The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Why do you think he's racist? What bothers him is not the skin color itself, but whether it's adding a new titan by only filling quotas.

Which is an assumption you make when you have a problem with the skin color itself.

Honestly I don't care a bit because it's definitely not canon but I understand what he means. You should consider avoiding shouting racism as soon as someone expresses their displeasure. You don't know the reasons or motivations.

For the term "negro", it just means black in Spanish. It's like in French, some don't want to say "noir" for fear of being treated as racist so they use the term "black" which means exactly the same thing. Let's call a spade, a spade please.

Except he wasn't speaking Spanish, he was speaking English. In English speaking countries and places that term is offensive. Please stop using it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You're right but the thing is that the evil centaurs are distinct from the civilised ones and there is no reason provided to why they are warmongering. They're just presented as ambitious and without respect for anything... evil

So Baine is making peace with other hippies, which boils down to Baine got racist and realized that "when we put aside our differences we see we are kind of the same"

Calling them hippies is just very lame and yeah Baine realizing these Centuar aren't like the ones he is used to and he was a bit focused on hatred. Its a very common story. There's no problem here.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're right but the thing is that the evil centaurs are distinct from the civilised ones and there is no reason provided to why they are warmongering. They're just presented as ambitious and without respect for anything... evil

So Baine is making peace with other hippies, which boils down to Baine got racist and realized that "when we put aside our differences we see we are kind of the same"

And that’s the same for the dragon maw to no? They did bad stuff and then put that aside to join the “good” horde in cata and then are presented as just evil under garrosh again in mop while every one including the alliance put aside there differences and makes peace with the hippie orcs. And as you pointed out they already did the same with the dwarfs

Blizzards m.o hasn’t changed at all in regards to this stuff.

[Berkilak]

Are you telling me that calling a black a black is offensive?

Using the phrase “a black” is absolutely racist, yes.

[Aucald]

It should go without saying that discussing real-world race is not a permitted topic in this or any other thread. Stop engaging with obvious bait and let's refocus the discussion back toward 10.X patches and future expansion speculation as opposed to real-world sociopolitics

[Kiivar86]

Hopefully the description will explain, but anyone have any theories as to why its called a Grotto Netherdrake? I remember when the name first was found in files there were theories it was related to the Dream but that doesn't seem the case to me.

[rainhard]

Ok who is amitus and how do we know it

[Skildar]

Calling them hippies is just very lame and yeah Baine realizing these Centuar aren't like the ones he is used to and he was a bit focused on hatred. Its a very common story. There's no problem here.

I guess it's lame if you don't know what the hippy movement is about

[Raetary]

I do have a personal question though, do y'all think Amitus will be in the WoW Canon anytime soon? Or will she be HS exclusive?

Is that actually her name?
Where did you get the info from?

And yes, she will undoubtedly appear whenever the wow team decides to expand the Pantheon.
It'd be moronic not to, when the character and her art is readily available for them to use.

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New titan aside, i'm more interested in a potential Azeroth art reveal.

I really wonder if they finally created a design for her.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'd go with the very blue teal skinned if Azeroth is conceptulized Based on..fanart that I can't seem to remember where.

I guess it's lame if you don't know what the hippy movement is about

I'm well aware, I'm just not gonna act like being slightly peaceful or moral somehow is "hippy"

[Skildar]

And that’s the same for the dragon maw to no? They did bad stuff and then put that aside to join the “good” horde in cata and then are presented as just evil under garrosh again in mop while every one including the alliance put aside there differences and makes peace with the hippie orcs. And as you pointed out they already did the same with the dwarfs

Blizzards m.o hasn’t changed at all in regards to this stuff.

You're right most of the stuff that has been told is about how to reach peace by removing toxic leadership and forgetting past aggressions. But the incessant peace talkabout friendship and respect has become unbearable this expansion. The lack of struggle and the easy willingness to take everything on yourself to better the world from every npc removes any engagement I could have for these characters.

