The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

since Gallywix had Azerite on his staff before the sword, the gold and blue hue of it is not from whatever sargeras did.

So, Then why is Azerite gold and blue, but the Beledar only golden and turns purple, not blue. Which should mean, they are not the same. But, they can still be related.

We know of the origin story of the universe from chronicles. Sure, titan pov yadda yadda. But, the shards of light that started all life could still be a true thing. So, where do worldsouls come from in the first place? According to that story, maybe every world soul IS a shard of light. But don't light turn to shadow automatically? Like the Beledar

This is actually incorrect. In its inactive state, Azerite fades to, and stays, blood red. The way Gallywix knew that the sword and azerite were suddenly going to be a massive deal was because his cane top (and the rest of the small initial Goblin supply from Kezan) was energized and turned back to gold after the Sword, when the azerite began to surge.

[Worldshaper]

If Life controls Azeroth, civilization wouldn't be possible, you would get your life choked out by vines and uncontrollable growths (see the Sporemound in Draenor). If you are even allowed to die and not just shamble around as a overgrown corpse.

If Light controls Azeroth, it's all good, you thrive, as long as you adhere to the Light's will. If you stray from that path, you are free to be hunted down.

If Order controls Azeroth, the titans can just go back to there Order, eradicate all new life and re-establish their robotic heritage.

Yeah, Void, Chaos and Death clearly can be seen as more chaotic, but it remains to be seen what Chaos even is without Sargeras at the helm twisting it's nature. Death is actually rather orderly and apart from Zovaal, could actually be seen as a rather benevolent force in the grand scheme of things. While the void at it's extreme end is just nothingness and madness, it also encourages to question order and the status quo.

It's just a very surface level observation, because we have already seen the Worst of what Chaos, Death and the Void have to "offer", while what Light, Life and Order have done are either way in the past, or just "background noise" (Like the Light basically glassing AU Draenor).

The Emerald Dream we see is just like a tamed version of it's true form. A book in 10.2 reports, that Waves of "joy and contentment" washed over a druid who came close to the edges of the dream, before falling asleep. It could be that this is similar to the madness that people who deal with the void experience.

Yes, you are both correct in saying that 100% Light/Life/Order probably would end up bad for us.

I should have been more nuanced in my response. My point was that those three are still better in, let's call it abundance, than the rest.

For example, you very rarely see Disorder, Death, or Shadow be forces for good. I suppose Alleria can be touted as an example, and Illidan, as well as the playable characters. But even them, it's still very apparent that the forces behind these characters are bad. They're going against the grain, swimming upstream, and angering the people in charge, as it were.

You don't see Turalyon constantly being lured by the Light to massacre his family.

You don't see Mages turn bad in the name of Order. When they do become too power-hungry, they turn into Warloxks and instead use Fel and Shadow magic.

You don't see Malfurion or Ysera turning insane over the idea that Life should control everything or cause any suffering. They seem more concerned with making sure Life is allowed to survive, and thrive in their own little corners of Azeroth.

So yeah, I'm fully aboard with the idea that any force can turn dangerous for Azeroth's mortals when left unchecked (see Yrel, Xe'ra, Botani, etc). But only three forces seem to have this inherent malice about them, and you know it's bad news whenever they show up.

I guess you could argue Death is more benevolent without the Jailer around, we'll see what happens with that.

[MauroDiogo]

I cannot help but think of the book WoW: Traveler as I've mention on this thread before because of all the similarities found in it to what's going on right now in TWW.

The book has Greydon Thorne, a human tasked with protecting a very powerful Naaru because that same Naaru is protecting ALL OF AZEROTH from an event called the Darkstorm.
There were attempts to corrupt Azeroth by Void and Burning Legion forces, and it was the Naaru that kept all of that at bay.

Greydon Thorne is guided by the "Voice of Light" to a compass that is made up of Naaru shards that resonate with other and potentially much bigger Naaru crystals.

He is told to gather the shards to form the Diamond Blade. An artifact of legend that will be used to protect Azeroth from the Darkstorm.

