The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

Azeroth is in the center because it's our planet and the main planet of the game, the one people are familiar with and will want to look at, the place where Ulduar is. Ulduar wasn't trying to seed elaborate worldsoul stories 15 years in advance. They wanted a celestial/astronomy section of the instance so they put a projection of Azeroth, and then they needed more stuff so they made a bunch of nondescript generic planets to fill out the section and make it feel more like an actual planetarium.

All of the planetarium planets have moons, but Argus as seen through the portal doesn't have any.

I don't think you quite get my point. My point is more-so the idea that TLT will possibly establish a connection with the planet projection area by saying "oh yeah, these worlds are the ones with worldsouls in them, and Azeroth is in the center because she is the Prime Worldsoul".

I understand the out of universe reasonings for why Azeroth is in the center, and ik this stuff wasn't planned back in 2008-2009.

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"All of the planetarium planets have moons, but Argus as seen through the portal doesn't have any."

You also forget that Argus was completely twisted by the Fel, and was consumed by the Nether. It's entirely possible the moon for it just straight up doesn't exist anymore.

[Telogrus]

I have to imagine the Undermine forshadowing is referring to Undermine Goblins traveling to Khaz Algar or even the Rootlands. It would be dumb to spend 1/3rd of the Khaz Algar expansion half the world away. People need to remember Undermine isn't anywhere near Khaz Algar.

Isn’t Kezan pretty close to Khaz Algar?

[Dracullus]

Isn’t Kezan pretty close to Khaz Algar?

Far enough to not be on same map like Kul Tiras and Mechagon. So it doesn't really matter if it's relatively close or on another planet.

[Joshuaj]

Isn’t Kezan pretty close to Khaz Algar?

No. It's far.

But that shouldn't be relevant. Have you seen Argus? Nazjatar?

[Hitei]

I don't think you quite get my point. My point is more-so the idea that TLT will possibly establish a connection with the planet projection area by saying "oh yeah, these worlds are the ones with worldsouls in them, and Azeroth is in the center because she is the Prime Worldsoul".

I understand the out of universe reasonings for why Azeroth is in the center, and ik this stuff wasn't planned back in 2008-2009.

I think that even if the room was kept in its form in TLT, it is very unlikely the planets would be attributed to worldsouls. There would need to either be many more if it's a comprehensive archive (we have like 10+ if we add together Titans, Azeroth, Argus, K'aresh, the unnamed one Sargeras killed, etc.), or much fewer (because it's been pretty consistently reinforced that Azeroth is the only extant one, it would be very strange for there to just suddenly be 5(?) additional ones--especially since by current trajectory, we are gearing up to face Titans, so another 5 worldsouls incubating as additional ones would be hugely problematic).

I think if it is addressed at all, they would just attribute them to existing regular planets we know the Titans have messed around on (Elunaria, Nihilam, etc.) or they will be given random names. But I think even more likely, they will just leave them as no name filler globes.

You also forget that Argus was completely twisted by the Fel, and was consumed by the Nether. It's entirely possible the moon for it just straight up doesn't exist anymore.

I'm not forgetting it, but if we are at the point of "it doesn't match the color of Argus because Argus could change, or look like Argus because Argus could change, or even have the appropriate number of moons because moons can be completely destroyed"... what is there even to suggest it's Argus? Like if nothing about it matches up in any way with Argus (and putting aside the narrative problems with the Pantheon being aware of Argus but apparently completely ignoring it), why guess Argus?

[Joshuaj]

I think that even if the room was kept in its form in TLT, it is very unlikely the planets would be attributed to worldsouls. There would need to either be many more if it's a comprehensive archive (we have like 10+ if we add together Titans, Azeroth, Argus, K'aresh, the unnamed one Sargeras killed, etc.), or much fewer (because it's been pretty consistently reinforced that Azeroth is the only extant one, it would be very strange for there to just suddenly be 5(?) additional ones--especially since by current trajectory, we are gearing up to face Titans, so another 5 worldsouls incubating as additional ones would be hugely problematic).

I think if it is addressed at all, they would just attribute them to existing regular planets we know the Titans have messed around on (Elunaria, Nihilam, etc.) or they will be given random names. But I think even more likely, they will just leave them as no name filler globes.