If you take Suramar, it's broadly the same story take down Elisande, remove legion presence, hug. But there was a struggle to move forward and the reason why we supported them was because it was them at the frontline for our assault against the legion. During the quests you had moments that relied on the bad sides of humanity. Some npc wanted to receive a bribe in order to help, some others needed you to league people against each other, etc.

I understand that you can't get into conflict as deeply as it was made for suramar every time. But it hasn't been done once since then, not even half of what suramar did (except maybe for the alliance assault on dazar alor preparation questlines) and instead they went full force on dialogues and quests that focus on we have to take it on ourself to help people and be nice to save and make a leap of faith, etc...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The lack of struggle and the easy willingness to take everything on yourself to better the world from every npc removes any engagement I could have for these characters.

Thats really just wow in a nut shell, Suamar is really a stand out with Mabye no zone or quest line being on par with it or even coming close.

[Khaza-R]

So is this the first confirmation we have that Azeroth is indeed a titan and not a First One?



I guess its also confirmation we will see Azeroth's first non-canon appearance. As well as one more original hearthstone titan.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

"Mason sets the stage: “Set in the distant past, Titans lets us see Ulduar at the beginning of civilization itself. The Titans are these massive God-like beings who have been traveling the cosmos, seeding the foundations of life, and in this set we get to see them when they’re hard at work.” Narratively, this is a major step for Hearthstone, tackling what is effectively the origin story of life in the World of Warcraft universe, and doing so in a manner that seems fairly serious at first glance, especially compared with the musical mayhem of Festival of Legends."

Ohhh...they've got like the most basic understanding of the Titans down...ahhhh...yikes...

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I say this cause Life did not originate by the Titans. Tho, I imagine they wanted to say it as in "Oh yeah, the Titans forged much of life across the beyond" which I guess is true.

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So why is one of Norgannon's abilities called "Progenitor's Power"? The Titans aren't the First Ones, unless it simply means "progenitor" as in progenitor for much of Azeroth and its living organisms? Or does it mean Norgannon is wielding powers of the First Ones?

God id kill for this hearth stone expan being the first step in blizzard company wide throwing the first ones in the bin and going back to how it was when the titans were the top dogs.

[Shadowferal]

God id kill for this hearth stone expan being the first step in blizzard company wide throwing the first ones in the bin and going back to how it was when the titans were the top dogs.

It would neatly carve out SL...which most don't care to remember anyway.

[Santandame]

And much of Dragonflight...

Why much of Dragonflight? The First Ones haven’t even been mentioned.

[Khaza-R]

God id kill for this hearth stone expan being the first step in blizzard company wide throwing the first ones in the bin and going back to how it was when the titans were the top dogs.

I think that's unlikely but the press kit does refer to them as "The Gods of Warcraft". Which is interesting at least.

We've known this since Chronicle. Hell, Azeroth being called a World Soul was a thing in SL also.

Well hopefully at least it will put an end to such riveting fan theories like "Azeroth = A Zereth"

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Who the hell even thought Azeroth was a First One? I imagine you don't know the lore to say such nonsense. You are the same ones who said Jaina was a nathrezim lol.

To be fair, the theory wasn't that Azeroth was a First One, but that she might be a Titan powerful enough to become a First One.

I mean people are free to want to forget the SL worldbuilding, but don't be surprised when it obviously shows up again.

[Khaza-R]

I thought the whole idea Azeroth was a first one came from the First One waystones reacting to the player. Which in turn the devs said was because of the player's connection to Azeroth's world-soul.

Obviously that plot point never got explored but I can see why some people ran with it.

[huth]

So why is one of Norgannon's abilities called "Progenitor's Power"? The Titans aren't the First Ones, unless it simply means "progenitor" as in progenitor for much of Azeroth and its living organisms? Or does it mean Norgannon is wielding powers of the First Ones?

Obviously. The Titans are progenitors. The word just means "ancestor".