The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

"But I doubt a location that is too ethereal and Light/Void inspired would feel very interesting."

Idk about you, but I would be all for that magical, extremely high fantasy aesthetic! The Realm of Light could be full of crystal palaces, multi-colored biomes, luminous skies and geometrical patterns, etc. While the Realm of Shadow (Or should I say the Void) would be full of Lovecraftian stuff and whatnot.

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I still believe the "true lore" of the Shadowlands is that the Titans somehow intervened through time, as it far too sanitized and orderly (and cyclical) for what should've been an innate realm of death and decay.

Well the true answer is that Chronicle didn't know the full extent of the Shadowlands. Simple as that. The mortal documenting it only knew the Shadowlands based off the descriptions of the Veil, as well as how Death Knights and co wielded death magics on Azeroth.

Also, it's orderly cause it was made with structure in mind. Zereth Mortis confirms this. Beyond said basic structure, there's nothing "Titan-based" about the Shadowlands.

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And even if you WANTED to argue there was Titan influence there, you can just say that Death and Order worked together a bit. There's a ton of evidence backing that up, with the Primus' memories specifically.

[Worldshaper]

"Even if Light and Void are supposed to only truly exist outside of the physical universe."

All 6 Cosmic Realms exist outside of the physical universe, and the true magics of the forces are only properly shown within these realms. This is the case for Death, so forces like Light and Shadow should work similarly.

Not according to Chronicles. It says Order and Disorder are physical realms forces.

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Well, it's the afterlife. It's an eternity of either peace or pain for mortals when they die, depending on how they live their life (Heck, a lot of these afterlives can be temporary, if in case the soul has either served their sentence and thus can be part of a better afterlife, or if in case they want to switch afterlives VIA because they feel like it, or if in case they fulfill their duties and want to be with their loved ones or so).

Idk why you think it's a "purgatory" or anything like that. That'd be like saying Heaven and Hell are purgatory realms, when they're very much not. If anything is a purgatory, it's the veil between the realm of the living and the realm of Death.

I say purgatory, because the Shadowlands just seems like it's a place of sorting souls around before sending them on to the next place. Nothing seems really final anywhere. It's like you're initially sent to a realm by the Arbiter because your soul needs to deal with some specifics depending on the life you lived, and then (however many aeons it takes) you move on to the next phase, whether it means you return to life or sort of cease to exist.

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"But I doubt a location that is too ethereal and Light/Void inspired would feel very interesting."

Idk about you, but I would be all for that magical, extremely high fantasy aesthetic! The Realm of Light could be full of crystal palaces, multi-colored biomes, luminous skies and geometrical patterns, etc. While the Realm of Shadow (Or should I say the Void) would be full of Lovecraftian stuff and whatnot.

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Well the true answer is that Chronicle didn't know the full extent of the Shadowlands. Simple as that. The mortal documenting it only knew the Shadowlands based off the descriptions of the Veil, as well as how Death Knights and co wielded death magics on Azeroth.

Also, it's orderly cause it was made with structure in mind. Zereth Mortis confirms this. Beyond said basic structure, there's nothing "Titan-based" about the Shadowlands.

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And even if you WANTED to argue there was Titan influence there, you can just say that Death and Order worked together a bit. There's a ton of evidence backing that up, with the Primus' memories specifically.

Your description the Light just sounds like Bastion, tbh. Which is fine, but it also kind of proves my point that it'll probably be a pretty physical place we end up going to. Not "true Light in its purest essence" or whatever.

[Kiivar86]

In regards to what my dream announcement would be, truth is, I don't know.

Housing could be neat. I didn't particularly care for it in my previous MMO that had it (Anarchy Online) but I was also much younger and not the sort for it then. Now, I could enjoy it.

Curious to see what it'll be.

[milkmustache]

I hate the feedback loop that dicussion of the cosmic realms, powers, etc often falls into.

Let's get back to speculation on Direct. Say they announce a Harronir playable race. How do we think they join us?

[Alanar]

I hate the feedback loop that dicussion of the cosmic realms, powers, etc often falls into.

Let's get back to speculation on Direct. Say they announce a Harronir playable race. How do we think they join us?

Fuck those, I hope they won't add them honestly.

[Dracullus]

Fuck those, I hope they won't add them honestly.

This is literally one of most obvious features of 11.1 or 11.0.5 if they want stretch it.

[Worldshaper]

I love the Haranir but they need way more options than what we've seen thus far. Ideally though, new hairstyles and faces for all races.

[Darkarath]

I hate the feedback loop that dicussion of the cosmic realms, powers, etc often falls into.

Let's get back to speculation on Direct. Say they announce a Harronir playable race. How do we think they join us?

Either in 11.1 or 11.1.5. Probably the usual alliance:

"Oh, we have been apart from the rest of the world for so long. It is time to join you to fight together, for Azeroth!!".

Regarding the Cosmic Planes, I never thought that a Shadowlands expansion was possible, sadly I was wrong. I have no interest in visiting those planes (Void, Light, Fel...) at all.

Little more than 3 hours to go!!

[Alanar]

This is literally one of most obvious features of 11.1 or 11.0.5 if they want stretch it.

and it still sucks.

I get that, they have been one of the races appear in the main trailer so sadly it's bound to happen. The problem is, they are just to random, to out of the blue next to all the other races we have who are still not playable. I simply don't care. It's the same with earthen, just a model being reused. Most people, including myself just want to see races who have been on their wishlists for years. Harronir are wannabe avatar nobodies and still need build up. We know a few things, but were all literally introduced IN tww. I am just being real honest about them here. I simply don't get what is exciting about them, like AT all. It sucks, because it will take some time before a next race is added. Drakthyr were also a huge miss for me, hate these geckos. I am a Ogre, Vrykul or Arrakoa kind of person.. for years. We keep getting these random ass races no one asked for, it's so weird to me.