He is then taken to the Outlands by a sect of the Burning Legion called the Hidden.

Fast forward and then we have his son, also being guided by this Radiant voice to use the compass and gather the shards to create the Diamond Blade. While in Feralas, the compass points to the East and South East (where Beledar would be).

The Darkstorm is described as being a void/cosmic entity that swallows up anything and needs to constantly be fed.
It's described as a small, purple, void-looking, mass with lights/stars in it (Exactly what we see inside the Dark heart).

If allowed to do it's "thing" it will consume Azeroth and plunge it into complete darkness.

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I cannot help but feel like this mirrors what's going on a bit too much and that Beledar might have been here before the Titans found Azeroth. So they probably lied yet again about it being Azeroth's essence when it could be Naaru in nature and exactly what's shielding Azeroth from corrupting forces and why Xal'atath is trying to corrupt the crystal. If she succeeds then... Shield down. Leading to the Darkstorm (Which sounds an awful lot like Midnight).

[Jaggler]

Yes, you are both correct in saying that 100% Light/Life/Order probably would end up bad for us.

I should have been more nuanced in my response. My point was that those three are still better in, let's call it abundance, than the rest.

For example, you very rarely see Disorder, Death, or Shadow be forces for good. I suppose Alleria can be touted as an example, and Illidan, as well as the playable characters. But even them, it's still very apparent that the forces behind these characters are bad. They're going against the grain, swimming upstream, and angering the people in charge, as it were.

You don't see Turalyon constantly being lured by the Light to massacre his family.

You don't see Mages turn bad in the name of Order. When they do become too power-hungry, they turn into Warloxks and instead use Fel and Shadow magic.

You don't see Malfurion or Ysera turning insane over the idea that Life should control everything or cause any suffering. They seem more concerned with making sure Life is allowed to survive, and thrive in their own little corners of Azeroth.

So yeah, I'm fully aboard with the idea that any force can turn dangerous for Azeroth's mortals when left unchecked (see Yrel, Xe'ra, Botani, etc). But only three forces seem to have this inherent malice about them, and you know it's bad news whenever they show up.

I guess you could argue Death is more benevolent without the Jailer around, we'll see what happens with that.

As I said I think part of it is that we already saw the worst the Void, Chaos and Death have to offer. But they are also needed opposites to they "good" counterparts if you want to say that.

If you want creation, you need destruction to make room for new things.

If you want life, you need death otherwise soon enough nothing will have room to grow.

If you want the order of the Light you need dissent to evolve, change and adapt to new challenges.

[Hitei]

For example, you very rarely see Disorder, Death, or Shadow be forces for good. I suppose Alleria can be touted as an example, and Illidan, as well as the playable characters. But even them, it's still very apparent that the forces behind these characters are bad. They're going against the grain, swimming upstream, and angering the people in charge, as it were.

You don't see Turalyon constantly being lured by the Light to massacre his family.

You don't see Mages turn bad in the name of Order. When they do become too power-hungry, they turn into Warloxks and instead use Fel and Shadow magic.

You don't see Malfurion or Ysera turning insane over the idea that Life should control everything or cause any suffering. They seem more concerned with making sure Life is allowed to survive, and thrive in their own little corners of Azeroth.

So yeah, I'm fully aboard with the idea that any force can turn dangerous for Azeroth's mortals when left unchecked (see Yrel, Xe'ra, Botani, etc). But only three forces seem to have this inherent malice about them, and you know it's bad news whenever they show up.

A lot of double-standards going on here. You can't write off singular examples of good people in three of the forces as not counting for the whole, and then attempt to provide singular examples of good people in the other three (including mages, who are barely even "Order") as examples of why the other three are generally okay.

I don't see Turalyon being constantly lured to massacre his family, true. But I saw the Scarlet Crusade, Yrel's Lightbound, and the Adherents of Rukhmar, commit kingdom or planet-wide genocide, create experimental child-weapons, and raze entire villages of non-combatants in the name of the Light. I've seen Naaru attempt to forcibly enslave people, and the Light literally glass a whole region in another plane because they learned someone tried to spy on them.

