The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Golden Yak]

Here's an idea:

Sargeras as the final boss of 13.1.

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Think of it:

13.0 final boss: Helya or Chromatus.

13.1 final boss: Sargeras (we fight him either at Ulduar or at a titan arena in the domain of Order, but it's an instance, not a full on zone).

13.2 final boss: Iridikron

If I were a gamblin' Yak... I'd think it would be more likely to face Iridikron first, as he makes his move to take out the Pantheon, and then Sargeras is unleashed afterwards, either because the Pantheon is gone and can't contain him any longer, or he's turned loose by the Pantheon as some kind of counter-attack.

Also if Sargeras is going to be a boss he's gotta be the capstone guy, Iridikron is cool but no way he could carry off being the final big bad of not only a Titan Pantheon-centric expansion but also the whole Worldsoul saga. If the Titans and the Worldsoul story elements are getting wrapped up, Sargeras has gotta be there for the end.

[Khaza-R]

If I were a gamblin' Yak... I'd think it would be more likely to face Iridikron first, as he makes his move to take out the Pantheon, and then Sargeras is unleashed afterwards, either because the Pantheon is gone and can't contain him any longer, or he's turned loose by the Pantheon as some kind of counter-attack.

Also if Sargeras is going to be a boss he's gotta be the capstone guy, Iridikron is cool but no way he could carry off being the final big bad of not only a Titan Pantheon-centric expansion but also the whole Worldsoul saga. If the Titans and the Worldsoul story elements are getting wrapped up, Sargeras has gotta be there for the end.

Personally I don't think we will even fight Sargeras.

Titans will have contained him somehow. They all get reckd by some new void god. Illidan becomes the avatar of Sargeras but helps us destroy this void creature.

[Joshuaj]

If I were a gamblin' Yak... I'd think it would be more likely to face Iridikron first, as he makes his move to take out the Pantheon, and then Sargeras is unleashed afterwards, either because the Pantheon is gone and can't contain him any longer, or he's turned loose by the Pantheon as some kind of counter-attack.

Also if Sargeras is going to be a boss he's gotta be the capstone guy, Iridikron is cool but no way he could carry off being the final big bad of not only a Titan Pantheon-centric expansion but also the whole Worldsoul saga. If the Titans and the Worldsoul story elements are getting wrapped up, Sargeras has gotta be there for the end.

Ngl, I'd kinda prefer them to have Iridikron as the final boss, simply due to the fact that they're building him up HEAVILY. Would be waste to kill him off early in TLT. Heck, we don't even know if he's gonna die in said expac. They might keep him for the arc after as well.

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Personally I don't think we will even fight Sargeras.

Titans will have contained him somehow. They all get destroyed by some new void god. Illidan becomes the avatar of Sargeras but helps us destroy this void creature.

Considering we're gonna "banish the forces of Shadow" by the end of Midnight, I'd be shocked if the Void had a major part to play in TLT at all.

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Still awaiting my Order Vs Disorder Saga Blizzard! Let anarchy engulf Ulduar, have us explore more of the Nether, come on!!! Revamp Outland! Pop off!

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Man, I waited so long for this moment. Lemme fight Sargeras that fucker deserves a beating

[Khaza-R]

Considering we're gonna "banish the forces of Shadow" by the end of Midnight, I'd be shocked if the Void had a major part to play in TLT at all.

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Still awaiting my Order Vs Disorder Saga Blizzard! Let anarchy engulf Ulduar, have us explore more of the Nether, come on!!! Revamp Outland! Pop off!

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Man, I waited so long for this moment. Lemme fight Sargeras that fucker deserves a beating

Fair point. But somehow said void creature still has to come to Azeroth, try to consume its worldsoul, summon the titans and kill them. According to Iridikron's plan at least. Just seems like a lot to unfold from now until the end of Midnight.

[Golden Yak]

Ngl, I'd kinda prefer them to have Iridikron as the final boss, simply due to the fact that they're building him up HEAVILY. Would be waste to kill him off early in TLT. Heck, we don't even know if he's gonna die in said expac. They might keep him for the arc after as well.

