The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

Brutal honesty here? Orwenya is going somewhere, since one of her songs is leading her to a place. I'm half convinced that location is Kezan, specifically the Undermine.

This will lead to this ordeal: 11.1 being the Rootlands with a Goblin invasion raid (Think the Treetop Terrace mixed with the Falling Forest from Skylanders), and that will lead to the 11.1.5 storyline with us returning to Kezan and entering the Undermine.

Idk, I just can't imagine a zone that was originally intended for Vanilla being pushed to a megadungeon so we can introduce a new never before heard of area. That would just be a poor poor usage of it. I'm not doubting Rootlands btw, I totally think we'll be going there, just in 11.2.

[Worldshaper]

"Rootlands" combined with Undermine is the most interesting way they could approach it, really.

Just having explosive Goblin tech for an entire patch sounds awful. However, in contrast with a bunch of untamed and primordial life, it suddenly gets interesting.

[Teriz]

I might of missed it but anyone notice the image of a potentially updated Kezan in the background of the latest preview?

EDIT : Actually not sure its even updated. But still seems like a rather big tease from the devs.

That's definitely a tease.

[Joshuaj]

Idk, I just can't imagine a zone that was originally intended for Vanilla being pushed to a megadungeon so we can introduce a new never before heard of area. That would just be a poor poor usage of it. I'm not doubting Rootlands btw, I totally think we'll be going there, just in 11.2.

11.2 should be about what's beneath the Undersea ngl. There's a lot hinting at stuff there, and what better way to counter 11.1 by going further down compared to going up?

Also, eh? We've already seen some of Kezan in Cata, and ngl, the Undermine's been a long time coming. It being a Megadungeon would be just fine so long as there's a major story around it (Like with the Infinite Plotline in 10.1.5).

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That's definitely a tease.

This "tease" is actually where I think Orwenya's story is gonna go. She hears a song, she travels to the Siren Isle to better figure out what's up, she goes beyond the Siren Isle to Kezan, and within Kezan, she sees the Goblin's arsenal within the Undermine.

11.1 could then be the "Rootlands", with either an Undermine storyline and Raid (Where we fail to stop the Goblins from kickstarting their assault on the "Rootlands"), or a raid that'll lead to an Undermine megadungeon (Where we stop the initial Goblin assault, meet up with Orwenya at Kezan, and stop Gallywix or so at the city).

[milkmustache]

"Rootlands" combined with Undermine is the most interesting way they could approach it, really.

Just having explosive Goblin tech for an entire patch sounds awful. However, in contrast with a bunch of untamed and primordial life, it suddenly gets interesting.

Dwarves for a full expansion was a big argument against Khaz Algar in theorizing 11.0 and it's working just fine.

But I agree that the two should be linked in some form. I think it would just be a big mistake to not give us a crazy crammed city zone. We'll get untamed and primordial life zones in the future undoubtedly, but this is the one massive massive opportunity for a goblin city. First and only shot.

[Joshuaj]

Regardless, lots of potential to be had here.

[Syegfryed]

People, did we got the quest for the cool greenfire motorcycle? rly looking for it

[milkmustache]

This "tease" is actually where I think Orwenya's story is gonna go. She hears a song, she travels to the Siren Isle to better figure out what's up, she goes beyond the Siren Isle to Kezan, and within Kezan, she sees the Goblin's arsenal within the Undermine.

11.1 could then be the "Rootlands", with either an Undermine storyline and Raid (Where we fail to stop the Goblins from kickstarting their assault on the "Rootlands"), or a raid that'll lead to an Undermine megadungeon (Where we stop the initial Goblin assault, meet up with Orwenya at Kezan, and stop Gallywix or so at the city).

I just don't understand Orweyna venturing to Kezan, seeing Undermine and then just going all the way back home to the Rootlands just for us to go to Undermine for a megadungeon.

I just think the evidence for Undermine as a patch zone is far outweighing the idea of it being a megadungeon. That just doesn't make sense to me.

[Khaza-R]

Its also very possible the goblin related content just doesn't involve Undermine.

While I think that would be a bummer. Its not outside of the realm of possibility that Blizzard invents a new zone with some off-shoot goblins who were elevated by something other than kaja'mite.

[Teriz]

Its also very possible the goblin related content just doesn't involve Undermine.

While I think that would be a bummer. Its not outside of the realm of possibility that Blizzard invents a new zone with some off-shoot goblins who were elevated by something other than kaja'mite.