I don't see mages turn bad in the name of order, but I see the Titans going from world to world, wiping out, enslaving or subjugating the native inhabitants, carving up the entire planet surface to match their aesthetic senses and passing research interests. I see them fitting the planet equivalent of a bomb collar onto a world soul in case things don't go their way and they need to casually, auto-vaporize an entire world and all life on it. I see even trace order magic outright brainwashing people into soldiers.

I don't see Malfurion or a dragon who spends most of her time asleep turning insane--because instead Life itself literally reality warps the surrounding terrain any time the Emerald Dream leaks, spawning rampant lashers, thorns and deadly vines. I see Elementals, the primordial form of Life on most worlds, turning entire planets into warzones in their bid for conquest and power, and Life without a force opposing it turning into parasitic overgrowth that could swallow entire planets.

You're quick to write off Illidan, ignoring the entire faction of fel-infused demonic Shivarra standing at his back, fighting the Legion across worlds for the good of all, at the cost of their own lives. You single out Alleria, but ignore the Arakkoa Outcasts, using shadow benevolently to defend, hide and protect their people from genocide, or the Shadowmoon who existed peacefully as shadow and void users until the Iron Horde convinced them to go on the aggressive, or the Auchenai who have used shadow and death magic alongside Light for centuries to protect the spirits of their dead.


Order only "lacks inherent malice" because it's already conquered the entire planet and left. If the game were set in the Black Empire, or the Titans didn't arrive until today, you'd currently be fighting endless stone legions while Aman'thul crushed capital cities to remove any pushback. Life and Light only lack inherent malice because, on azeroth, there are too many other forces constantly beating them back to make a play.

[Worldshaper]

I cannot help but think of the book WoW: Traveler as I've mention on this thread before because of all the similarities found in it to what's going on right now in TWW.

The book has Greydon Thorne, a human tasked with protecting a very powerful Naaru because that same Naaru is protecting ALL OF AZEROTH from an event called the Darkstorm.
There were attempts to corrupt Azeroth by Void and Burning Legion forces, and it was the Naaru that kept all of that at bay.

Greydon Thorne is guided by the "Voice of Light" to a compass that is made up of Naaru shards that resonate with other and potentially much bigger Naaru crystals.

He is told to gather the shards to form the Diamond Blade. An artifact of legend that will be used to protect Azeroth from the Darkstorm.

He is then taken to the Outlands by a sect of the Burning Legion called the Hidden.

Fast forward and then we have his son, also being guided by this Radiant voice to use the compass and gather the shards to create the Diamond Blade. While in Feralas, the compass points to the East and South East (where Beledar would be).

The Darkstorm is described as being a void/cosmic entity that swallows up anything and needs to constantly be fed.
It's described as a small, purple, void-looking, mass with lights/stars in it (Exactly what we see inside the Dark heart).

If allowed to do it's "thing" it will consume Azeroth and plunge it into complete darkness.

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I cannot help but feel like this mirrors what's going on a bit too much and that Beledar might have been here before the Titans found Azeroth. So they probably lied yet again about it being Azeroth's essence when it could be Naaru in nature and exactly what's shielding Azeroth from corrupting forces and why Xal'atath is trying to corrupt the crystal. If she succeeds then... Shield down. Leading to the Darkstorm (Which sounds an awful lot like Midnight).

Hehe, reminds me of my fake Voidstorm leak.

Anyway, I like the correlation and it sounds plausible. Lots of lore has come from all over the Warcraft franchise, even Hearthstone.

I would love the idea of some type of ancient guardian watching over Azeroth for aeons.

Crazy idea but imagine if Elune is the Naaru, and she's been doing her best from her location to influence things on Azeroth.

By having Elun'Ahir nearby she might be able to tap into the Emerald Dream, and the proximity to the worldsoul could be why she was able to swim in the Well of Eternity, since it was liquid azerite.