I like Iridikron too, I definitely think he's got a huge role to play and I'd be happy to see him survive to become a future villain, but there are elements coming to a climax that have been here since WC1. I just can't see anyone other than Sargeras being the final baddie. I could almost even see Iridikron joining our side, if it comes to light that the Titans are hell-bent on Re-Origination and ending the world as we know it.

Fair point. But somehow said void creature still has to come to Azeroth, try to consume its worldsoul, summon the titans and kill them. According to Iridikron's plan at least. Just seems like a lot to unfold from now until the end of Midnight.

My theory is that in TWW, Xal'atath will de-Order the Worldsoul, undoing all the work the Titans have done on it so far. That's what Iridikron meant by 'prying the world from the Titans grasp' and sets up Midnight, where the Void tries to invade now that the Worldsoul is 'up for grabs'. However Midnight plays out will lead into TLT, where the Pantheon shows up to take the Worldsoul back, and Iridikron will make his move.

[Joshuaj]

Fair point. But somehow said void creature still has to come to Azeroth, try to consume its worldsoul, summon the titans and kill them. According to Iridikron's plan at least. Just seems like a lot to unfold from now until the end of Midnight.

Being honest here, what if Dimensius never consumed K'aresh, and actually corrupted it into a void creature instead? What if that's the final boss of Midnight, and we simply banish Dimensius and its forces?

Also, who says we need the Titans to banish the Void? The Light can just lock in and unleash their full arsenal, as I highly doubt the Light used all its might against the Legion

[Hitei]

I like Iridikron too, I definitely think he's got a huge role to play and I'd be happy to see him survive to become a future villain, but there are elements coming to a climax that have been here since WC1. I just can't see anyone other than Sargeras being the final baddie. I could almost even see Iridikron joining our side, if it comes to light that the Titans are hell-bent on Re-Origination and ending the world as we know it.

I'd say the current set up is pointing towards Aman'thul, not Sargeras. If anything it's likely that Sargeras (and probably Aeonar) will be used to help beat him.

[Nathanyel]

Maybe "the Lord of Ravens will turn the key" means Medivh sets Sargeras free, and we'll have a mega space battle between him and some Void Lord.

Void Lord: "YOU CANNOT DEFEAT ME!"
Medivh/Adventurers: "I know. *pants* But he can."

(Illidan already has strong parallels to MCU Loki, so him freeing Sargeras to this effect would work perfectly)

My theory is that in TWW, Xal'atath will de-Order the Worldsoul, undoing all the work the Titans have done on it so far. That's what Iridikron meant by 'prying the world from the Titans grasp'

Maybe just a silly theory, but what if that's why Xal has been absorbing various energies into the Dark Heart? Building up an equilibrium of all 6 forces, then expunging the Arcane of Dalaran (and likely other sources), which creates a "vaccum", for lack of a better word, that sucks out (enough of) Azeroth's Order.

Being honest here, what if Dimensius never consumed K'aresh, and actually corrupted it into a void creature instead?

I'm still assuming "Dimensius" IS K'aresh's Worldsoul. It tilted towards Void maybe due to early influence of the Ethereum, which then attracted alien Void forces, which the Ethereals believed to be the cause of Void activities on their world.
The planet breaking was then Dimensius being born, which may have only been a couple hundred years or so ago, explaining why the existence of a Void Worldsoul hasn't been as catastrophic (yet) as Sargeras rightfully assumed.
Maybe he felt the rising influence of the Void on Reality, but attributed it to Azeroth, which then prompted the repeated assaults in "recent" years, beginning with the relatively haphazard invasion of the Orcs as grunts to soften Azeroth's defenses.

[Golden Yak]

Maybe just a silly theory, but what if that's why Xal has been absorbing various energies into the Dark Heart? Building up an equilibrium of all 6 forces, then expunging the Arcane of Dalaran (and likely other sources), which creates a "vaccum", for lack of a better word, that sucks out (enough of) Azeroth's Order.

