The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

Maybe all of them?

Light - Crystal
Void - Old Gods
Order - Coreway
Life - Roots of Elun'Ahir
Death - Icecrown conduit (failed)
Fel - Sargeras coming in person (failed)

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New PTR build, they postponed profession respec. But.. I kinda feel tired with this whole knowledge system. It's so unnecessary grindy, especially compared to rest game post SL. And whole system is complcated enough even without knowledge on top.

Maybe better way would be just limited pool of knowledge points you can assign and reset once a week or/and for huge gold cost? Of course it shouldn't affect recipes you learn, just level of skill when you craft stuff, people who put more knowledge in boots would make better boots etc.

Old Gods failed too

[Golden Yak]

If TWW, the Beledar will be the final crystal to fully turn dark. Signalling the corruption of the Worldsoul to Void and the end of the expansion. The final patch will be us, the Arathi, the Earthern and possibly the Harronir forming a human wall around the entrance to the worldcore in attempts to repel Xal'Atath an her forces reaching the worldsoul. It could also be the Sunwell in midnight, where we are hinted to fail pushing back the void, leading us to Ulduar to summon the titans back to Azeroth.

My views are really close to what you've written.

I think that the climax of TWW will be Xal'atath essentially reversing the Ordering that the Titans have done so far - stripping away the Order magic they've poured into the Worldsoul. Resetting it to standard, really. This is the 'pry the world from the Titans grasp' that Iridikron mentioned.

I think she'll also try and seize the Worldsoul with the Black Blood, and the final battle of TWW will be us stopping her. We spoil the Void's first try here, and then in Midnight they invade a force, trying to take the world directly now that the Worldsoul is 'up for grabs'.

They might succeed, and Midnight is our Empire Strikes Back moment. But either way, the Titans will show up to Re-Originate everything in Last Titan.

[Joshuaj]

Is it now?
Because Dragonflight made it pretty clear there is a distinction between the Arcane and Order magic.

And the latter has been exclusively golden colored.

A lot of Order magics have the gold color. They also have a lot of blue coloring. Also, reminder that not all Arcane Magic is Order Magic (or at least, it doesn't apply to Order's influence a lot of the time), as a lot of times it can be very volatile, and I'm not sure mortals, especially mages of the Kirin'Tor are familiar or connected with the influence of Order (by "not sure", I mean they aren't). However, Order Magic can and has most definitely included the Arcane.

Arcane is a unique Magic to argue, cause it can be considered Order magic a ton, but it's also considered not to be Order magic, or at least it lacks any of Order's traits in a lot of cases. I imagine it primarily depends on who's using it, since in the hands of the Dragonflights and the Titans, it's used a ton and it's used as an Order Magic, while for places like the Netherstorm, or in many situations where mortals try to use it, the magic is anything but ordered.

[hattahat]

My views are really close to what you've written.

I think that the climax of TWW will be Xal'atath essentially reversing the Ordering that the Titans have done so far - stripping away the Order magic they've poured into the Worldsoul. Resetting it to standard, really. This is the 'pry the world from the Titans grasp' that Iridikron mentioned.

I think she'll also try and seize the Worldsoul with the Black Blood, and the final battle of TWW will be us stopping her. We spoil the Void's first try here, and then in Midnight they invade a force, trying to take the world directly now that the Worldsoul is 'up for grabs'.

They might succeed, and Midnight is our Empire Strikes Back moment. But either way, the Titans will show up to Re-Originate everything in Last Titan.

Yeah, this is it. I've been saying this since the Worldsoul Saga was revealed. That Xal'atath will reach into the core of Azeroth and inject the Void into Azeroth which is being titanized, and that the Sunwell will be the only bastion of light in a darkened Azeroth.

And I think Alleria's role will play a big part in this. Xal'atath will in some way immerse Azeroth in the Void and the world will fall into Midnight, but in the process, Alleria may embrace some of the Void and prevent it from completely engulfing Azeroth. Perhaps in Midnight expansion, when the corrupted Alleria marches on the Sunwell, we'll meet her as a boss and “save” her.

This would also explain why the expansion animation emphasized her tough choices.

But it could also just end with her interrupting Xal'atath. Like the plan to inject the Void into Azeroth succeeding, but Xal'atath herself suffering great damage.

Whether Xal'atath is intact and alive in Midnight, or whether she's damaged in some way and sealed away once again. And whether Alleria is temporarily corrupted by the power of the Void, or whether she thwarts Xal'atath's plans and continues to be on our side in Midnight, it's all possible.

And “When the arrow finds its mark, the last fetter will fall away.” I believe this prophecy will play a role in the story of Alleria and Xal'atath in some way.

[Joshuaj]

My views are really close to what you've written.