Might also be why she annoys Xal'atath so much. If she was there from the start, acting as a final bulwark to protect the worldsoul.

Might not explain why there's an "Elunaria" planet, though, or why the White Lady is seen as Elune.

[Rootsbum]

These new information is... interesting.

First things first. There is no confirmation that the Beledar is some calcification, it was a question asked by Dagran.

But let's look back, When we were in Hallowfall with Anduin he remarked that the light crystals used by the Arathi are similar to Azerite, but not quite the same. Anduin had Azerite in hand when it first appeared, so he should notice if it is the same (the vison of power to create and destroy he got when touching it). Next, we know from Gallywix that the tip of his staff, was azerite, and since Gallywix had Azerite on his staff before the sword, the gold and blue hue of it is not from whatever sargeras did.

So, Then why is Azerite gold and blue, but the Beledar only golden and turns purple, not blue. Which should mean, they are not the same. But, they can still be related.

We know of the origin story of the universe from chronicles. Sure, titan pov yadda yadda. But, the shards of light that started all life could still be a true thing. So, where do worldsouls come from in the first place? According to that story, maybe every world soul IS a shard of light. But don't light turn to shadow automatically? Like the Beledar?

Well, not all Shadow is the same. With TWW we saw some very interesting color choices for some things. Old god shadow is purple-magenta colored, so more into the red spectrum. While Xal'atahts shadow is more pure purple and less red. But then we also have cosmic voids shadow, which is distinctively blue. We can see that perfectly in these icons for some crafting materials. Also note the names given to these icons.

inv_nullstone_shadow


inv_nullstone_void


inv_nullstone_cosmicvoid


So. What if, world souls, are shards of light, but alsoww void? This would perfectly explain the color of azerite of being gold for light, and blue for cosmic void. So, how does the Beledar fit in here? The beledar might also be a shard of light, but a smaller one. And a smaller shard might not be able to turn into a world soul, but the next best thing, Naaru. Naaru, we know, communicate in song like fashion. Like the Radiant Song. We also know, that Elune is supposedly the "mother" of the prime naaru. Now, Elune is always connected to the moon, and also seems to have a shadow side. This all could be connected. The bigger the shard of light, the more powerful a being is. Perhaps Elune is from a bigger shard of light, but not quite a world soul. This let's me think of a hierarchy of power which could explain a few things, but others are still open and need more information.
[LIST][*]Prime Shard of Light - Prime World Soul - Azeroth[*]World Shard of Light - World Soul - Titans, Argus, Sargers[*]Moon Shard of Light - ??? - Elune[*]Star Shard of Light - ??? - Beledar (same or above Prime Naaru?)[*]Mayor Shard of Light - Prime Naaru - X'era[*]Minor Shard of Light - Naaru - A'dal and .

Oh bummer, tried not to quote to big , but on a small phone .

Anyways; Have they always divised shadow, void and cosmic void?
I wish my priest could go back to pink shadow and less voidy

[Worldshaper]

A lot of double-standards going on here. You can't write off singular examples of good people in three of the forces as not counting for the whole, and then attempt to provide singular examples of good people in the other three (including mages, who are barely even "Order") as examples of why the other three are generally okay.

I don't see Turalyon being constantly lured to massacre his family, true. But I saw the Scarlet Crusade, Yrel's Lightbound, and the Adherents of Rukhmar, commit kingdom or planet-wide genocide, create experimental child-weapons, and raze entire villages of non-combatants in the name of the Light. I've seen Naaru attempt to forcibly enslave people, and the Light literally glass a whole region in another plane because they learned someone tried to spy on them.

I don't see mages turn bad in the name of order, but I see the Titans going from world to world, wiping out, enslaving or subjugating the native inhabitants, carving up the entire planet surface to match their aesthetic senses and passing research interests. I see them fitting the planet equivalent of a bomb collar onto a world soul in case things don't go their way and they need to casually, auto-vaporize an entire world and all life on it. I see even trace order magic outright brainwashing people into soldiers.