I have an extremely silly theory about what the Dark Heart is going to be used for, but I do think it's entirely possible that it will be used for something less silly, like hoovering up the Order magic from the Worldsoul, preparing it to be replaced by something darker (maybe what she's gathering the Black Blood for... the Old Gods were originally supposed to corrupt the Worldsoul for the Void, after all...)

All the empowering of the Dark Heart might be a prelude to this monumental act of consumption, just appetizers to whet the Heart's appetite for the main course.

[Nymrohd]

For me Iridikron is killed in the second raid just after he KILLS one of the Titans (either Khaz'goroth or Golganneth) with whatever McGuffin he was planning the entire time. Then the realization mortals can kill Titans and we champions just killed a Titanslayer takes Aman'thul for a spin and in the last raid we kill him. Sargeras is free to reconstitute the Legion, one of the Pantheon remains against us but flees to create a new Order-themed antagonistic force (my bet would be Norgannon) and Eonar, Aggramar and the other Titan left alive are severely depowered but stay on our side. This keeps Sargeras free as a future antagonist, allows us to still consider the majority of the Pantheon allies while also setting up a full time Order-themed villain.

Specifically what I'd do is have the Pantheon assemble near the end of the raid to cast a vote on whether they should wipe all life on Azeroth and the World Soul itself, Aman'thul only gets Norgannon's vote making him outnumbered 2 to 3 and then he unleashes Sargeras to vote on his side. Sargeras predictably betrays them. Sargeras fights the three Titans who are on our side, Norgannon stalls us so Aman'thul can destroy the planet. We take Norgannon down, he escapes, we fight Aman'thul and kill him. We probably have some help along the way, likely Elune.

[Joshuaj]

Void Lord: "YOU CANNOT DEFEAT ME!"
Medivh/Adventurers: "I know. *pants* But he can."

(Illidan already has strong parallels to MCU Loki, so him freeing Sargeras to this effect would work perfectly)



Maybe just a silly theory, but what if that's why Xal has been absorbing various energies into the Dark Heart? Building up an equilibrium of all 6 forces, then expunging the Arcane of Dalaran (and likely other sources), which creates a "vaccum", for lack of a better word, that sucks out (enough of) Azeroth's Order.



I'm still assuming "Dimensius" IS K'aresh's Worldsoul. It tilted towards Void maybe due to early influence of the Ethereum, which then attracted alien Void forces, which the Ethereals believed to be the cause of Void activities on their world.
The planet breaking was then Dimensius being born, which may have only been a couple hundred years or so ago, explaining why the existence of a Void Worldsoul hasn't been as catastrophic (yet) as Sargeras rightfully assumed.
Maybe he felt the rising influence of the Void on Reality, but attributed it to Azeroth, which then prompted the repeated assaults in "recent" years, beginning with the relatively haphazard invasion of the Orcs as grunts to soften Azeroth's defenses.

Could be the case. We'll have to see. Idk why they'd have a new name tho, considering Argus didn't even have a new name when it was "born".

[MauroDiogo]

With all the current story threads going, Do you think the Last Titan in The Last Titan is referring to one single Titan from the Pantheon being the very last Titan after we kill them (if the story goes that way)?
or do you think someone else becomes the Last Titan after we get rid of the Pantheon?

The Lore is slowly telling us and showing us that the Titans seem to work in an authoritarian way.
One of my theories is that Azeroth upon waking up is going to be displeased because that was never her original nature and she doesn't want to be bound by it. Thus leading us to rebel against the Titans.

Balance in all things and the freedom to choose our own path - That, along with all the powers she has been infused with throughout history, I feel could come into play in explaining how every player character is free to choose and wield different powers. Essences or a mixture of some of them, to create what we know as Classes.

And if we go down the route of killing the Titans that are currently in the Pantheon, it doesn't leave us with a lot of other options for someone or something turning into that Last Titan.

A lot of story threads and themes are all pointing towards or have links to Elune too and we know she has some ties with the Titans. Could she become the last Titan?

I've been around since Vanilla. I loved the story and Lore even prior to WoW and hearing about all these entities and possibilities for decades and now seeing all these threads finally unravelling and us learning more and more about it all is exciting to me. My very first character was a Night Elf Druid, still is my main, because of all the Lore and "mysteries" behind it all so I can't wait to see how it all pans out!

