The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

I also never stated that they won't do it. I stated that I'm skeptical that it's a full blown class. There's a difference. I've repeatedly stated that to me, it seems more likely that it's a hero talent tree. Hero talent trees are where stuff like this tends to pop up.

Your completely lack of self-awareness is rather unsurprising.

[Limayria]

Is it possible that some of these classes that sound like Hero Talents could actually be some form of class agonstic hero talents, either available to all of a single spec or all classes in general? Is this possibly laying some ground work for Titan empowerment to the classes? Pick your Titan, gain their power, etc? Not sure how well that'd go if so, it feels like a pre-Dragonflight design philosphy thing.

I think rather than being fully class agnostic, they could be hero talents for multiple specs/classes

[Enrif]

They could give us bard for Midnight since the Radiant Song is the big TWW thing so they could do it similiar to the initial allied races and say whatever happens in the last raid empowers some heroes of Azeroth to utilize the Song directly, leading into the pre-order bonus of early access bards (aswell as housing which is already confirmed to come earlier).

I don't think we will save the world soul in TWW, also no world core raid. As it is more likely that Xal somehow or partially succeeds, getting Midnight into motion. But that is my view.

[Teriz]

I think rather than being fully class agnostic, they could be hero talents for multiple specs/classes

What if they're 4th specs? Some of these certainly seem that way.

Spellbreaker > Demon Hunter
Warden > Hunter
Leyweaver >Monk
Astrologian > Mage
Gunslinger > Rogue
Witch > Shaman
Prismatic > Evoker
Lancer> Warrior
Necromancer > Death Knight
etc.

[Supertoster]

What if they're 4th specs? Some of these certainly seem that way.

Spellbreaker > Demon Hunter
Warden > Hunter
Leyweaver >Monk
Astrologian > Mage
Gunslinger > Rogue
Witch > Shaman
Prismatic > Evoker
Lancer> Warrior
Necromancer > Death Knight
etc.

Yep, some options from survey are definatelly not classes, but specs or hero talents.
Blizzard just want to collect data about which concepts are more desirable by players. Which is understandable after Evoker mixed reactions.

[Teriz]

Yep, some options from survey are definatelly not classes, but specs or hero talents.
Blizzard just want to collect data about which concepts are more desirable by players. Which is understandable after Evoker mixed reactions.

I really hope that isn’t the case. The issue (from a very loud minority) with Evokers wasn’t the concept, but the cosmetics.

[Enrif]

What if they're 4th specs? Some of these certainly seem that way.

Spellbreaker > Demon Hunter
Warden > Hunter
Leyweaver >Monk
Astrologian > Mage
Gunslinger > Rogue
Witch > Shaman
Prismatic > Evoker
Lancer> Warrior
Necromancer > Death Knight
etc.

Spell Breaker for demon hunter would be a thematic catastrophe, no one would want that.

Leyweaver would fit more with mage, and astrologian fit more with priest, necromancer with warlock, if they would fit any of the classes.

Warden for hunter as a 4th spec, i could actually see that, as a pet-less alternative for a melee hunter, could even be a tank spec

[Teriz]

Spell Breaker for demon hunter would be a thematic catastrophe, no one would want that.

Demon Hunters in BT had spellbreaker abilities, and the concept has long had an anti-magic theme (Mana Burn, Mana Break), so it tracks thematically. It would make sense for Blood Elf demon hunters to integrate Spellbreaker into the DH class.

Leyweaver would fit more with mage, and astrologian fit more with priest, necromancer with warlock, if they would fit any of the classes.

I have a feeling that Blizzard is going to dip a little into Runemaster for the Monk class, since Runemasters in Warcraft have always had a monk leaning. Leylines are an integral part of the Runemaster concept. In addition, abilities like Jadefire Stomp definitely has the feel of a Leyline ability.

Astrologian is definitely more Mage based, since Mages have abilities like Comet, Supernova, and Meteor. Also the Astromancers in Legion were definitely Mage-based.

Necromancer is definitely DK. DK already has the abilities in place, and its the Scourge class. Warlocks are demonic, not undead.

[SkyTides]

At least there should be more story soon with the patch this week. Orwenya's questline might be interesting, I expect some big reveals there to set up the rest of TWW.

Yep I'm looking forward to Orwenya's quest the most in this patch, feels like a long time since we got some continuation of the main story. Hopefully there'll be more info on the 'giant crystal' too, I don't see how it can just be calcified azerite when its so clearly Naru related

[Enrif]

Demon Hunters in BT had spellbreaker abilities, and the concept has long had an anti-magic theme (Mana Burn, Mana Break), so it tracks thematically. It would make sense for Blood Elf demon hunters to integrate Spellbreaker into the DH class.

Demon Hunters don't have armor that matches spell breakerr and can't use shields. Thus they are not spell breakers, even if they have anti magic abilities

I have a feeling that Blizzard is going to dip a little into Runemaster for the Monk class, since Runemasters in Warcraft have always had a monk leaning. Leylines are an integral part of the Runemaster concept. In addition, abilities like Jadefire Stomp definitely has the feel of a Leyline ability.

Astrologian is definitely more Mage based, since Mages have abilities like Comet, Supernova, and Meteor. Also the Astromancers in Legion were definitely Mage-based.