I'm not forgetting it, but if we are at the point of "it doesn't match the color of Argus because Argus could change, or look like Argus because Argus could change, or even have the appropriate number of moons because moons can be completely destroyed"... what is there even to suggest it's Argus? Like if nothing about it matches up in any way with Argus (and putting aside the narrative problems with the Pantheon being aware of Argus but apparently completely ignoring it), why guess Argus?

Based off the VERY little info we're given about Argus pre-fel, as well as the small glimpses into the past we're shown in game and whatnot, Argus is apparently a pretty mountainous world, and some of the landscapes on the planet are conveniently placed where Eredath could be.

Obviously, this is a HUGE tinfoil hat theory on my end, so I don't expect to be nearly right here, but it is something to think about.

Also, I get your point regarding the worlds, but I much prefer the idea that the Titans have been trying to turn Worldsouls into "Titans" for a while now, and the projection is just a showcase of those worlds with souls in them. This would showcase that, just like with every other forces pantheon, the Titans are trying to claim dominance over the cosmos as well. Ik this is just a theory and nothing more, but it would not only explain quite a bit, but it would also fall in line to everything we've learned about the forces and the Titans in recent lore.

[Xilurm]

Well well well. Looks like the theories about the Worldsoul being surrounded by a prison like device were true.

Take that naysayers.

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If Azeroth was the one giving free will to the titan constructs, then where does that put the Old Gods? We know that Yogg-Saron gave them the curse of the flesh, but we also thought that is also what gave them free will.

[Raetary]

If Azeroth was the one giving free will to the titan constructs, then where does that put the Old Gods? We know that Yogg-Saron gave them the curse of the flesh, but we also thought that is also what gave them free will.

That the curse gave them free will is not contradicted though?

Azeroth turned the Earthen working on the core into OG Magnis, she wasn't affecting the constructs being created by the Forge of Wills ages later.

[Xilurm]

That the curse gave them free will is not contradicted though?

Azeroth turned the Earthen working on the core into OG Magnis, she wasn't affecting the constructs being created by the Forge of Wills ages later.

Not saying it's contradicted, but it's gotta be connected somehow. Maybe Azeroth was somehow influencing the Old Gods before the Titans came.

[Joshuaj]

Well well well. Looks like the theories about the Worldsoul being surrounded by a prison like device were true.

Take that naysayers.

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If Azeroth was the one giving free will to the titan constructs, then where does that put the Old Gods? We know that Yogg-Saron gave them the curse of the flesh, but we also thought that is also what gave them free will.

Tbf here, TLT's logo was quite literally a Titan Prison. People were either jumping to Iridikron or Azeroth's Soul from the get-go.

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Not saying it's contradicted, but it's gotta be connected somehow. Maybe Azeroth was somehow influencing the Old Gods before the Titans came.

It's entirely possible the Old Gods were connecting themselves to the Worldsoul in some-way. Their bodies are pretty deep in the planet.

[Kiivar86]

So this world core thing gets me wondering regarding the Beledar.

Could the Beledar itself be sort of like the Light's way of doing similar? Couldn't create something to encompass it, but instead lodge something that will incline it? I know it is similar to Azerite but it obviously has also been changed in some capacity. An infection of sorts perhaps?

[Xilurm]

Tbf here, TLT's logo was quite literally a Titan Prison. People were either jumping to Iridikron or Azeroth's Soul from the get-go.

A lot were calling it BS.

[Joshuaj]

A lot were calling it BS.

I had my doubts initially, but after a point, I got around to the theory.

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So this world core thing gets me wondering regarding the Beledar.

Could the Beledar itself be sort of like the Light's way of doing similar? Couldn't create something to encompass it, but instead lodge something that will incline it? I know it is similar to Azerite but it obviously has also been changed in some capacity. An infection of sorts perhaps?

IF the crystals aren't Light naturally, then it is possible the Light influenced Beledar in some way, namely as a means of communing and tampering with the soul of Azeroth itself.

[Enrif]

So this world core thing gets me wondering regarding the Beledar.

Could the Beledar itself be sort of like the Light's way of doing similar? Couldn't create something to encompass it, but instead lodge something that will incline it? I know it is similar to Azerite but it obviously has also been changed in some capacity. An infection of sorts perhaps?

After the disk informations we got so far, i would go by, that azeroths world soul is (primarily) Light, and the beledar is, as voiced by the titans, indeed a "calcification" of worldsoul essence, because it is Light.