[Nathanyel]

Could be the case. We'll have to see. Idk why they'd have a new name tho, considering Argus didn't even have a new name when it was "born".

To be fair, Argus was heavily oppressed, and that was far from a "natural birth", at best comparable to a c-section.

Either way, we have no idea what's "normal" for a Worldsoul being "born".

[Joshuaj]

To be fair, Argus was heavily oppressed, and that was far from a "natural birth", at best comparable to a c-section.

Either way, we have no idea what's "normal" for a Worldsoul being "born".

That is true

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With all the current story threads going, Do you think the Last Titan in The Last Titan is referring to one single Titan from the Pantheon being the very last Titan after we kill them (if the story goes that way)?
or do you think someone else becomes the Last Titan after we get rid of the Pantheon?

The Lore is slowly telling us and showing us that the Titans seem to work in an authoritarian way.
One of my theories is that Azeroth upon waking up is going to be displeased because that was never her original nature and she doesn't want to be bound by it. Thus leading us to rebel against the Titans.

Balance in all things and the freedom to choose our own path - That, along with all the powers she has been infused with throughout history, I feel could come into play in explaining how every player character is free to choose and wield different powers. Essences or a mixture of some of them, to create what we know as Classes.

And if we go down the route of killing the Titans that are currently in the Pantheon, it doesn't leave us with a lot of other options for someone or something turning into that Last Titan.

A lot of story threads and themes are all pointing towards or have links to Elune too and we know she has some ties with the Titans. Could she become the last Titan?

I've been around since Vanilla. I loved the story and Lore even prior to WoW and hearing about all these entities and possibilities for decades and now seeing all these threads finally unravelling and us learning more and more about it all is exciting to me. My very first character was a Night Elf Druid, still is my main, because of all the Lore and "mysteries" behind it all so I can't wait to see how it all pans out!

I think the idea is that the Titans want Azeroth to become "the Last Titan", but as we'll soon learn, that's not her true nature.

[Nathanyel]

Could just be that any entity being turned to the Void has the tendency to pick an edgy new name.

For all we know, "Azeroth" might not even be the name our Worldsoul chose herself, but what the Titans named her.

[Sondrelk]

Anyone remember those datamined updated Alliance and Horde ships? Well I just found one going between Menethil Harbor and Theramore, No idea if there is some reason why this boat was updated, or if it even means anything. But there it is.

Looks great. Just weird to see it active on a route that is both obsolete from a gameplay and lore perspective. I can only assume the replaced all the old Alliance boats that move dynamically with those, and the one between Menethil and Wetlands was the only one currently in-game.

[Nymrohd]

I'd say Azeroth is the Last Titan. Not in that she is the Last one to remain but rather that she is the final one.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I still think it's the lowest point of modern Blizzard so I just hope they fix it.

There's really nothing to fix with it. The game was released exactly as the original Warcraft 3: RoC/TFT but with updated in-game models. Nothing new came from it.

They would need to created a brand new game if we hope for a proper remaster/remake. Akin to Diablo II's remaster.

[Nymrohd]

There's really nothing to fix with it. The game was released exactly as the original Warcraft 3: RoC/TFT but with updated in-game models. Nothing new came from it.

They would need to created a brand new game if we hope for a proper remaster/remake. Akin to Diablo II's remaster.

All people want was what was promised back at Blizzcon. Additional content, new cinematics.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

All people want was what was promised back at Blizzcon. Additional content, new cinematics.

Yeah...

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I'd say Azeroth is the Last Titan. Not in that she is the Last one to remain but rather that she is the final one.

That is all but confirmed. I would imagine that for the amount of time the titan installations have been on Azeroth, she will be at least part-titan. Perhaps the very first titan-like being that embodies all 6 of the cosmic forces?

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For all we know, "Azeroth" might not even be the name our Worldsoul chose herself, but what the Titans named her.

Never thought about this. I wonder what she would name herself if given the opportunity.

Danuseria!