Necromancer is definitely DK. DK already has the abilities in place, and its the Scourge class. Warlocks are demonic, not undead.

Monks and runemasters have no overlap, only in that they are using fists to fight. Runemasters are arcane magic users, while monks are using spirit. And the way leyweaver reads, it would be a support spec for mages, which would be great.

Astrologian is in between void priests and mage, and would rather be its own class, than a spec, same for necromancer. They have themes of other classes, but they don't fit the identity of them. Necromancers are not death knights, its just that unholy death knights have some necromancy

[Alanar]

Great it turned into another nuh-uh this class is better-threads with endless back and forth without nobody budging in. Can't wait for another 20 pages of this nonsense.
I know this is a future speculation thread but this always bucks the live out of the thread, with 5 posters arguing endlessly.

To much people pretending to be devs and know it all, sucks all energy out of the room tbh.

[Teriz]

Demon Hunters don't have armor that matches spell breakerr and can't use shields. Thus they are not spell breakers, even if they have anti magic abilities

Hunters can't dual wield, yet they still got Rexxar's abilities and hero talent tree.

Monks and runemasters have no overlap, only in that they are using fists to fight. Runemasters are arcane magic users, while monks are using spirit. And the way leyweaver reads, it would be a support spec for mages, which would be great.

The problem with this theory is that Astrologian already sounds like the Mage 4th spec, and again Runemasters were always a monk-style class. I suppose we'll see.

Astrologian is in between void priests and mage, and would rather be its own class, than a spec, same for necromancer. They have themes of other classes, but they don't fit the identity of them. Necromancers are not death knights, its just that unholy death knights have some necromancy

Astrologian is too close to multiple existing classes to be its own class. Not only does it run up against Mages, it also runs up against Balance druids. It makes sense for it to be a spec for Mages because Mages have space stuff in their base talents, and Balance already covers this thematic. Priest base talents have nothing to do with any of this, and we only encounter cosmic stuff when we get to Voidweaver, a hero talent tree.

As for DKs, no, Frost is based on Lichs, and Blood is based on Vampires. Both are undead concepts related to Necromancy.

[Enrif]

As for DKs, no, Frost is based on Lichs, and Blood is based on Vampires. Both are undead concepts related to Necromancy.

if you can't understand the difference between a necromancer and a death knight, it is a lost cause to discuss that with you. again.

[Teriz]

if you can't understand the difference between a necromancer and a death knight, it is a lost cause to discuss that with you. again.

By all means, explain the difference.

[Alanar]

if you can't understand the difference between a necromancer and a death knight, it is a lost cause to discuss that with you. again.

Since sl all these types fall under the same category. You are talking about the necromancers who we have seen all around in the game and not the all defining word for undead magics.

Still, I would argue there isnt much we are missing from the necromancers that isnt already in dks. What people realistically want is an undead version of demon warlocks., which goes back to the whole forum idea class skins. I think we are past that.

[Enrif]

Since sl all these types fall under the same category. You are talking about the necromancers who we have seen all around in the game and not the all defining word for undead magics.

Still, I would argue there isnt much we are missing from the necromancers that isnt already in dks. What people realistically want is an undead version of demon warlocks., which goes back to the whole forum idea class skins. I think we are past that.

yes, a Necromancer class isn't just a person that uses necromancy. A Necromancer is a whole theme and vibe. And yes, Warlocks are very very close to that, and a pallet swap and class skin would do that more than sufficient in one interpretation of what a necromancer should be. The thing is, necromancers could be more than just "raise dead" the class. We have seen in Diablo how a necromancer can be visualized. Warcraft has its own styles, and while we have a few transmogs for it, the gameplay isn't there. As a DK you are still a warrior first and foremost, and as a warlock you throw fire and demons around. You would need to mix those two to have a Necromancer. And even than, is the question if it really covers the whole necromancer identity and fantasy.

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By all means, explain the difference.

i will not explain it to you here, as this is the wrong threat for it. Feel free to ask about that in the correct threat or make your own.

[huth]

Astrologian is in between void priests and mage, and would rather be its own class, than a spec, same for necromancer. They have themes of other classes, but they don't fit the identity of them. Necromancers are not death knights, its just that unholy death knights have some necromancy

Astrologian is literally Balance Druid the way it is described.

[Enrif]

Astrologian is literally Balance Druid the way it is described.

gravitational fields and meteors?

[huth]

gravitational fields and meteors?

I can throw the moon at you if you want.

[Teriz]

yes, a Necromancer class isn't just a person that uses necromancy. A Necromancer is a whole theme and vibe. And yes, Warlocks are very very close to that, and a pallet swap and class skin would do that more than sufficient in one interpretation of what a necromancer should be. The thing is, necromancers could be more than just "raise dead" the class. We have seen in Diablo how a necromancer can be visualized. Warcraft has its own styles, and while we have a few transmogs for it, the gameplay isn't there. As a DK you are still a warrior first and foremost, and as a warlock you throw fire and demons around. You would need to mix those two to have a Necromancer. And even than, is the question if it really covers the whole necromancer identity and fantasy.

All they have to do is make a ranged version of UH that summons more minions. Honestly, it doesn't even need to be a spec, it can be a hero talent tree.