And given the context of a apparatus of titan origin around the world soul, and the stabbing of azeroth likely damaging that apparatus, Azerite is calcified worldsoul essence (the golden part), with stuff from the titan aparatus on it (the blue part, blue for arcane and order).

This would explain everything seen so far, also why the cry for help from azeroth is a "radiant" song.

And it matches the creation of the universe mythology of the shards of light.

[Telogrus]

After the disk informations we got so far, i would go by, that azeroths world soul is (primarily) Light, and the beledar is, as voiced by the titans, indeed a "calcification" of worldsoul essence, because it is Light.

And given the context of a apparatus of titan origin around the world soul, and the stabbing of azeroth likely damaging that apparatus, Azerite is calcified worldsoul essence (the golden part), with stuff from the titan aparatus on it (the blue part, blue for arcane and order).

This would explain everything seen so far, also why the cry for help from azeroth is a "radiant" song.

And it matches the creation of the universe mythology of the shards of light.

Seems more likely that Light just started corrupting Azeroth before any other forces, rather than Blizz completely abandoning their “The forces must be balanced” narrative and going back to “Light = good”

[Joshuaj]

After the disk informations we got so far, i would go by, that azeroths world soul is (primarily) Light, and the beledar is, as voiced by the titans, indeed a "calcification" of worldsoul essence, because it is Light.

And given the context of a apparatus of titan origin around the world soul, and the stabbing of azeroth likely damaging that apparatus, Azerite is calcified worldsoul essence (the golden part), with stuff from the titan aparatus on it (the blue part, blue for arcane and order).

This would explain everything seen so far, also why the cry for help from azeroth is a "radiant" song.

And it matches the creation of the universe mythology of the shards of light.

I'm sort of on this theory, except I believe the Worldsouls are meant to represent all 6 forces combined, and Light is basically their "starter" state.

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Them representing all 6 forces would especially make sense, considering the worlds that surround the souls are/were seemingly habitable ones with different forces influencing them, and the mortal realm itself consists of all 6 forces + the primordial ring.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

So I'm starting to wonder if Azeroth, the worldsoul, was indirectly helping the Old Gods on purpose. Or trying to help. Perhaps to free her from the titan's confines?

We have Odyn declaring that all mention and history of the Old Gods/Black Empire be negative on purpose. This implies that the reign of the Black Empire would have been the opposite of what history has described it to be.

So... what if, Azeroth the worldsoul was hoping for the Old God's success against the titans?

[Enrif]

Seems more likely that Light just started corrupting Azeroth before any other forces, rather than Blizz completely abandoning their “The forces must be balanced” narrative and going back to “Light = good”

we have to see. but from my current view it makes too much sense. Even if we look at the next expansion, what was said about midnight? "You will make your stand with the forces of the light and banish the shadow". This is pretty strong light=good connotation here. And over the history of warcraft, the light was always the most "good" force. Sure some zealots like the scarlets, Yrel or Xe'ra exist. But these do not represent the light, like the titans represent order.

[Joshuaj]

So I'm starting to wonder if Azeroth, the worldsoul, was indirectly helping the Old Gods on purpose. Or trying to help. Perhaps to free her from the titan's confines?

We have Odyn declaring that all mention and history of the Old Gods/Black Empire be negative on purpose. This implies that the reign of the Black Empire would have been the opposite of what history has described it to be.

So... what if, Azeroth the worldsoul was hoping for the Old God's success against the titans?

Depends. Did work on Azeroth begin before or after the Black Empire's defeat?

[JDBlou]

After the disk informations we got so far, i would go by, that azeroths world soul is (primarily) Light, and the beledar is, as voiced by the titans, indeed a "calcification" of worldsoul essence, because it is Light.

And given the context of a apparatus of titan origin around the world soul, and the stabbing of azeroth likely damaging that apparatus, Azerite is calcified worldsoul essence (the golden part), with stuff from the titan aparatus on it (the blue part, blue for arcane and order).

This would explain everything seen so far, also why the cry for help from azeroth is a "radiant" song.

And it matches the creation of the universe mythology of the shards of light.

Medically speaking, calcification can occur at the end stage of a tissue response to a foreign body (things like splinters in skin, unremoved bullets/shrapnel in GSW-impacted tissues like bone or soft tissue) within biological tissue to contain and prevent the spread of the foreign body material through the organism. What if the Beledar wasn't initially some light crystal but something else, and Azeroth's or some other cosmological force's "immune response" was to calcify the power source to prevent it spreading across Azeroth?