The issue is that Undermine has been name dropped both in TWW and DF. It also fits the theme of the expansion, and potentially as a follow up to the 11.0.7 patch, since Undermine/Kezan was reportedly teeming with Azerite.

[Joshuaj]

Its also very possible the goblin related content just doesn't involve Undermine.

While I think that would be a bummer. Its not outside of the realm of possibility that Blizzard invents a new zone with some off-shoot goblins who were elevated by something other than kaja'mite.

I mean, sure? But this is the underground expansion, and players have been wanting to see the Undermine for a long time now.

[Kiivar86]

The issue is that Undermine has been name dropped both in TWW and DF. It also fits the theme of the expansion, and potentially as a follow up to the 11.0.7 patch, since Undermine/Kezan was reportedly teeming with Azerite.

Just because it is name dropped doesn't mean its a sure thing, I mean, look at Avaloren after all.

People, did we got the quest for the cool greenfire motorcycle? rly looking for it

Not to my knowledge, at least not yet anyway.

[Teriz]

Just because it is name dropped doesn't mean it’s a sure thing, I mean, look at Avaloren after all.

Well its name dropped and we have its denizens (Goblins) all over the place. We also have the Goblin faction leader making a major appearance in this expansion. Even Wowhead has taken notice.


https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-gaz...-11-0-7-349568

[Joshuaj]

I just don't understand Orweyna venturing to Kezan, seeing Undermine and then just going all the way back home to the Rootlands just for us to go to Undermine for a megadungeon.

I just think the evidence for Undermine as a patch zone is far outweighing the idea of it being a megadungeon. That just doesn't make sense to me.

Simple. Orwenya would find out about it as a separate occurance. She'll reach Kezan while the Goblins are attacking the "Rootlands".

That, or I'm wrong and the Undermine ain't happening.

[Khaza-R]

I mean, sure? But this is the underground expansion, and players have been wanting to see the Undermine for a long time now.

Undermine makes sense of course. I am not arguing otherwise. I would love if Xal makes a super kaja'mite and feeds it to Gallywix and his goblins. The only hinderance for Undermine is really that seems to be distantly far way from the rest of Khaz Algar.

But ultimately its up to whatever story Blizzard wants to tell. Fans wanted Argus and Nazja'tar to be expansions in their own right but the story unfolded otherwise.

[Kiivar86]

Well its name dropped and we have its denizens (Goblins) all over the place. We also have the Goblin faction leader making a major appearance in this expansion. Even Wowhead has taken notice.


https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-gaz...-11-0-7-349568

I know but just advising for caution. I was so certain Avaloren was the next thing since it got namedropped (and hell, created) at the start of Dragonflight which seemed pretty clear "yo we're going here next" thing but...well, here we are.

[Joshuaj]

I know but just advising for caution. I was so certain Avaloren was the next thing since it got namedropped (and hell, created) at the start of Dragonflight which seemed pretty clear "yo we're going here next" thing but...well, here we are.

Fair, but unlike Avaloren, the Undermine's been being built up since WC3, and this is the underground expac, so there's a lil more merit to these current arguments.

But if we don't get Undermine, I'll understand. I won't like it, but I'll understand.

[hattahat]

Avaloren is a completely new region in Warcraft history, so it's going to need a lot more time to set itself up before it's ready for the spotlight. Personally, I think we'll see Avaloren take center stage in the expansion right after The Last Titan.
I've always thought that the 11.1 zone and raid would be Undermine and the megadungeon would be Rootlands, but the problem is that the rootlands zone doesn't currently exist. Maybe they'll release both zones at the same time like they did in patch 8.2. I hope so.

[milkmustache]

I know but just advising for caution. I was so certain Avaloren was the next thing since it got namedropped (and hell, created) at the start of Dragonflight which seemed pretty clear "yo we're going here next" thing but...well, here we are.

To be completely fair, Khaz Algar was also mentioned by name and became our destination.

Teriz was the one who pointed out the trash item referencing Nerubians from Zaralek Caverns; what I think they mean by Undermine mentions is the Undermine Clam Chowder from the Iskaara feast event, its first mention in quite some time.

[Teriz]

To be completely fair, Khaz Algar was also mentioned by name and became our destination.

Teriz was the one who pointed out the trash item referencing Nerubians from Zaralek Caverns; what I think they mean by Undermine mentions is the Undermine Clam Chowder from the Iskaara feast event, its first mention in quite some time.

That would be correct. I believe that Gazlowe's presence in TWW (and his appearance in The Voices Within) is because they're bringing Undermine into the game.