I think that the climax of TWW will be Xal'atath essentially reversing the Ordering that the Titans have done so far - stripping away the Order magic they've poured into the Worldsoul. Resetting it to standard, really. This is the 'pry the world from the Titans grasp' that Iridikron mentioned.

I think she'll also try and seize the Worldsoul with the Black Blood, and the final battle of TWW will be us stopping her. We spoil the Void's first try here, and then in Midnight they invade a force, trying to take the world directly now that the Worldsoul is 'up for grabs'.

They might succeed, and Midnight is our Empire Strikes Back moment. But either way, the Titans will show up to Re-Originate everything in Last Titan.

"Re-originate" "Shape and Order what's there as it's deemed "chaotic" and whatnot" "Imprison or repurpose"

The Titans barely have an original thought in their minds oml

[Polybius]

Maybe all of them?

Light - Crystal
Void - Old Gods
Order - Coreway
Life - Roots of Elun'Ahir
Death - Icecrown conduit (failed)
Fel - Sargeras coming in person (failed)

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New PTR build, they postponed profession respec. But.. I kinda feel tired with this whole knowledge system. It's so unnecessary grindy, especially compared to rest game post SL. And whole system is complcated enough even without knowledge on top.

Maybe better way would be just limited pool of knowledge points you can assign and reset once a week or/and for huge gold cost? Of course it shouldn't affect recipes you learn, just level of skill when you craft stuff, people who put more knowledge in boots would make better boots etc.

The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green.

[Worldshaper]

I honestly don't think the worldsoul is "order-infused".

The owl Loa Q'onzu in the Emerald Dream seemed to make a specific point about Titan imprisonment. You're placed in stasis.

Riddle: "What protects, but also imprisons?"
Answer: stasis.

The Primal Incarnates, when imprisoned by those huge Titan orbs, looked as if though they were in stasis.

Same with the Dracthyr. Neltharion seemed to have simply placed them in stasis, unaffected by everything around them until it was their time.

So here's how I imagine it:

The worldsoul was almost overtaken by the Void. She's essentially dreaming, or sleeping. So the Manifold was built around the worldsoul to freeze it in place for the time being.

Then the Titans died, and things just sort of... didn't progress any further. Over time, the titan-forged and their leaders forgot about their mission and started to quibble, were lost to corruption, and so on.

Dragonflight's tag-line was kind of this: "a world awoken". On the Dragon Isles, it was represented by all the elements going haywire.

It doesn't seem like the worlssoul is entirely active yet, but perhaps in the process of waking up? Hence the radiant song.

A Song of the Depths speaks of Xal'atath gathering the children of the first flesh, that are toiling in the deep places. We've since assumed that refers to the Nerubians of Azj-Kahet, that are, on fact, toiling in Khaz Algar to collect Old God blood.

But the text says "deep places," with a plural.

Could there be more "children"? What about the Goblins? They evolved during the Black Empire and the Ordering of Azeroth, and gained their hyper intelligence because of Kajamite.

Seeking to find more Kajamite in the Undermine, they went so deep until they found Azerite. When Gallywix was in charge, and Xal'atath was already free.

Could it be that the Goblins of the Undermine (some of them, anyhow) have entered a deal with Xal'atath to gain access to the worldsoul?

Either way, the aforementioned book also says Xal'atath will carry out an awakening, once she has the Dark Heart and Galakrond's essence.

So my guess is that she reaches the worldsoul and frees it from stasis, only to then complete its awakening by infusing it with the powers of the Void she has stored within the Dark Heart.

The worldsoul awakens as a terrible Void-being (not sure if it can be called a Void Lord, but effectively the same type of danger to us).

Because her spirit affects Azeroth and everyone around her, and she mostly seems to have given life thus far (see the Well of Eternity, the Earthen, etc.), I'm guessing her dream has been the Emerald Dream, or was influenced by it.

Elun'Ahir probably had something to do with that. Either pumping life into the worldsoul via its roots, or simply influencing it by being nearby.

Xal'atath probably wanna to use that connection somehow. (Pump Old God blood into it?)

Either way, this awakening is one step further than The Hour of Twilight. It is Midnight.

So, TL;DR version of the history of Azeroth:

- The Light brought the spark of Life
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- Void arrived and threatened the worldsoul.

- Life/Death and Order/Disorder arrived. Order sought to place the worldsoul on stasis until the time was right, while Life used Eonar to create a failsafe by planting Elun'Ahir, able to reach the worldsoul. As a result, Life could blossom on Azeroth and "champions" could be born to protect it.

[Kiivar86]

Hey, this is the fun part about theorizing. We don't know what's up lol

True that!

If nothing else, this expansion has been a lot better for that for me, I feel.