I don't see Malfurion or a dragon who spends most of her time asleep turning insane--because instead Life itself literally reality warps the surrounding terrain any time the Emerald Dream leaks, spawning rampant lashers, thorns and deadly vines. I see Elementals, the primordial form of Life on most worlds, turning entire planets into warzones in their bid for conquest and power, and Life without a force opposing it turning into parasitic overgrowth that could swallow entire planets.

You're quick to write off Illidan, ignoring the entire faction of fel-infused demonic Shivarra standing at his back, fighting the Legion across worlds for the good of all, at the cost of their own lives. You single out Alleria, but ignore the Arakkoa Outcasts, using shadow benevolently to defend, hide and protect their people from genocide, or the Shadowmoon who existed peacefully as shadow and void users until the Iron Horde convinced them to go on the aggressive, or the Auchenai who have used shadow and death magic alongside Light for centuries to protect the spirits of their dead.


Order only "lacks inherent malice" because it's already conquered the entire planet and left. If the game were set in the Black Empire, or the Titans didn't arrive until today, you'd currently be fighting endless stone legions while Aman'thul crushed capital cities to remove any pushback. Life and Light only lack inherent malice because, on azeroth, there are too many other forces constantly beating them back to make a play.

I see your point, but I think I've already made my case.

The Titans are robotic, and they do sometimes view us as ants (Eonar being a notable exception). But they create.

They preserve. They do follow a grand design, true, and they are unlikely to stop in their tracks to avoid stepping on a bug.

But there's no Titan going "Muahaha, I will destroy this world for funsies. Let evil prevail!"

Because if they do, as we all know, they're suddenly no longer a being of Order. See Sargeras.

The Void seems to be all about that, though, as does Disorder and (sort of) Death. It's all about corruption, unmaking, defiling, destruction, etc.

[Nathanyel]

While I don't think your explanation is illogical or anything, I do think it's way too convoluted to be the likely answer.

Maybe. Sure, I expanded upon my theories, but I see the premises as Occam's Razors, making more sense (or at least being more interesting) than "everything in the Light is Naaru".

[Enrif]

This is actually incorrect. In its inactive state, Azerite fades to, and stays, blood red. The way Gallywix knew that the sword and azerite were suddenly going to be a massive deal was because his cane top (and the rest of the small initial Goblin supply from Kezan) was energized and turned back to gold after the Sword, when the azerite began to surge.

i had the innate red azerite first too in that paragraph, but decided to remove it. Why did Gallywix azerite turned from gold-blue to red, and then again from red to gold-blue? I don't think we ever had an answer for that. And i couldn't find a good reason, even when i tried to fit in.

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Oh bummer, tried not to quote to big , but on a small phone .

Anyways; Have they always divised shadow, void and cosmic void?
I wish my priest could go back to pink shadow and less voidy

Not in a way we see it in TWW. They started in DF with Sarkareht raid. But these colors are new for TWW and the cosmic void colors match the void effects used in Plunderstorm and what alleria is using.

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Oh!, that is a fascinating bit of lore info most will not have. But than again, blizz used books to have some lore stuff that never went anywhere. There was a human druid in the stormrage book for example.

[Hugnomo]

I feel like they have put a lot of emphasis on how the 6 cosmic forces have many, many variations in the ways they interconnect. For example, the sacred flame being both light and arcane. But there's many other smaller examples, like elementals in the isle of dorn being a mix of earth and water.

I feel like they might use this concept to justify the different shades of void/shadow we've been getting. The pinkish old god void being some intersection with life/death, since they are all about flesh and the originators of the curse of flesh (and the mortality that came with it). The true purple being pure void. And the cosmic void being an intersection of void and order?

I don't know, but I do think that this idea that they came up with does lend itself to explain a lot of variation, while also providing a lot of potential for new lore.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I'm confused: why are people claiming that we would be "ok" if one or 2 of the cosmic forces held dominion over Azeroth?

We, quite literally, have the lore established of all of the cosmic forces needed to be kept in check. Not one holding more power than the other, as they are all wrestling control against each other.

