maybe if the one day make a shorter Remix for a Twisting Timeways event like they are planning to do in 11.0.7. just have a shirt WoD Remix going alongside just to say they have done it, and allow players the benefits of quick levels and all the different transmog.

[Joshuaj]

Yeah. It's a shame losing out on the good stuff from WoD. But there isn't really any way to argue away that the expansion simply didn't have enough content to really fill out three months worth of Remix. No matter what tricks they pulled.

Maybe if the one day make a shorter Remix for a Twisting Timeways event like they are planning to do in 11.0.7. just have a shirt WoD Remix going alongside just to say they have done it, and allow players the benefits of quick levels and all the different transmog.

Kinda wished that could be their way of BSing Farahlon in LOOOL

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Ik that can't happen, but man lemme dream!