[Cheezits]

Huge spoiler but in the Kirin Tor questline it's revealed there is a mirror image of Pre-Lich Kel'Thuzad lingering in an enchanted amulet, and after we talk with him for a bit he escapes in a portal. So this may be an indication of how he can come back after the disappointment of him in SL, and possibly with a character reset as well.

Also the Council of Six is mostly missing and doesn't appear, so this is very likely a multi expansion story

[Kiivar86]

Huge spoiler but in the Kirin Tor questline it's revealed there is a mirror image of Pre-Lich Kel'Thuzad lingering in an enchanted amulet, and after we talk with him for a bit he escapes in a portal. So this may be an indication of how he can come back after the disappointment of him in SL, and possibly with a character reset as well.

Also the Council of Six is mostly missing and doesn't appear, so this is very likely a multi expansion story

On the one hand, I don't like cheapening death, even more so. On the other hand, I love Kel'thuzad (the old one, not the Shadowlands version he became) so a second go-around would be pretty sweet. Also if Dalaran's a multi-expansion story, I wonder if that may be a way to incorporate Aluneth too. I'd love to see him return ala Xal'atath.

[Sondrelk]

Huge spoiler but in the Kirin Tor questline it's revealed there is a mirror image of Pre-Lich Kel'Thuzad lingering in an enchanted amulet, and after we talk with him for a bit he escapes in a portal. So this may be an indication of how he can come back after the disappointment of him in SL, and possibly with a character reset as well.

Also the Council of Six is mostly missing and doesn't appear, so this is very likely a multi expansion story

Interesting. I wonder if this is how we will get more relevance to the Scourged areas in EK in time for Midnight.
I always figured going to the Plaguelands and Stratholme/Scholomance was a definite for that expansion if othing else due to proximity. But I can see this actually giving us a proper primary antagonist for that plotline.

[Therougetitan]

I can think of no one better to introduce a necromancer style class later on.

[Kiivar86]

Y'know, thinking about it, that's basically a phylactery too, isn't it? A proto-phylactery. Given Kel'thuzad, that'd make a lot of sense to make.

[Cheezits]

I can think of no one better to introduce a necromancer style class later on.

Necromancer as the Midnight class instead of Void Knight or something similar would be a huge serve, but it makes sense due to the return to the Plaguelands/Scourge area and this new development. Maybe it's both classes?

[Enrif]

I would have thought that it is a seed for TLT instead of Midnight. Though, the sunwell resurrected him once from the dead... so why not a second time? Or, like Xal in BfA and DF, Kel will be a sidestory and be set up for what happens after the World Soul saga?

Kel'thuzard regains a Body in Midnight to mimic Xal'atath getting a body in BfA, then Kel'Thuzard gains something powerful in TLT to mimic Xal'atath gaining the Dark Heart. Like say, the body of a powerful dead dragon to be resurrected into undeath? Iridikron becoming the next Sapphiron, or worse Galakrond, after all that time.

[Swarzsinne]

Old Gods failed too

Their blood is still around corrupting things and their echos live on. Not to mention Xal wouldn't be doing her thing without the help of N'zoth, I'm not so sure I'm ready to label them as failed, yet.

[Khaza-R]

I can think of no one better to introduce a necromancer style class later on.

I didn't think of this but yeah, seems plausible.

He's just such a random character to bring back. I can't really see the reasoning other than him being the face of a new class.

[Golden Yak]

Blech, I don't like that. Kel'thuzad is great and all, but this seems like a contrived way to revive him. Why not just make new characters. Have his long-lost son* show up.

A necromancer class though... that would be cool, especially with the addition of the Arathi's light/ashen undead necromancy as a potential spec. Seems like it would be a strange time for it though, not a lot of obvious 'Death' themes present in the Worldsoul Saga. Maybe Death magic will come to the fore as a potential counter to the Void, it didn't seem to like the power of Death in that Sylvanas comic.

*Or daughter. I'm not sexist.

[Darkarath]

A mirror image in an enchanted amulet? My god, this has to be the worst way to bring back a character ever. If that is possible, every WoW mage should do that.

Time to search for amulets, Kirin Tor, Rhonin might be in one of them !!

Make a new interesting character. Link him in some way to Kel'thuzadif you want, but stop making this shitty stuff that only damages the game. If a fantasy universe does not have rules it cannot be taken seriously, there have to be limits.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

A necromancer class though... that would be cool, especially with the addition of the Arathi's light/ashen undead necromancy as a potential spec. Seems like it would be a strange time for it though, not a lot of obvious 'Death' themes present in the Worldsoul Saga. Maybe Death magic will come to the fore as a potential counter to the Void, it didn't seem to like the power of Death in that Sylvanas comic.

I was previously convinced a necromancer class would never happen after Shadowlands, but now I think it seems like it could be justified given the thematic relevance of the Scourge to Quel'Thalas.