[MauroDiogo]

Hehe, reminds me of my fake Voidstorm leak.

Anyway, I like the correlation and it sounds plausible. Lots of lore has come from all over the Warcraft franchise, even Hearthstone.

I would love the idea of some type of ancient guardian watching over Azeroth for aeons.

Crazy idea but imagine if Elune is the Naaru, and she's been doing her best from her location to influence things on Azeroth.

By having Elun'Ahir nearby she might be able to tap into the Emerald Dream, and the proximity to the worldsoul could be why she was able to swim in the Well of Eternity, since it was liquid azerite.

Might also be why she annoys Xal'atath so much. If she was there from the start, acting as a final bulwark to protect the worldsoul.

Might not explain why there's an "Elunaria" planet, though, or why the White Lady is seen as Elune.

I completely agree and feel like we might see a link between Elune and the Naaru. She is represented as the Moon but a lot of themes and new lore the last expansions is how there's a duality to a lot of these forces.
One doesn't exist without the other. Void <-> Light
But there must always be Balance between them or the other ceases to exist.

I never researched or theorised too deep into it but at times I have the idea of Xal'Atath working for a dark entity that represents the Dark part of Elune, while the Light and Naaru represent the Light.

At least in two different interviews, Maria Hamilton, makes a comment like "Kind of like a Sun isn't it?" when they are discussing the flora in Hallowfall facing this source of light. Which could be nothing, but I think she interjects just to say that in one of the times? I have to go back and rewatch it.

The same way that in one of the interviews they are talking about Xal'atath being evil and she's like "Is she though?" with a doubting look on her face. But again, it could be just her messing around to makes us question Xal's motives even more. Theorising is fun.

I'm confused: why are people claiming that we would be "ok" if one or 2 of the cosmic forces held dominion over Azeroth?

We, quite literally, have the lore established of all of the cosmic forces needed to be kept in check. Not one holding more power than the other, as they are all wrestling control against each other.

Absolutely. Blizzard has been preparing us over time for this concept. And I think that's the story they are trying to tell with the Titans too.

Everything in moderation. A Balance in all things. And I think this is how the Saga ends. Because at the end Azeroth will most likely not be happy with what the Titans are doing and will reject their mission of enforcing Order/the Arcane on things.

Aman'Thul threw an hissy fit just because Eonar planted a world tree that would (in his eyes) create chaos. Because he saw that as Eonar infusing Azeroth with more Life and it goes against their totalitarian mission of Order above all.

And when you have all these entities trying to corrupt and infuse Azeroth towards their essences/planes, something's bound to burst and say it's enough and push back against it all.
Which is also why I think we might have a "We (players) are all Azeroth" moment towards the end of the Saga after Azeroth helps us push back agains the Titans. And sort of explains why players have all sorts of different classes/powers. It's just the manifestation of all these difference essences Azeroth has been infused with over time, which then get passed onto us in our creation?

Okay, time to go have lunch and take my tinfoil hat off... for now.

PS: All my theorising comes down to one thing - For the sole reason and a very vain attempt at passing the time because I'm way too excited about the prospect of playable Haranir. That's all I'd like from Blizz. I'll be happy with whatever route the Lore goes after that. Even if it turns out this is all just a simulated universe within the Muppets universe or some other bs.
I'll gladly go raid Mythic Kermit the Frog if I could just do it as an Haranir.

[Sondrelk]

I think people are way overthinking the whole thing here. When Archaedas talks about the giant crystals we see one that looks almost exactly like the bottom half of the Beledar.
Obviously there will be some kind of twist to why the Beledar is ligth themed and shifts into shadow like a Naaru. But that doesnt mean it has to be a Naaru ship, or something like that.
It's obviously not just a huge chunk of Azerite, otherwise the crystals would have simply been referred to as Azerite. It is something more than just that, but still something in a similar vein.