Ideally I would like to see the return of two races being added, one per faction with a full package.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Fuck those, I hope they won't add them honestly.

Me too, im tired of this shit of adding completely new random races that in most situations resemble another yet elves race.

[Cheezits]

Personally I think there's a sizable chance we do get Ascended Nerubians as a race this expansion, regardless of dev comments, as we are missing a load of nerubian mounts in the files and they aren't included in the next patch. There is actually no finale for the Nerubians in 11.0.7 as far as I know.

For example, there are multiple of the worm mounts while we only have access to a single one. So could one of them be an AR mount?

[Joshuaj]

Not according to Chronicles. It says Order and Disorder are physical realms forces.

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I say purgatory, because the Shadowlands just seems like it's a place of sorting souls around before sending them on to the next place. Nothing seems really final anywhere. It's like you're initially sent to a realm by the Arbiter because your soul needs to deal with some specifics depending on the life you lived, and then (however many aeons it takes) you move on to the next phase, whether it means you return to life or sort of cease to exist.

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Your description the Light just sounds like Bastion, tbh. Which is fine, but it also kind of proves my point that it'll probably be a pretty physical place we end up going to. Not "true Light in its purest essence" or whatever.

Nothing in Chronicle says that Order and Disorder are physical realm forces. It just says that they hold sway over the governing systems in the universe, which is true for the most part.

Chronicle says that Light and Shadows clash led to Life, Death, Order, and Disorder taking shape in the universe, but that is likely an exaggeration the Chronicle writer read whilist studying Titan documentations or so.

[Alanar]

Me too, im tired of this shit of adding completely new random races that in most situations resemble another yet elves race.

Completely agree. We still have many unplayable races in wow, who actually have a history and people are familiar with. I am also tired of these random races, such as these Harronir or harranir, what ever don't care.

[Joshuaj]

Also, your description for the "Shadowlands" regarding the sortment of souls is legit just Oribos lol.

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As for the Light sounding like Bastion, no? Bastion doesn't have crystal palaces or multi-colored biomes (like a Red biome mixed with yellow, purple, green, etc).

[Kiivar86]

I'm mildly curious for Harronir but I'd like them to have different animations at the minimum.

[milkmustache]

Personally I think there's a sizable chance we do get Ascended Nerubians as a race this expansion, regardless of dev comments, as we are missing a load of nerubian mounts in the files and they aren't included in the next patch. There is actually no finale for the Nerubians in 11.0.7 as far as I know.

For example, there are multiple of the worm mounts while we only have access to a single one. So could one of them be an AR mount?

Which mounts are those? I've been skeptical on Ascended Nerubians as a race, but with more groundwork to establish them past being mind soldiers of Xala'tath, it's certainly possible.

Buuuuuut Harronir seem more likely. They're okay. I also wish it wasn't continuous new elf OC (I say this as a Nightborne main), but they haven't laid the groundwork for new races in a while. I think most likely old school race we'll be given is Ethereal and some form of forest troll, but I can't see either of those coming until 12.0 at the earliest.

[Alanar]

Personally I think there's a sizable chance we do get Ascended Nerubians as a race this expansion, regardless of dev comments, as we are missing a load of nerubian mounts in the files and they aren't included in the next patch. There is actually no finale for the Nerubians in 11.0.7 as far as I know.

For example, there are multiple of the worm mounts while we only have access to a single one. So could one of them be an AR mount?

These Ascended Nerubians are still kind of alien to us, they are also new in that sense. Still, I would say they are at least a bit more familiar, because of their name.

I would probably be indifferent to them being added, but I could see it sure.

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Buuuuuut Harronir seem more likely. They're okay. I also wish it wasn't continuous new elf OC (I say this as a Nightborne main), but they haven't laid the groundwork for new races in a while. I think most likely old school race we'll be given is Ethereal and some form of forest troll, but I can't see either of those coming until 12.0 at the earliest.

Would you rather see Blizz create a new race entirely, with no history and set them up being playable or return to the many unplaybale races we already have?

Just to make sure, were you coming from.

[xputurnameherex]

Personally I think there's a sizable chance we do get Ascended Nerubians as a race this expansion, regardless of dev comments, as we are missing a load of nerubian mounts in the files and they aren't included in the next patch. There is actually no finale for the Nerubians in 11.0.7 as far as I know.

For example, there are multiple of the worm mounts while we only have access to a single one. So could one of them be an AR mount?

Going from 10.0 alpha mounts, I dont think so, or at least we will still be missing a majority of them by the time TWW is over. We missed 3 slugs, several salamanders and hornstriders, 2 moose, and 2-3 of each of several 10.0 mount models.

[Darkarath]

I kind of agree with the sentiment of unnecessary races. I wish that WoW never added so many. They are detrimental to the game IMO.

I would have stopped with the addition of Draenei and Blood Elves. I give Dracthyr a pass for being their own class. A bigger focus in the customization options of existing races would have been preferable.

[Alanar]

to have different animations[/B] at the minimum.

I agree fully on new animations for any (new) race being added from now on tbh. It's one if not the most exciting thing in general and for many, why they choose to play one or not. Inb4 headache casting of the night elf male model. Especially casting and how a 2hand sword for example sit.