I am with whoever said the crystals will be explained as the reason we have Leyline nexuses. All of them will be linked in some fashion, similar to how Azerite worked. And it would explain why Xal'atath seemed to focus on ensuring the Beledar stayed dark, as that would in turn influence all the other crystals around Azeroth, creating an eternal midnight as the magical energies of Azeroth all turn into Shadow.

[Khaza-R]

I'm not so sure on that, the Xenedar split from the Genedar after the Naaru arrive on Argus and leave to rescue Velen and the Draenei from the planet. I don't think it would be possible for it to have been made of chunks of Argus Worldsoul essence because the ship existed (to our knowledge anyway) before arrival on Argus.

Well its crash spawns shards of Argunite that are the same color as the Xenedar and the flavor text reads born from the crash site of the Xenedar on Argus.

So idk, would definitely seem like that's what its made up of to me.

[Kiivar86]

From the point of view of players, I think they could considered better than the three opposing forces.

For one, they haven't sought to destroy and defile as the rest of them do. Instead, they're focused on building things, creation, and beauty.

But their success is also inherently tied to ours.

If Life controls Azeroth, it's all good. We thrive.

If Light controls Azeroth, it's all good. We thrive.

If Order controls Azeroth, it's all good. We thrive.

If Death, Disorder, or Shadow control Azeroth, it becomes a literal hellscape (if it even survives) and everything on it is either corrupt, dead, or suffering.

Now, granted, there's nuance. Order and Light tend to be too controlling and their adherents rather zealous. Sometimes they see us as ants, unimportant in the larger scheme of things. Life can also be rather chaotic in its ambition to spread, as seen with the Botani.

But there's no question that three forces are more destructive.

We see what an Azeroth controlled by Order (and Life at the same time) looks like - Ulderoth, and it sure isn't a good place for us. Its implied mortal beings living to adulthood is "impressive", so that means they tend to die pretty young. Wildlife is noted as being extremely aggressive too, to the point of endangering and harming the watchers.

[Nymrohd]

I think Warcraft Order is more about Civilization than a D&D notion of Law. Titans want everything to have a place in a society moreso than they want blind obedience. They want stable structures.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We see what an Azeroth controlled by Order (and Life at the same time) looks like - Ulderoth, and it sure isn't a good place for us. Its implied mortal beings living to adulthood is "impressive", so that means they tend to die pretty young. Wildlife is noted as being extremely aggressive too, to the point of endangering and harming the watchers.

Given that it only mentions the Yaungol wouldn’t the implication be that we never had the well of eternity and the evolution it brought or the Mogu and the like messing with mortal races.

It could very well be that the timeline is only meant to show that if the titans never messed up with the well and stayed on Azeroth so minions like the Mogu didn’t go rouge mortal life would have never progressed from its most basic stages, which wouldn’t apply to our timeline.

[Nymrohd]

We see what an Azeroth controlled by Order (and Life at the same time) looks like - Ulderoth, and it sure isn't a good place for us. Its implied mortal beings living to adulthood is "impressive", so that means they tend to die pretty young. Wildlife is noted as being extremely aggressive too, to the point of endangering and harming the watchers.

We can also see what an Azeroth controlled by Order looks like by looking at everything that happened up to Tyr's death and Odyn's imprisonment and it was nothing like Ulderoth.

[Kiivar86]

Given that it only mentions the Yaungol wouldn’t the implication be that we never had the well of eternity and the evolution it brought or the Mogu and the like messing with mortal races.

It could very well be that the timeline is only meant to show that if the titans never messed up with the well and stayed on Azeroth so minions like the Mogu didn’t go rouge mortal life would have never progressed from its most basic stages, which wouldn’t apply to our timeline.

Highly possible too yes.

We can also see what an Azeroth controlled by Order looks like by looking at everything that happened up to Tyr's death and Odyn's imprisonment and it was nothing like Ulderoth.

I would argue that that Azeroth was not controlled by Order. Order was taking hold but it obviously wasn't fully in control because of the various events going on with the Old God minions and the like.

Ulderoth meanwhile is explicitly where the titans saw their experiments through to completion. It is an Azeroth completely in the grasp of Order (and Life)